SarahBell Posted July 17, 2015 Share Posted July 17, 2015 I've seen lots of ads recently for bursarys for PGCE courses.So being inquisitive I had a look at the entry requirements:http://www2.mmu.ac.uk/study/postgraduate/taught/2015/12431/ All PGCE applicants will need to pass pre-entry Professional Skills Tests in Numeracy and Literacy. For further advice please see... Even the ones with degrees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waynezilla Posted July 17, 2015 Share Posted July 17, 2015 My wife is just finishing this very PGCE/Schools Direct with the MMU. She has a Degree and Masters and 10 years industrial experience and had to do the numeracy an literacy tests. Was pretty easy I think, though (even for her ). I guess it does prove your point that degrees are no longer considered a reflection of ones basic aptitude. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gigantic Purple Slug Posted July 17, 2015 Share Posted July 17, 2015 I think it's probably more of a reflection on the fact that it is easier to make everyone sit everything rather than faff around trying to figure out who should do what. For example, the maths degree has to sit the english test. And what degrees count as automatic maths or english pass ? Does computer science or elec eng class as a maths pass ? What about media studies as an english pass ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bossybabe Posted July 17, 2015 Share Posted July 17, 2015 Just because you have a maths degree doesn't mean you can do basic arithmetic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winkie Posted July 17, 2015 Share Posted July 17, 2015 I know a degree costalot....so not only can it be worthless it also can be a liability as well as an asset....... Not all good employers require degrees.....they interview well, then work at bringing out the best potential in their employees...win,win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrPin Posted July 17, 2015 Share Posted July 17, 2015 Just because you have a maths degree doesn't mean you can do basic arithmetic. Oh I can't add up, but I like patterns and music. Unfortunately I look like an accountant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GinAndPlatonic Posted July 17, 2015 Share Posted July 17, 2015 Degrees do not instill common sense either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sPinwheel Posted July 17, 2015 Share Posted July 17, 2015 Degrees do not instill common sense either.Good. Common sense is overrated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winkie Posted July 17, 2015 Share Posted July 17, 2015 Oh I can't add up, but I like patterns and music. Unfortunately I look like an accountant. https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=iq+pattern+test&client=firefox-beta&hs=K5V&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAWoVChMIh6S4rdfixgIVzOkUCh0FYQK4&biw=1360&bih=564 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrPin Posted July 17, 2015 Share Posted July 17, 2015 https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=iq+pattern+test&client=firefox-beta&hs=K5V&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAWoVChMIh6S4rdfixgIVzOkUCh0FYQK4&biw=1360&bih=564 Yes that's my sort of thinking. I am not an accountant, or a truck driver. Although everyone seems to be a truck driver here. Scania or Peterbilt for you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winkie Posted July 17, 2015 Share Posted July 17, 2015 Yes that's my sort of thinking. I am not an accountant, or a truck driver. Although everyone seems to be a truck driver here. Scania or Peterbilt for you? Have always been good at picture what comes next. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrPin Posted July 17, 2015 Share Posted July 17, 2015 Have always been good at picture what comes next. ! You don't wanna see that film. It's "unsuitable for children", and I wasn't in it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GinAndPlatonic Posted July 17, 2015 Share Posted July 17, 2015 I reckon a first class engineer with common sense, could run an economy far better than most economists that have never actually built anything except spread sheets and thesis within academia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knock out johnny Posted July 17, 2015 Share Posted July 17, 2015 I reckon a first class engineer with common sense, could run an economy far better than most economists that have never actually built anything except spread sheets and thesis within academia. The problem with economists is that they think they are scientists whereas they are actually historians Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bossybabe Posted July 17, 2015 Share Posted July 17, 2015 Oh I can't add up, but I like patterns and music. Unfortunately I look like an accountant. You sound like a medical doctor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrPin Posted July 17, 2015 Share Posted July 17, 2015 You sound like a medical doctor. I'm an engineer! Much better really as I don't want to look up smelly fannies! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest eight Posted July 17, 2015 Share Posted July 17, 2015 I'm an engineer! Much better really as I don't want to look up smelly fannies! I wonder if it's under S for smelly fannies, or F for Fannies, smelly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpectrumFX Posted July 17, 2015 Share Posted July 17, 2015 I reckon a first class engineer with common sense, could run an economy far better than most economists that have never actually built anything except spread sheets and thesis within academia. I reckon they'd just end up like the Germans. Lost in a delusion that it's a controllable system that they understand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrPin Posted July 18, 2015 Share Posted July 18, 2015 I wonder if it's under S for smelly fannies, or F for Fannies, smelly? That will be up to my receptionist, with amazingly large knockers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Bear Posted July 18, 2015 Share Posted July 18, 2015 The problem with economists is that they think they are scientists whereas they are actually historians Economics is to science what homeopathy is to medecine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The XYY Man Posted July 18, 2015 Share Posted July 18, 2015 That will be up to my receptionist, with amazingly large knockers! I always knew that Sooty avatar was fake Pinny - you are Mr Rumbold off 'Are You Being Served?' and there's no point denying it jug-lugs..! XYY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Si1 Posted July 18, 2015 Share Posted July 18, 2015 I reckon a first class engineer with common sense, could run an economy far better than most economists that have never actually built anything except spread sheets and thesis within academia. Isn't that the idea behind command and control economies? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
council dweller Posted July 18, 2015 Share Posted July 18, 2015 I failed my lorry driving test. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spyguy Posted July 18, 2015 Share Posted July 18, 2015 Isn't that the idea behind command and control economies? Hard to say. Most of C+C tend to be politcal scientists i.e. made up. Closest I can think of would be singapore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrPin Posted July 18, 2015 Share Posted July 18, 2015 I failed my lorry driving test. We can get a Romanian one for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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