Gorseinonboy Posted August 11, 2008 Share Posted August 11, 2008 When Kirstie Allsopp was accused recently of helping to create the current situation of over-priced houses and unduly increasing individuals' aspirations she replied in very robust terms: 'It's plain silly to point the finger at these programmes for puffing up the property market, forcing people into taking out massive mortgages or into negative equity. Blaming such shows and their presenters for the present uncertain state of the property market is akin to blaming TV chefs for the great bulge in obesity. Jamie Oliver, Hugh Fearnley-Whittingstall and the rest recommend healthy eating and responsible shopping - yet many people ignore their advice and binge recklessly. Likewise, I hope that I give sound advice rather than inveigling viewers into "get rich quick" schemes. 'In recent weeks I've been described as a "property porn queen" in the New Statesman, sniped at on the pages of The Guardian and lambasted by Panorama for excessively inflating house prices. 'I only wish that the show I present was as influential as some have been claiming. If it was, people might have taken notice of a campaign we have been running on Location, Location, Location, asking for a review of stamp duty, a tax that without doubt has contributed to the drop in the number of house sales. 'But it looks highly unlikely our pleas will be heeded. It is much easier to fire off flippant articles blaming property TV shows than properly examining why there has been a fall in transactions and - in some places, though not all - a fall in property prices. Some of the recent gloomy headlines make me suspect that all the journalists in the country have sold up and are doing everything in their power to cause a property house price crash so that they can buy at rock bottom.' In my view the incessant mantra of programmes such as "Location etc etc" to buy at any price, the declared message that property can only go up in price, has indeed contributed to the present malaise. Let's see what happens to these kinds of programmes over the next 12 months. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuckmojo Posted August 11, 2008 Share Posted August 11, 2008 bet she loved to be associated with the word "porn". It wouldn't have happened in any other context. Anyways, why isn't anyone interviewing her NOW and rubbing her snout in the dirt? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thecrashingisles Posted August 11, 2008 Share Posted August 11, 2008 Property Porn Queen, Has Kirstie Allsopp "puffed up" the property market? Her role in the market is more like fluffing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bug16 Posted August 11, 2008 Share Posted August 11, 2008 Kirsty, please just **** off. Thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1929crash Posted August 11, 2008 Share Posted August 11, 2008 Her role in the market is more like fluffing. Bl*w j*b! Bl*w j*b! Bl*w j*b! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonToManchester Posted August 11, 2008 Share Posted August 11, 2008 Is it just me but I actually think she has a point! Is it really her fault or the fault of people who took out 10 times there salary morgages at 125% LTV? To be honest I don't even blaim the banks.. THeres jsut to much of a pass the buck culture in this country! Take responsibilies for your actions and accept the consequences! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dances with sheeple Posted August 11, 2008 Share Posted August 11, 2008 She deliberately, whether she understood the fundamentals or not (I think she did), contributed to the "field of expert opinion" that houses were a one way bet. Any time I saw her show she was ranting on about how you must get in now, make decent offers bla bla bla. If she gets a slap or spat on in the supermarket she deserves it, however I don`t wish her any more harm than that because the sheeple are grown ups and need to get their little minds out of the Sun and Maddie and Diana and all the other cack, and wake up to the fact that they have been the subject of a massive social experiment. The problem for the sheeple with making Krusty a hate figure is that they will have to acknowledge their own contribution to the mess i.e rank stupidity, not an easy thing for even a sheep to acknowledge? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olivier Posted August 11, 2008 Share Posted August 11, 2008 Is it really her fault or the fault of people who took out 10 times there salary morgages at 125% LTV? To be honest I don't even blaim the banks.. She did not signed the mortgage application on behalf of those people but with her mantra of "buy, buy, buy, however stretched you are", she led them to think that they were normal... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lone_Twin Posted August 11, 2008 Share Posted August 11, 2008 Is it just me but I actually think she has a point!Is it really her fault or the fault of people who took out 10 times there salary morgages at 125% LTV? To be honest I don't even blaim the banks.. THeres jsut to much of a pass the buck culture in this country! Take responsibilies for your actions and accept the consequences! Taking this to an extreme example would you agree that if I obtain money from you via a confidence trick then it is purely your fault for falling for it / being gready enough to fall for it? . The law calls it obtaining money by deception. . Perhaps in the case of Krusty we could have obtaining money by delusion but its pretty similar. . ST Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sillybear2 Posted August 11, 2008 Share Posted August 11, 2008 That "Top 10 locations to buy" programme was pure PORN, giving you the areas where you'll be guaranteed to make money, lets face it, if they were doing the same for shares they'd be in prison by now http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4507448.stm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hankdd Posted August 11, 2008 Share Posted August 11, 2008 (edited) When Kirstie Allsopp was accused recently of helping to create the current situation of over-priced houses and unduly increasing individuals' aspirations she replied in very robust terms:'It's plain silly to point the finger at these programmes for puffing up the property market, forcing people into taking out massive mortgages or into negative equity. Blaming such shows and their presenters for the present uncertain state of the property market is akin to blaming TV chefs for the great bulge in obesity. Jamie Oliver, Hugh Fearnley-Whittingstall and the rest recommend healthy eating and responsible shopping - yet many people ignore their advice and binge recklessly. Likewise, I hope that I give sound advice rather than inveigling viewers into "get rich quick" schemes. Anthony Worrall Thompson certainly did not recommend healthy eating recently, he suggested adding Henbane to a recipe instead of Fat Hen. The former contains deadly toxic alkaloids, which can paralyze the central nervous system, the latter being a harmless weed with a spinach/cabbage like quality. So wrong again Kirsty., but do try Thompson's recipes they are delicious Edited August 11, 2008 by hankdd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moo Posted August 11, 2008 Share Posted August 11, 2008 Is it just me but I actually think she has a point!Is it really her fault or the fault of people who took out 10 times there salary morgages at 125% LTV? To be honest I don't even blaim the banks.. THeres jsut to much of a pass the buck culture in this country! Take responsibilies for your actions and accept the consequences! I certainly agree with the notion that the borrowers\buyers have to take a large chunk of the blame for the last few years. As my second year primary school teacher said to me once, "If Kevin told you put your hand in the fire, would you?" after I'd done something retarded at the behest of said Kevin, so it goes for those who've been suckered in. That said, I think it's a bit rich for the property-porno types to turn round now and claim they never told anyone to anything stupid, as they quite blatantly and repeatedly did, and to claim that no-one took any notice of their output is pushing the bounds of credability. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicebuyer Posted August 11, 2008 Share Posted August 11, 2008 I don't think she's done anything wrong. She and Spencer gave some good advice, made an entertaining TV show and made a bit of cash doing it. Let's remember that it was a TV show, entertainment. Anyone that took it as investment advice is probably the same person that runs their lives via the Mystic Meg phone line. I for one enjoyed (enjoy) the show and hope it continues. It was a great way of seeing what you could afford, what was out of your price range and it gave great ideas about prices outside of areas in which you live. It was fun and allowed us to snoop and see what others were doing in the property market. What annoys me are the idiots who blame people such as her or Spencer for things they have no responsibility nor obligation over. If you took out a loan for 5X your salary then if you can't pay it it's your problem. The idea that taking money advice from a TV show excuses your stupidity is in itself, yes, STUPID. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoomBoom Posted August 11, 2008 Share Posted August 11, 2008 I don't think she's done anything wrong. She and Spencer gave some good advice, made an entertaining TV show and made a bit of cash doing it. Let's remember that it was a TV show, entertainment. Anyone that took it as investment advice is probably the same person that runs their lives via the Mystic Meg phone line. I for one enjoyed (enjoy) the show and hope it continues. It was a great way of seeing what you could afford, what was out of your price range and it gave great ideas about prices outside of areas in which you live. It was fun and allowed us to snoop and see what others were doing in the property market. What annoys me are the idiots who blame people such as her or Spencer for things they have no responsibility nor obligation over. If you took out a loan for 5X your salary then if you can't pay it it's your problem. The idea that taking money advice from a TV show excuses your stupidity is in itself, yes, STUPID. What of the victims that appeared on the show? You know the poor saps that Krusty and Co told that taking a 10x salary mortgage out on old mother Hubbard's shoe was a good idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tbatst2000 Posted August 11, 2008 Share Posted August 11, 2008 What of the victims that appeared on the show? You know the poor saps that Krusty and Co told that taking a 10x salary mortgage out on old mother Hubbard's shoe was a good idea. It'd be very interesting to see how they all ended up. Someone could probably make a tv show out of it in fact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moo Posted August 11, 2008 Share Posted August 11, 2008 I don't think she's done anything wrong. She and Spencer gave some good advice, made an entertaining TV show and made a bit of cash doing it. I'm not sure "Buy X, it only ever goes up in price" can EVER be considered as good advice, regardless of the X. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GAL BEAR Posted August 11, 2008 Share Posted August 11, 2008 I'm afraid KIRSTY MUST take her share of the blame. After all JOE & JOANNE Public are more likely to listen to KIRSTY & PHIL than they are to a top economist from the GUARDIAN arn't they ? They have ramped and ramped the property market NEVER once mentioning that prices CAN go down as well as up ! They constantly tell their 'clients' "This HOUSE/FLAT is good investment, we estimate that the value of this property will have increased by ****** in two years time ! " They should not be telling people that, it is morally wrong! SARAH BEENEY was always a lot more careful when choosing her words. The 'words' "Your property will have increased by ***** in two years time" very rarely came out of her mouth. (Although I have heard that lately she is saying this 'crash' is not going to be too bad). I hope KIRSTY gets whats' coming to her. I absolutely detest her! I Hope she ends up stacking shelves in ASDA! And that job would be way to good for her ! :angry: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicebuyer Posted August 11, 2008 Share Posted August 11, 2008 I'm afraid KIRSTY MUST take her share of the blame.After all JOE & JOANNE Public are more likely to listen to KIRSTY & PHIL than they are to a top economist from the GUARDIAN arn't they ? That's Joe Public's fault no? In any case I have no idea why one would single out the presenter, it's probably fairer to take umbrage with Channel 4 and those commissioning the series. Let's be honest, Kirsty and Phil are just actors fronting an entertainment show for C4. I guess the problem is that many people were so ridiculously idiotic that they actually thought this was a show to take financial advice from rather than something amusing to watch in the evening. Singling out an individual is silly and misses the point completely. How about writing to the BBC about the hundreds of shows they've had on that you and your tax money actually paid for? Done that yet? Write to C4, write to the BBC, don't pick on individuals who are just figureheads. Waste of time and not very nice either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juvenal Posted August 11, 2008 Share Posted August 11, 2008 . Let's be honest, Kirsty and Phil are just actors fronting an entertainment show for C4. I Do you know the difference between an actor and a presenter? An actor plays a character, and is listed in the credits alongside that character's name. The other, in Phil and Kirsty' s case, is a guide and explicator/interpreter of the show's proceeedings, and as such is usuallly accorded the status of 'expert'. The words property expert has been used hundreds of times in relation to Phil and Kirsty. Small wonder their 'advice' is taken as reliable by the public, in much the same way as Alan Titchmarsh's advice on gardening is seen as authoritative. Their unquestioning 'bullishness' about property as a good investment is seen as an expert's endorsement. Big companies rely on this when paying big bucks to hire the Carole Vordermann's of this world. They pay for the 'trust' the public have in these individuals. To absolve these property porn presenters of any responsibility for the current mess may identify you as an admirer or fan of such 'celebrities'. But it reveals an ignorance of the wider responsibilities public figures have, and the influence they exert. Amanda Lamb recently said she was astonished at how many people quickly went seeking homes in exotic locations her own show had featured. Actors? No. Regrettably, no experts either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonard Hatred Posted August 11, 2008 Share Posted August 11, 2008 Would an actor ever appear on the news, furious at people for "talking down" what they were saying in their programme? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iguana Posted August 11, 2008 Share Posted August 11, 2008 That's Joe Public's fault no? In any case I have no idea why one would single out the presenter, it's probably fairer to take umbrage with Channel 4 and those commissioning the series. Let's be honest, Kirsty and Phil are just actors fronting an entertainment show for C4. I guess the problem is that many people were so ridiculously idiotic that they actually thought this was a show to take financial advice from rather than something amusing to watch in the evening. Singling out an individual is silly and misses the point completely. How about writing to the BBC about the hundreds of shows they've had on that you and your tax money actually paid for? Done that yet? Write to C4, write to the BBC, don't pick on individuals who are just figureheads. Waste of time and not very nice either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicebuyer Posted August 11, 2008 Share Posted August 11, 2008 Everyone's being a bit silly about this really. Yes I know there's a difference between an actor and presenter. I was accentuating the point by suffering to them as actors. they told people that property would be a good investment. It has been. They have never advised when to sell or when to get out of the market. That's not what the show was about. The fact is that many thousands, hundreds of thousands, millions made a lot of money from property. A LOT of money. As long as you're not stupid and get rid of it at the right time or stay in for the long run and treat it as a family home rather than an investment you've won. If you're stupid enough to buy big, at big prices with a massive loan with no escape plan then so be it, you're to blame, not Kirsty and bloody Phil Spencer. They never told anyone what mortgage to get, how much they should borrow. If you borrowed 10x income then how's that Kirsty's fault? I can't stand people that blame others because of their own stupidity. Only stupid people do it. Take some responsibility, accept you made a mistake and move on. Next you'll be blaming Jeremy Clarkson for choosing a shoddy car YOU should have researched properly. P.s (I'm not talking to you specifically but speaking to the wider issue in general) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicebuyer Posted August 11, 2008 Share Posted August 11, 2008 This is laughable. People came on the show wanting to move because of a lifestyle change etc. Kirsty and Phil, under adevice from the people appearing on the show, found properties within a specific radius. They then gave their opinion on whether the house was in a good location or not. Now people want to blame them for a HPC? Laughable. take advice, don't take advice, ultimately you make the decision. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicebuyer Posted August 11, 2008 Share Posted August 11, 2008 (edited) What really annoys me about this discussion is the way in which it reflects everything we should hate about modern society and the notion of responsibility. We're getting one step closer to this horrible blame game we see in America, let's blame everyone but ourselves. Next thing we'll start suing people because it's easier to blame someone else than take responsibility for one's own stupid actions. If someone is so silly as to borrow £500k and 10x their salary on the basis of what Phil Spencer speaks about on an entertainment show then I have no sympathy. I have even less for those that then blame Phil Spencer. Crazy talk. Edited August 11, 2008 by schuey100 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y-QUERK Posted August 11, 2008 Share Posted August 11, 2008 (edited) What really annoys me about this discussion...let's blame everyone but ourselves. OK I admit it. HPI is my fault. Edited August 11, 2008 by Nikelodeon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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