wayoutwest Posted December 10, 2008 Share Posted December 10, 2008 Mark Mardell's report on Monday about German fiscal responsibility. http://news.bbc.co.uk/today/hi/today/newsi...000/7770541.stm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Masked Tulip Posted December 10, 2008 Share Posted December 10, 2008 Well said. I think he is the equivalent of the little boy who shouted "Look at the King! Look at the King! The King is in the all-together...! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BXLONDONMAN Posted December 10, 2008 Share Posted December 10, 2008 How dare they. GB saved the world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sikejsudjek Posted December 10, 2008 Share Posted December 10, 2008 (edited) Look matey the only thing wrong with our Gordon is that due to his failing eye sight he can't see a minus sign before all the figures ! Absolutely bloody wonderful that at last someone has stood up to the insane debt maniac at the helm. The German finance minister is now the official opposition. He's doing a better job than Osborne... Edited December 10, 2008 by sikejsudjek Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shedfish Posted December 10, 2008 Share Posted December 10, 2008 Well it was funny, but anyway your cheque's in the post (or your Czech is in the post, depending on how you'd like to be remunerated). more importantly for Vlad the Impaler, the post's in the Czech... Terrorist. Just wait till he sets foot in the UK. They will have him in Paddington Green before his feet touch the ground. yeh, boasting he's saved the world. deluded Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinker Posted December 10, 2008 Share Posted December 10, 2008 Can you imagine Britain in the Euro with Brown's ongoing profligate and maniacal tendencies and the Germans just accepting it? One of the reason I don't feel Britain can go into the Euro - the country is a basket case economy. See this in the Spectator: True Extent of Britain's Debt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jadoube Posted December 10, 2008 Share Posted December 10, 2008 Well said. I think he is the equivalent of the little boy who shouted "Look at the King! Look at the King! The King is in the all-together...! +1 to the posts commenting on the man's accurate assesment. A slightly different question. Why are the Germans saying it? Why say it now? Why are they not saying the same about any of the countries mimicing the UK- of which there appear to be a few. After all governments don't say things just because they're correct. (To prove this to yourself try the phrase "Brown says things because they are correct".) In other words what's in it for the Germans to specifically go after the UK/Brown? Is he attacking only Brown because Brown really does "lead the world" on this? Do they just want to get back at the English for 1966? Are they afraid they will have to pick up the bill - and could end up owning the UK? Do they want to keep us out of the euro and are worried Brown wants to join? Is it for domestic purposes - does he fear the German public want to copy the Brown agenda? Lots of posts saying he's right he's right. But whats his motive? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0q0 Posted December 10, 2008 Share Posted December 10, 2008 Look matey the only thing wrong with our Gordon is that due to his failing eye sight he can't see a minus sign before all the figures ! Absolutely bloody wonderful that at last someone has stood up to the insane debt maniac at the helm. The German finance minister is now the official opposition. He's doing a better job than Osborne... You can say that again. Osborne & Cameron et al need to find their courage (polite version of what I was going to say) and get Labour out - call an election now - get a motion signed, whatever it takes. Cameron - you should be getting on with the job, as HMO. Clegg ditto. Jadoube, mostly because they can foresee picking up the bill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prognosis Posted December 10, 2008 Share Posted December 10, 2008 (edited) I was born in Dusseldorf, and that is why they call me Peer ... or was it Rolf Sorry but German supremacy on these matters is absolute rubbish. A satire perhaps LEAD TENOR STORMTROOPER: And now it's... Springtime for Angela and Germany Deutschland is happy and gay! We're marching to a faster pace Look out, here comes the finance race! Springtime for Angela and Germany Rhineland's a fine land once more! Springtime for Angela and Germany Watch out, Europe We're going on tour! Springtime for Angela and Germany... CHORUS: Look, it's springtime LEAD TENOR STORMTROOPER: Winter for Poland and France CHORUS AND STORMTROOPER: Springtime for Angela and Germany! CHORUS: Springtime! Springtime! Springtime! Springtime! Springtime! Springtime! Springtime! Springtime! STORMTROOPER: Come on, Germans Go into your dance! STORMTROOPER "PEER": I was born in Dusseldorf und that is why they call me PEER. STORMTROOPER "MEL": Don't be stupid, be a smarty, come and join the German party! ULLA: The chancellor is coming, the chancellor is coming, the chnacelor is coming! STORMTROOPER #1: Heil Angela! STORMTROOPER #2: Heil Angela! LEAD TENOR STORMTROOPER: Heil Angela! Springtime for Angela and Germany ALL: Heil Angela! ROGER: Heil myself Heil to me I'm the one Who's out to change our history Heil myself Raise your hand There's no greater Dictator in the land! Everything I do, I do for you! CHORUS: Yes, you do! ROGER: If you're looking for a more , here's a Keynesian frenzy! Heil myself Raise your beer CHORUS: Jawohl! ROGER: Ev'ry hotsy-totsy German stand and cheer CHORUS: Hooray! Ev'ry hotsy-totsy German... ROGER: Heil myself! CHORUS: Ev'ry hotsy-totsy German... ROGER: Heil myself! CHORUS: Ev'ry hotsy-totsy German... ROGER: ...stand and cheer! THE HEIL-LOs: The Finance minister is causing a furor! He's got those Russians on the run You gotta love that wacky pun! The Finace minister is causing a furor They can't say "no" to his demands They're freaking out in foreign lands He's got the whole world in his hands The finance minister is causing a furor! ROGER: I was just a paper hanger No one more obscurer Got a phone call from the Reichbank Told me I was Finance minister Germany was blue What, oh, what to do? Hitched up my pants And conquered Europe Now Deutschland's smiling through! But it wasn't always so easy... It was 2001. Hindenburg was working the Big Room and I... I was playing the lounge. And then I got my big break. Somebody blew the CDOs'. And, would you believe it? They made me Chancellor. Chancellor! It ain't no myst'ry If it's politics or hist'ry The thing you gotta know is Ev'rything is show biz Heil myself Watch my show I'm the German Peer Steinbruck Dontcha know We are crossing borders The new world order is here Make a great big smile Ev'ryone sieg heil to me Wonderful me! And now it's... CHORUS: Springtime for Angela and Germany Goose-step's the new step today ROGER: Springtime! Goose-steps! CHORUS MEN: Money is falling from the skies again CHORUS: Deutschland is on the rise again ROGER & CHORUS: Springtime for Angela and Germany Bail outs are failing once more Springtime for Angela and Germany ROGER: Means that... CHORUS: Soon we'll be going... ROGER: We've got to be going... CHORUS: You know we'll be going.... ROGER: You bet we'll be going... ROGER & CHORUS: You know we'll be going to win!! edit add to the tune http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGp0hCxSg98 Edited December 10, 2008 by prognosis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jadoube Posted December 10, 2008 Share Posted December 10, 2008 (edited) You can say that again. Osborne & Cameron et al need to find their courage (polite version of what I was going to say) and get Labour out - call an election now - get a motion signed, whatever it takes. Cameron - you should be getting on with the job, as HMO. Clegg ditto.Jadoube, mostly because they can foresee picking up the bill. Oh well, if the Germans are going to have to pay for it instead of us..... Edit : Sorry, silly thought. Edited December 10, 2008 by Jadoube Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brassed off brit Posted December 10, 2008 Share Posted December 10, 2008 I was born in Dusseldorf, and that is why they call me Peer ... or was it Rolf Sorry but German supremacy on these matters is absolute rubbish. A satire perhaps LEAD TENOR STORMTROOPER: And now it's... Springtime for Angela and Germany Deutschland is happy and gay! We're marching to a faster pace Look out, here comes the finance race! Springtime for Angela and Germany Rhineland's a fine land once more! Springtime for Angela and Germany Watch out, Europe We're going on tour! Springtime for Angela and Germany... CHORUS: Look, it's springtime LEAD TENOR STORMTROOPER: Winter for Poland and France CHORUS AND STORMTROOPER: Springtime for Angela and Germany! CHORUS: Springtime! Springtime! Springtime! Springtime! Springtime! Springtime! Springtime! Springtime! STORMTROOPER: Come on, Germans Go into your dance! STORMTROOPER "PEER": I was born in Dusseldorf und that is why they call me PEER. STORMTROOPER "MEL": Don't be stupid, be a smarty, come and join the German party! ULLA: The chancellor is coming, the chancellor is coming, the chnacelor is coming! STORMTROOPER #1: Heil Angela! STORMTROOPER #2: Heil Angela! LEAD TENOR STORMTROOPER: Heil Angela! Springtime for Angela and Germany ALL: Heil Angela! ROGER: Heil myself Heil to me I'm the one Who's out to change our history Heil myself Raise your hand There's no greater Dictator in the land! Everything I do, I do for you! CHORUS: Yes, you do! ROGER: If you're looking for a more , here's a Keynesian frenzy! Heil myself Raise your beer CHORUS: Jawohl! ROGER: Ev'ry hotsy-totsy German stand and cheer CHORUS: Hooray! Ev'ry hotsy-totsy German... ROGER: Heil myself! CHORUS: Ev'ry hotsy-totsy German... ROGER: Heil myself! CHORUS: Ev'ry hotsy-totsy German... ROGER: ...stand and cheer! THE HEIL-LOs: The Finance minister is causing a furor! He's got those Russians on the run You gotta love that wacky pun! The Finace minister is causing a furor They can't say "no" to his demands They're freaking out in foreign lands He's got the whole world in his hands The finance minister is causing a furor! ROGER: I was just a paper hanger No one more obscurer Got a phone call from the Reichbank Told me I was Finance minister Germany was blue What, oh, what to do? Hitched up my pants And conquered Europe Now Deutschland's smiling through! But it wasn't always so easy... It was 2001. Hindenburg was working the Big Room and I... I was playing the lounge. And then I got my big break. Somebody blew the CDOs'. And, would you believe it? They made me Chancellor. Chancellor! It ain't no myst'ry If it's politics or hist'ry The thing you gotta know is Ev'rything is show biz Heil myself Watch my show I'm the German Peer Steinbruck Dontcha know We are crossing borders The new world order is here Make a great big smile Ev'ryone sieg heil to me Wonderful me! And now it's... CHORUS: Springtime for Angela and Germany Goose-step's the new step today ROGER: Springtime! Goose-steps! CHORUS MEN: Money is falling from the skies again CHORUS: Deutschland is on the rise again ROGER & CHORUS: Springtime for Angela and Germany Bail outs are failing once more Springtime for Angela and Germany ROGER: Means that... CHORUS: Soon we'll be going... ROGER: We've got to be going... CHORUS: You know we'll be going.... ROGER: You bet we'll be going... ROGER & CHORUS: You know we'll be going to win!! Catchy!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starcrossed Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 (edited) IMO the Germans are bitter because they prided themselves on avoiding the anglo-saxon debt-fest and now find themselves suffering because their export markets have dried up. Which is fair enough until you realise that Germany and therefore their export markets must have benefited from the anglo-saxon debt-fest in the first place. The whole world has been deluded for so long. Edited December 11, 2008 by Starcrossed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oracle Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 (edited) Look matey the only thing wrong with our Gordon is that due to his failing eye sight he can't see a minus sign before all the figures ! Outrageous!!! That is patently not true. Gordon created the "square deal"(very nu-labour title if I do say so myself!!) There is no need for anything to go negative. you just take the officcial MOM stats ans multiply the figure by itself. ..therfore any negative figures get nullified,and we still have growth. Edited December 11, 2008 by oracle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OverseasInterest Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 IMO the Germans are bitter because they prided themselves on avoiding the anglo-saxon debt-fest and now find themselves suffering because their export markets have dried up.Which is fair enough until you realise that Germany and therefore their export markets must have benefited from the anglo-saxon debt-fest in the first place. The whole world has been deluded for so long. No. It sounds like you are bitter. You know the 'debt-fest' is over in the 'Anglo-World', but you want to see others who were not part of its creation suffer more than the original sinners do. That is classless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the end is a bit nigher Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7776462.stm That's really bizarre 'cos one of the things Stalin said in pmq was that the whole of the western world was following him and the Tories were out of touch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The XYY Man Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 GERMANY rejects Gordon Brown...??? Bet they'd change their minds if he grew a "Chaplinesque" mustache... Gives me a chance to recycle the old Monty Python joke though. British Prime Minister Gordon Brown today became the recipient of the world's very first @rsehole transplant. Unfortunately, the @rsehole rejected him... Night all, from XYY land Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BXLONDONMAN Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 GERMANY rejects Gordon Brown...???Bet they'd change their minds if he grew a "Chaplinesque" mustache... Gives me a chance to recycle the old Monty Python joke though. British Prime Minister Gordon Brown today became the recipient of the world's very first @rsehole transplant. Unfortunately, the @rsehole rejected him... Night all, from XYY land Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yellerkat Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 The south coast is stuffed with German markets for Christmas - lots of bratwurst etc on sale. Saw a Currywurst stall on Sunday: I WANT ONE! - O NO you will eat with the out-laws - Bah - so I did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huw Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 (edited) +1 to the posts commenting on the man's accurate assesment.A slightly different question. Why are the Germans saying it? Why say it now? Why are they not saying the same about any of the countries mimicing the UK- of which there appear to be a few. After all governments don't say things just because they're correct. (To prove this to yourself try the phrase "Brown says things because they are correct".) In other words what's in it for the Germans to specifically go after the UK/Brown? Is he attacking only Brown because Brown really does "lead the world" on this? Do they just want to get back at the English for 1966? Are they afraid they will have to pick up the bill - and could end up owning the UK? Do they want to keep us out of the euro and are worried Brown wants to join? Is it for domestic purposes - does he fear the German public want to copy the Brown agenda? Lots of posts saying he's right he's right. But whats his motive? Excellent questions. Having been lectured by proponents of the Anglo-Saxon model for the past decade, there may be a natural desire among German politicians to go nyah nyah nyah (remember we are talking about the people who invented the term 'schadenfreude' ) There could well be an element of coded-warning to eurozone colleagues against profligacy ... to openly criticise an insider would be to admit that there are problems within the club. And I guess Brown is seen as a leader on this, whether or not anyone likes or accepts that. Not sure why they'd pick up the bill for us, so I can't see that as an issue. OTOH they probably hope we won't do more long-term damage to ourselves than absolutely necessary, both because we and they are members of the same club who get along reasonably well nowadays, and because they'd like us to be able to afford more BMWs one day. Edited December 11, 2008 by huw Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thod Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 Perhaps because most of the central bankers these days have been schooled in Keynesianism even though it doesn't work and never has. It fits well with labors ideas of big state spending. The US tried Keynesianism in the 1930s as a remedy to deflation and it didn't work, they only got out of it via WW2. Meanwhile the depression was short lived in the UK because the UK simply let things go bust. The Keynesian's shout that it does work, off course anyone is business is familiar with management lauding a failed project as a success and then quietly shelving in. The Japanese tried the same, inventing schemes to concrete over riverbeds etc, but its not useful work and thus creates no value. Production must proceed consumption, you cannot create consumption and expect the production to follow, all you get is more debt and debasement of currency. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
200p Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 But whats his motive? Sun Loungers? My hunch, We have been a great customer for Germany. If we blow ourselves out, we won't recover for the next boom to buy German products - German jobs are at stake. Germany produces, we consume. Germany needs us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
200p Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 To add, Take a look at the French - bad customers for Germany, they only buy French cars, and are debt adverse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yellerkat Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 Germany produces, we consume. Germany needs us. Up to a point, Lord Copper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
200p Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 OK not need us, like life or death then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huw Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 (edited) Another possible reason: they want the UK to adopt the euro eventually, trashing the pound and running up a huge deficit isn't in the spirit of the entry criteria Edited December 11, 2008 by huw Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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