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Its going to be more like the 1970's than the 80's...

Return to the 1970s: how to reap a profit in the downturn

With the rocketing price of oil, gold and many other commodities reminding investors of the turmoil that Britain faced 35 years ago, we asked the professionals to outline the best ways to profit from the current chaos raging in the world’s markets

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Suggests buying index-linked gilts, GOLD and other Commodities...

How do you go about buying gilts the Gov get desperate for cash and put the yields up?

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http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/busi...icle3558728.ece

Its going to be more like the 1970's than the 80's...

Return to the 1970s: how to reap a profit in the downturn

With the rocketing price of oil, gold and many other commodities reminding investors of the turmoil that Britain faced 35 years ago, we asked the professionals to outline the best ways to profit from the current chaos raging in the world’s markets

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Suggests buying index-linked gilts, GOLD and other Commodities...

How do you go about buying gilts the Gov get desperate for cash and put the yields up?

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The mail ran the same story with a picture from life on Mars. All I can say is Gene Hunt for prime minister!

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The mail ran the same story with a picture from life on Mars. All I can say is Gene Hunt for prime minister!

Seconded. I'd like to seem him taking on some of the TV property presenters. I'd pay good money to see Gene Hunt versus Phil Spencer. Cheeky little Dom and his posh friend would be good candidates for a pasting as well.

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They still believe the government's spin though:

"In some ways, it is possible to take comparisons with the 1970s too far. There is no prospect of inflation hitting 25%, as it did back then, or interest rates topping out at 17%."

Errm real inflation is more like 10% now.

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This is too funny.

Herded into dot.coms to lose 50%+

Herded from dot.coms into BTL to lose 50%+

Herded from BTL into glod to lose another 50%+..........

Hilarious!

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This is too funny.

Herded into dot.coms to lose 50%+

Herded from dot.coms into BTL to lose 50%+

Herded from BTL into glod to lose another 50%+..........

Hilarious!

I hear you. So where are you parking your bets~?

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There is no prospect of inflation hitting 25%, as it did back then, or interest rates topping out at 17%.

YET

I have a theory in play,and it uses trigonometry.

If you take a look at a bull market/bear market it's always slow to materialise and increases exponentially,until it hits a brick wall and suddenly collapses......it looks like the tan function of a sine wave.

by the same function,I'm calculating peak gold price using the same process,but also including the money supply rate as a log function.....I expect the US to trash the dollar further,giving an average M3 of about 25% long term.

......it's only 16% at the moment,but at the peak this will likely be closer to 40%.

Base 24 Log of the last peak gold would give a figure of around $5000/oz in 2011,possibly climbing to a peak of $20500 by 2020

Unfortunately,this will mean that IR's will have to be cranked up VERY FAST,FASTER THAN VOLCKER DID IN 1980 at some stage,and to a higher level.....Al greenspan has said as much already!!

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This is too funny.

Herded into dot.coms to lose 50%+

Herded from dot.coms into BTL to lose 50%+

Herded from BTL into glod to lose another 50%+..........

Hilarious!

I don't think you can compare gold with BTL or dotcom. Gold has been a sustained store of wealth for thousands of years. It peaked at the end of the 1970's for the same reason as it's escalating now and it's hardly a herd investment.

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I don't think you can compare gold with BTL or dotcom. Gold has been a sustained store of wealth for thousands of years. It peaked at the end of the 1970's for the same reason as it's escalating now and it's hardly a herd investment.

I am not sure if that is true.

You think it is not a herd investment. You heard that? Where? Were you surrounded by people talking about it, either phsically or electronically? Sounds like you were part of a herd to me.

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Invest in gold, when there is nothing else to invest in....I don't think it is that bad yet, or if will reach that point, like a see saw we are somewhat top heavy... just a bit of balance is required, and the worse will be over.

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I am not sure if that is true.

You think it is not a herd investment. You heard that? Where? Were you surrounded by people talking about it, either phsically or electronically? Sounds like you were part of a herd to me.

Yes, I admit, I'm a sheep. Baaa. The mere fact that gold is never a mainstream topic of discussion is evidence enough for me that it's not something that is talked about, invested in and ramped in the way that housing or tech stocks Surely this is self-evident or are you on a higher plane and in the know about the next latest and greatest pyramid scheme?

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Yes, I admit, I'm a sheep. Baaa. The mere fact that gold is never a mainstream topic of discussion is evidence enough for me that it's not something that is talked about, invested in and ramped in the way that housing or tech stocks Surely this is self-evident or are you on a higher plane and in the know about the next latest and greatest pyramid scheme?

Do you see investing in gold as being a safe haven in a storm? In other words a speculative short to mid term buy, while you wait until things have settled, or are you thinking of it as a long term investment?

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i think platinum is an even better bet

There is serious shortage of platinum unlike gold.All the platinum in the world would fit in a barrat new build.

and unlike gold there are genuine and crucial industrial uses.

funny i dont hear much talk on here of platinum, and not enough on silver too.

gold may be a store of wealth, but the real money will be made in rare metals and minerals with crucial industrial uses.There rarity makes them difficult to trade in unlike gold that the world has a plentifull supply.however companies specialising in the processing and mining of these metals can do no wrong.

platinum

palladium

berylilium

lithium (batteries, old mobile phones worth more in scrap than buying new one)

tantalum

niobium

Osmium (diamond substitute)

indium ( serious supply issues, if you find this your a billiona\ire, used in liquid-crystal displays)

tungstin

rhodium

cadium ( used to give copper strength such as in overhead electric cables)

market news that should alert you to these metals and minerals are coming from everywhere, lots on the list are seen as the first commodities the world will run out of.

Japan has launched an ambitious campaign to find and lock in supplies of rare metals, especially important for new technology. They will be expanding efforts to open new mines all over the world, license what they can, and stockpile metals to insure supply and get good prices

Surging demand for rare metals driven by hi-tech industry, China

Prices of rare metals like cobalt and magnesium are surging ahead in London, driven by high-end technology and soaring demand from economic powerhouse China, according to commodities experts.

Glamorous raw materials such as precious metal gold and oil have long hogged the headlines -- with New York crude at a record high 101.32 dollars per barrel last week on concerns about tight global energy supplies.

But analysts say the lesser-known strategic metals, which also include cadmium, mercury and molybdenum, are now making headway. Other rare metals are antimony, ferrochrome, gallium, germanium, indium, manganese and tantalum

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What happens if big new gold deposits are found in, say, China, Brazil or Russia and this gold gets to the open market by-passing the established traders? Big price falls, I'd guess!

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Looks like Gold is rapidly approaching 'shoe shine boy' wisdom.

What I learned from the housing bubble is that bubbles can run a lot longer than I expect. Gold may well be good for a further run once it hits this 'man in the street' mentality.

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Ahh the 70s, right, let's all experiment with LSD and wood panelling! Can't wait! Hip hop instead of punk and soft rock obviously cos let's face it ;)

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i think platinum is an even better bet

platinum

palladium

berylilium

lithium (batteries, old mobile phones worth more in scrap than buying new one)

tantalum

niobium

Osmium (diamond substitute)

indium ( serious supply issues, if you find this your a billiona\ire, used in liquid-crystal displays)

tungstin

rhodium

cadium ( used to give copper strength such as in overhead electric cables)

where do you buy palladium coins ?

can you keep them in a sandwich tub under sink ?

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where do you buy palladium coins ?

I've no idea... but I believe there is such a thing as a palladium medal for chemistry. Fleischman (of cold fusion infamy) (allegedly, possibly only in a joke) had one.

Platinum, of course, will be in demand for catalytic converters until we run out of hydrocarbons.

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