Godley Posted May 21, 2009 Share Posted May 21, 2009 I am a worrierBefore sept 2007 I worried that I would never be able to afford a house. From then till 2009 I worried that we might have systemic collapse This year I have been worried that HPC will not move fast enought for my purposes More recently I am starting to worry about systemic collapse and war again I am worried about my job I worry for my children. I have never, EVER, at any point worried that Zanulab will get back in again. THEY ARE DEAD FOR GENERATIONS!!! as long as people alive toaday can speak to their offspring and tell them what the LAbour Party REALLY is. and what it REALLY means, they will never be in power. We did in the 70's, but people have such short memories and start thinking it will be differant this time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Si1 Posted May 21, 2009 Share Posted May 21, 2009 The problem with this argument is that while things may not be good,in a years time they will almost certainly be better than they are now with a consequent firming of Labour support. what? are you Alistair Darling? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Godley Posted May 21, 2009 Share Posted May 21, 2009 The message seems to have been forgotton about the Tories already. Trying to jail Matrix Churchill directors when they knew they were innocent, unemployment "an acceptable price to pay" from Cameron's boss, privatising industries then getting cushy non exec jobs on the boards of the industries they'd privatised. Inflation and interest rates in double figures even after over 10 years in power.Give me a Labour recession (interest rates 0.5%, inflation 3%) over a Tory one any day. And you've always got Boris to show what Tories in power are like, no London buses running, a feat even the Blitz didn't manage. What a deluded fool you are. This Labour government inherited the economy in the best shape ever after having to suffer the pain of the previous 70's labour administration. Health, education etc '18 years of Tory mis-rule', the economy though a magic switch was flicked on in 1997!!! Your Labour recession which you feel is better than a Tory one, is perhaps the most damaging in British history. Of course right now you are not feeling it because this government is propping things up with debt, it is borrowing from our future to fund the unfundable today. The Tories will more than likely win the next election, make the difficult and real decisions necessary to put the country back on its feet and will leave idiots like you claiming 'this is what you get when you get the Tories'. No my friend, this is what you get when we have to undo Labour's mess. Labour has NEVER left the country in better economic shape, ever. I challenge you to prove otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingBingo Posted May 21, 2009 Share Posted May 21, 2009 What a deluded fool you are.This Labour government inherited the economy in the best shape ever after having to suffer the pain of the previous 70's labour administration. Health, education etc '18 years of Tory mis-rule', the economy though a magic switch was flicked on in 1997!!! Your Labour recession which you feel is better than a Tory one, is perhaps the most damaging in British history. Of course right now you are not feeling it because this government is propping things up with debt, it is borrowing from our future to fund the unfundable today. The Tories will more than likely win the next election, make the difficult and real decisions necessary to put the country back on its feet and will leave idiots like you claiming 'this is what you get when you get the Tories'. No my friend, this is what you get when we have to undo Labour's mess. Labour has NEVER left the country in better economic shape, ever. I challenge you to prove otherwise. Here Here !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thatcherschild Posted May 21, 2009 Share Posted May 21, 2009 The message seems to have been forgotton about the Tories already. Trying to jail Matrix Churchill directors when they knew they were innocent, unemployment "an acceptable price to pay" from Cameron's boss, privatising industries then getting cushy non exec jobs on the boards of the industries they'd privatised. Inflation and interest rates in double figures even after over 10 years in power.Give me a Labour recession (interest rates 0.5%, inflation 3%) over a Tory one any day. And you've always got Boris to show what Tories in power are like, no London buses running, a feat even the Blitz didn't manage. What complete Horlicks. People like you are the cause of the continuing degeneration of our great nation. Wake up, socialism doesn't work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomwatkins Posted May 21, 2009 Share Posted May 21, 2009 Here Here !! Here here again. Anybody born in the 50's like me can testify to Labour never ever working and I mean ever. 80's children are not qualified-sorry. Even my old Dad (an ardent Labour supporter) agree with McMillan-"you never had it so good". Until Thatcher we didn't again either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roadtoruin Posted May 21, 2009 Share Posted May 21, 2009 What a deluded fool you are.This Labour government inherited the economy in the best shape ever after having to suffer the pain of the previous 70's labour administration. You mean after having to weather the 90's property crash and recession which they had induced with their own Lawson boom and bust after p1ssing the north sea oil revenues against the wall, and selling off everything that wasn't nailed down to their supporters. And yes the economy in OK shape, but the infrastructure in absolute tatters. Seems like if you look after one you let the other go to hell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bagsos Posted May 21, 2009 Share Posted May 21, 2009 Will never happen, like most Tories I like Frank. Most on the Labour benches hate him. Not sure who else there is with sufficient gravitas to resonate with the people and who has sufficiently clean hands. All they need to do don't forget is avoid Canadian labour's meltdown. To ensure this they will need to put their personal grievances to one side for the good of the party. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forcryingoutloud Posted May 21, 2009 Share Posted May 21, 2009 I can't believe that anyone who can read and write could still conceivably 'believe' in either / any (delete as applicable) of the mainstream parties. Or have any faith that any high-ranking politician is driven by conviction, integrity, or a desire to serve the public. Or in fact have any faith in the so-called political process whatsoever. I am genuinely staggered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roman Abramovitch Posted May 21, 2009 Share Posted May 21, 2009 Tom Watson says that e-petitions help to guage public mood on things. BBC are having a little fun seeings as which petition is top of the list. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8060324.stm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunderbird 900 Posted May 21, 2009 Share Posted May 21, 2009 I wondered when Patprimer 74 would reappear. Amazing, Pat the Prat disappears in March just as another "Useful Idiot" Labour Troll, Andykn comes on board. Don't feed the Troll!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest AuntJess Posted May 21, 2009 Share Posted May 21, 2009 For many ( and rightly in my view) Brown has a lot to answer for in relation to our current economic situation, many I feel are hoping that the next election will see new labour voted out and a new lot come in who can perhaps tame the public sector spending beast and with it our futures.There is a real danger however that the current expenses scandal is going to play into browns hands..... without it the local elections and euro elections showing support rapidly leaving labour, coupled with another few months of malaise would surely have resulted in a new government come next May.... now however things are different and heres why. What I fear we will see in the forthcoming election is a resurgent Independent sector, and a resurgent small party sector both driven by the expenses scandal..... so the greens, BNP, UKIP and the libdems will all do well.... why becasue they are largely unaffected by the expnses scandal... equally a number of single independents will rise and take votes. The critical thing is I believe these votes will more likely to come from current or future tory voters than from Labour voters...... this could well leave labour least effected by all this and leave it with more of a chance of survival especially in some of the key marginals...... independents and smaller parties tend to draw more votes from tory or tory potential voters than they do from labour or labour potential voters.... Five more years of Brown... it could still yet happen, you have been warned. I'll dance stark naked in the grounds of Exeter Cathedral if he lasts till next June. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andykn Posted May 21, 2009 Share Posted May 21, 2009 What a deluded fool you are.This Labour government inherited the economy in the best shape ever after having to suffer the pain of the previous 70's labour administration. Health, education etc '18 years of Tory mis-rule', the economy though a magic switch was flicked on in 1997!!! Er, me deluded? Had I referred to '18 years of Tory mis-rule (sic)' I would have at least spelt misrule correctly. I have said, more than once on this very thread you appear to be struggling to follow, that the economy was in good shape in 1997, the point being that wasn't enough to stop New Labour being elected. You are clearly delusional where it comes to quoting me. Your Labour recession which you feel is better than a Tory one, is perhaps the most damaging in British history. Of course right now you are not feeling it because this government is propping things up with debt, it is borrowing from our future to fund the unfundable today. The Tories will more than likely win the next election, make the difficult and real decisions necessary to put the country back on its feet and will leave idiots like you claiming 'this is what you get when you get the Tories'. No my friend, this is what you get when we have to undo Labour's mess. Labour has NEVER left the country in better economic shape, ever. I challenge you to prove otherwise. Whether or not this recession will be worse remains to be seen. With low interest rates and low inflation it's certainly easier for me than the last one. Perhaps the Tories will do what they did last time and inflate thier way out of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andykn Posted May 21, 2009 Share Posted May 21, 2009 What complete Horlicks. People like you are the cause of the continuing degeneration of our great nation. Wake up, socialism doesn't work. Er, who mentioned socialism? And is it's opposite the Govt trying to jail those it know to be innocent? Or having an affair whilst preaching "family values"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andykn Posted May 21, 2009 Share Posted May 21, 2009 I wondered when Patprimer 74 would reappear. Amazing, Pat the Prat disappears in March just as another "Useful Idiot" Labour Troll, Andykn comes on board. Don't feed the Troll!!! Talented, not only an ad hominem attack showing you have no argument to offer, but wrong too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemb Posted May 22, 2009 Share Posted May 22, 2009 this government is NOT socialist, far from it . that is why the working class are turning to the bnp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Loblaw Posted May 22, 2009 Share Posted May 22, 2009 however disaffected people are, who is going to vote Labour? Salford City Council Irwell & Riverside ward 21st May 2009 Salford Council Irwell Riverside Matt MOLD (Labour Party) 606 Steven MIDDLETON (Liberal Democrats)293 Gary TUMULTY(British National Party) 276 Chris BATES (Conservative Party)189 Rob MITCHELL (Green Party) 125 Duran O’DWYER (UK Independence Party) 123 People still seem to have faith in Labour for some bizarre reason. This was in Hazel Blears constituency as well. An obvious clear mandate for her to get her nose stuck back in the trough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
profitofdoom Posted May 22, 2009 Share Posted May 22, 2009 Salford City Council Irwell & Riverside ward 21st May 2009 Salford Council Irwell Riverside Matt MOLD (Labour Party) 606 Steven MIDDLETON (Liberal Democrats)293 Gary TUMULTY(British National Party) 276 Chris BATES (Conservative Party)189 Rob MITCHELL (Green Party) 125 Duran O’DWYER (UK Independence Party) 123 People still seem to have faith in Labour for some bizarre reason. This was in Hazel Blears constituency as well. An obvious clear mandate for her to get her nose stuck back in the trough. Quite likely because moats and duck islands are in short supply in Lowry country.This illustrates my hung parliament argument. I reckon that 250 seats are virtually guaranteed to Labour then it's a matter of how many the Lib Dems and the various rag tags take but by my calculations Dave will be hard put to get a majority.Paradoxically I think this expenses hoo-hah has actually helped Labour and damaged the Tories because the two strongest threats UKIP,BNP are much more likely to take Tory votes and that is where the disaffected tend to go. There is a tendency on here for people to see anti Tory as Socialist.That isn't necessarily the case,Norman Tebbit sounds a bit anti Tory at the moment,possibly he resents the Lord Toffingham brigade currently ruling the roost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest anorthosite Posted August 25, 2009 Share Posted August 25, 2009 I'll dance stark naked in the grounds of Exeter Cathedral if he lasts till next June. I'm going to bump this post until the election. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oracle Posted August 25, 2009 Share Posted August 25, 2009 however disaffected people are, who is going to vote Labour? you have no idea how angry people are going to get when this really kicks off. There will not be another 5 years of brown,or blair,or mandelson etc. most people are now smart enough to realise that this is a deliberate attempt by these guys to pack the cage full of rats and stoke feudalism amongst the various ethnicities that reside on this island.They really are a bunch of viscious,wicked individuals....and when their justice comes,it will be meted out on them in like manner,of that I have no doubt. and it looks like the yanks are going to give scotland a taste of their own medicine.Bad move supporting magrahi and gaddaffi.....it will be repaid. Independence will be a nice strip of farmland to croft on.I wouldn't be counting on people to buy the goods,they're going to have enough trouble feeding themselves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest anorthosite Posted August 25, 2009 Share Posted August 25, 2009 you have no idea how angry people are going to get when this really kicks off.There will not be another 5 years of brown,or blair,or mandelson etc. most people are now smart enough to realise that this is a deliberate attempt by these guys to pack the cage full of rats and stoke feudalism amongst the various ethnicities that reside on this island.They really are a bunch of viscious,wicked individuals....and when their justice comes,it will be meted out on them in like manner,of that I have no doubt. and it looks like the yanks are going to give scotland a taste of their own medicine.Bad move supporting magrahi and gaddaffi.....it will be repaid. Independence will be a nice strip of farmland to croft on.I wouldn't be counting on people to buy the goods,they're going to have enough trouble feeding themselves This thread is months old, its now about Aunt Jess dancing stark naked in the grounds of Exeter Cathedral. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
codeine Posted August 25, 2009 Share Posted August 25, 2009 Something I'd rather go without seeing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest anorthosite Posted August 25, 2009 Share Posted August 25, 2009 Something I'd rather go without seeing I wonder if she'll let me take pictures? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wario Posted August 25, 2009 Share Posted August 25, 2009 I wonder if she'll let me take pictures? Only if you promise not to become a wicked, viscous individual over them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest anorthosite Posted August 27, 2009 Share Posted August 27, 2009 Only if you promise not to become a wicked, viscous individual over them. I'd make them very tasteful & arty, I promise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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