Si1 Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 http://www.economist.com/blogs/buttonwood/2017/01/light-bulb-moment?fsrc=scn%2Ffb%2Fte%2Fbl%2Fed%2F The Economist magazine gets in a bit of a fuddle wondering why economic productivity growth is currently zero. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Si1 Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 1 hour ago, interestrateripoff said: BoE's Carney - curbing consumer lending would be 'big call' ... That's his f#cking job! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billybong Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 (edited) 2 hours ago, interestrateripoff said: Mark Carney Bank of England may raise forecast for UK economy Governor tells MPs Brexit vote fears have receded and that EU countries face greater risk than Britain Bank of England may raise forecast for UK economy Hilarious. Virtually every "forecast" he has made has been so wrong there can be no confidence that he's right this time - except maybe on some sort of stopped watch principle - an if at first you don't succeed ....principle. Maybe he's trying to blight good news by the latest forecast. If there ever is another referendum it'll be the best laugh ever to hear his "forecasts" then. How he stays in the job is just one of those great mysteries. Edited January 11, 2017 by billybong Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Si1 Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 15 minutes ago, billybong said: If there ever is another referendum it'll be the best laugh ever to hear his "forecasts" then. How he stays in the job is just one of those great mysteries. I think it's a poisoned chalice. Anyone who wants the boe governer job must be ruled out for stupidity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billybong Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 (edited) 2 hours ago, interestrateripoff said: BoE's Carney - curbing consumer lending would be 'big call' LONDON Bank of England Governor Mark Carney said it would be a "big call" for the central bank to rein in rapid growth in consumer lending, which picked up strongly last year and brought some echoes of the period before the global financial crisis. We can't stop people spending money they don't have... It's interesting that there are "echoes of the period before the global financial crisis" but he's still focusing on the the things that they focused on then - the things that didn't reveal the approaching crisis. It's not as if he's coming out with reports about investigating say hidden areas of possible banking fraud or other more hidden macro issues like those that led to the "unexpected" global financial crisis - and at this stage they are very likely to be developing in the background and becoming more obvious. Like the possible crisis became pretty obvious to those portrayed in the movie "The Big Short" - despite the central banks not noticing a thing. He/the BoE might as well not bother. Edited January 11, 2017 by billybong Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkmarket Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 22 minutes ago, Si1 said: I think it's a poisoned chalice. Anyone who wants the boe governer job must be ruled out for stupidity. The way he repeatedly undermined Haldane today suggests he's very aware of one person stupid enough, and spending more time thinking about keeping his poisoned chalice than any "big call" like, say, working towards financial stability. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zugzwang Posted January 12, 2017 Share Posted January 12, 2017 1 hour ago, Si1 said: http://www.economist.com/blogs/buttonwood/2017/01/light-bulb-moment?fsrc=scn%2Ffb%2Fte%2Fbl%2Fed%2F The Economist magazine gets in a bit of a fuddle wondering why economic productivity growth is currently zero. Highly productive = highly profitable. High risk/highly profitable activity only happens in the private sector... which is currently saturated with debt. Without demand there's little opportunity for growth. Keynesian debt production holds up employment and wages, which is good, but is inherently wasteful since there's no (market) mechanism for distinguishing sound investments from unsound ones. Finite budgets but an uncountable list of apparently worthy causes. As long as the public sector confines itself to marginally profitable (low risk) activities these losses will be modest and justifiable. Attempts to fund high margin activities with public money, however, are likely to multiply those losses uncontrollably. Which is why command economies don't work, and why the exponential run-up in sovereign debt post-GFC has done nothing for productivity growth. Now I know you know all this stuff already, but why the Economist doesn't is... bewildering. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nabby81 Posted January 12, 2017 Share Posted January 12, 2017 http://www.standard.co.uk/business/mitchell-feierstein-abolish-central-banks-and-slay-the-zombies-a3437736.html Good read Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemma Rose Posted January 12, 2017 Share Posted January 12, 2017 3 hours ago, Nabby81 said: http://www.standard.co.uk/business/mitchell-feierstein-abolish-central-banks-and-slay-the-zombies-a3437736.html Good read Nice article , surprised to see this given so much space in the Sandard . Being Wednesday normal service was soon resumed with Homes & property ramping it up . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Si1 Posted January 12, 2017 Share Posted January 12, 2017 5 hours ago, zugzwang said: . Now I know you know all this stuff already, but why the Economist doesn't is... bewildering. Occasionally economist staffers write personal pieces about the life of... an Economist staffer. The London HO based ones are all bought into the London property Ponzi. They have been subsumed by the body snatchers. They ARE the liberal establishment. They are ZIRP VIs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spyguy Posted January 12, 2017 Share Posted January 12, 2017 6 hours ago, zugzwang said: Highly productive = highly profitable. High risk/highly profitable activity only happens in the private sector... which is currently saturated with debt. Without demand there's little opportunity for growth. Keynesian debt production holds up employment and wages, which is good, but is inherently wasteful since there's no (market) mechanism for distinguishing sound investments from unsound ones. Finite budgets but an uncountable list of apparently worthy causes. As long as the public sector confines itself to marginally profitable (low risk) activities these losses will be modest and justifiable. Attempts to fund high margin activities with public money, however, are likely to multiply those losses uncontrollably. Which is why command economies don't work, and why the exponential run-up in sovereign debt post-GFC has done nothing for productivity growth. Now I know you know all this stuff already, but why the Economist doesn't is... bewildering. Buttonwood is good. The article is on the lack of productivity in global stats. He offers his opinion, hidden in the last paragraph: 'We know that a few companies are still producing substantial productivity gains but it may be that monetary policy, by keeping rates low, has stymied the forces of creative destruction; "zombie" companies have been kept alive, dragging down the productivity numbers. Whatever the reason, economic growth won't rebound until productivity perks up.' As far as the UK sepcific problems goes I'd suggest its combination of high house prices, high debt, dragiing most of EEer to work in subbed jobs, high public sector employment, high benefits stopping people working. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Si1 Posted January 12, 2017 Share Posted January 12, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, spyguy said: Buttonwood is good. The article is on the lack of productivity in global stats. He offers his opinion, hidden in the last paragraph: 'We know that a few companies are still producing substantial productivity gains but it may be that monetary policy, by keeping rates low, has stymied the forces of creative destruction; "zombie" companies have been kept alive, dragging down the productivity numbers. Whatever the reason, economic growth won't rebound until productivity perks up.' Yes and no The concluding statement "economic growth won't rebound until productivity perks up.'" is so obvious as to be facile Edited January 12, 2017 by Si1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spyguy Posted January 12, 2017 Share Posted January 12, 2017 1 hour ago, Si1 said: Yes and no The concluding statement "economic growth won't rebound until productivity perks up.'" is so obvious as to be facile You might think that but try getting that message through to a political body that thinks paying someone 1k/month to work 16h in a nail bar is productive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Si1 Posted January 12, 2017 Share Posted January 12, 2017 1 hour ago, spyguy said: You might think that but try getting that message through to a political body that thinks paying someone 1k/month to work 16h in a nail bar is productive. Fair point. Depressing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zugzwang Posted January 12, 2017 Share Posted January 12, 2017 50 minutes ago, spyguy said: You might think that but try getting that message through to a political body that thinks paying someone 1k/month to work 16h in a nail bar is productive. They're fixated with the idea that full employment is the route to recovery. Nope, it's the quality of employment that's paramount. Without that you're condemned to a Third World standard of living. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spyguy Posted January 12, 2017 Share Posted January 12, 2017 21 minutes ago, zugzwang said: They're fixated with the idea that full employment is the route to recovery. Nope, it's the quality of employment that's paramount. Without that you're condemned to a Third World standard of living. Or til we run out of money, paying people to dig a hole and fill it in. Bear in mind the Chancellor position has been held for the last ~20 years by a lunatic Scots , followed by a towel folder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonIsFallingDown Posted January 12, 2017 Share Posted January 12, 2017 On 1/10/2017 at 10:16 PM, Noallegiance said: You mean........ Surely not....... Less than 3 months after headlines proclaiming Carnage as the saviour of Britain he's going to get butt-fooked on live tellybox as scapegoat numero uno?! Quote This is also very embarrassing for the Financial Times which has of course lauded what it calls the UK's rock star central banker. Actually the Financial Times has had a dreadful run hasn't it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noallegiance Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 Less than 24 hours after the BoE claiming to MPs that a surge in private debt isn't much of an issue: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-38611148 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spyguy Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 14 minutes ago, Noallegiance said: Less than 24 hours after the BoE claiming to MPs that a surge in private debt isn't much of an issue: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-38611148 Strange that. Carnage goes on record earlier this week saying that Brexit is minor and the biggest problem is the level of debt in the UK. Few days later and a report comes out. Youd think he was getting first dibs on the reports .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spyguy Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 4 minutes ago, satch said: So minor that Carnage needed to cut interest rates and price tens of billions of pounds in a fit of pique or panic ..... I expect that now he sees this as a mistake and will raise interest rates and unwind the latest round of QE .................................. What's that sooty?? ...... Not a snowflake's chance in hell Well he wont. He'll be drinking Maple cocktails. The markets will Gilt yields are up quite a bit on the year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkmarket Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 1 hour ago, Noallegiance said: Less than 24 hours after the BoE claiming to MPs that a surge in private debt isn't much of an issue: Worth looking again at the idiotic non-response to that claim. If ever proof were needed of incompetence at the highest levels, it's right here: http://parliamentlive.tv/event/index/5727df3b-082b-4b56-9cfe-3edc6f352198?in=16:35:08 "Well... that's true." No, it isn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noallegiance Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 14 minutes ago, darkmarket said: Worth looking again at the idiotic non-response to that claim. If ever proof were needed of incompetence at the highest levels, it's right here: http://parliamentlive.tv/event/index/5727df3b-082b-4b56-9cfe-3edc6f352198?in=16:35:08 "Well... that's true." No, it isn't. I don't need to watch the link to know exactly the moment you mean. I think I yelled at my phone at that precise moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkmarket Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 26 minutes ago, Noallegiance said: I don't need to watch the link to know exactly the moment you mean. I think I yelled at my phone at that precise moment. I don't know if it's worse to be there but so clearly not up to the job or, like the vast majority of the Committee, just not to be there at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noallegiance Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 1 hour ago, darkmarket said: I don't know if it's worse to be there but so clearly not up to the job or, like the vast majority of the Committee, just not to be there at all. It can be realised from their occasional pally gufaws that they're not serious over what's being discussed. From my point of view, is extremely serious and this committee and attendees don't understand/don't give a turd about the gravity of the situation for the commoners. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkmarket Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 32 minutes ago, Noallegiance said: From my point of view, is extremely serious and this committee and attendees don't understand/don't give a turd about the gravity of the situation for the commoners. +1, well said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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