Gordon Takes Massive Lead In Polls

[patprimer74]

Gordon Takes Massive Lead In Polls, Snap GE would give him a large increase in majority

That would be greedy! Labour already has a huge 160 seat majority over the Tory Party in the Commons. We don't want the Looney Right written off completely, do we? There needs to be a nominal opposition party albeit a totally ineffective one.

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[cockrobin]

I agree with every thing Neil Farage says. This country needs someone in power with his beliefs.

Sadly the electorat are stupid.

Edited July 15, 2007 by cockrobin

[patprimer74]

I agree with every thing Neil Farage says. This country needs someone in power with his beliefs.

Sadly the electorat are stupid.

So well put, cockrobin!

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Edited July 15, 2007 by patprimer74

[Flat Bear]

I agree with every thing Neil Farage says. This country needs someone in power with his belives.

Sadly the electorat are stupid.

I would really like to know who Neil Farage is? Did you mean Nigel Farage? or is there someone else. I may look a bit stupid here.

[cockrobin]

Well put, ****!

Lib-lab!!

[Bear Goggles]

I'm sure you're aware that most other European central banks sold off a large amount of their gold at that time - thinking the EURO was going to be the global reserve currency of choice. Hindsight shows us it cost us about £2bn.

Far less than the damage Lamont did on Black Wednesday of course.

No-one is infallible. All leaders, even the great ones, make mistakes.

I'm not even a traditional labour supporter but Brown has far more substance than the so-called dream ticket of Cameron/Osbourne.

And in the debt-ridden, credit tightening period, his scottish-prudence profile may just fit with the times.

Either way, the guy is no lightweight.

I agree!

You can't have it both ways. Either central bankers control the financial world, in which case Brown's record on economic management is irrelevant, or he has been in complete control, in which case he is omnipotent and is personally responsible for the global credit bubble.

I am no great New Labour fan, but I have been impressed by the immediate change of tone since the Blairites have left power. We are truly at the end of an era.

Brown has put housing on the political agenda and he is the ONLY politician to have done this. This has come as a complete surprise.

The scrapping of super casinos and the rumours about taxing BTL indicate that Brown is not impressed by feckless gambling and speculation. The champagne socialists were so drunk on power they really believed they'd discovered the "Third way", we could all be rich just by selling houses to each other, well now the party's almost over, the hang over is about to begin. And guess what? We've got a very sober minister's son to guide us through the cold turkey.

Things are going to get interesting.

[Pindar]

And anybody who seriously believes that this is a "new era" in politics, that the old left have somehow miraculously come back to "put things right" is either deluded or from a parallel universe. Gordon Brown, being far from prudent, is no more in control of the economy or the markets than Muffin the Mule and as he was handed his poison challice, he was also given precisely 18 months to "change the world" before he is spectacularly kicked out of No. 10 after the real effects of the housing bubble have had a chance to manifest themselves. Some people like to kid themselves that their precious politicians will come to the rescue and that "scottish prudence" will save the day. If Brown is so clever, why would he be proposing the construction of hundreds of thousands of new houses and social housing to effectively wipe out his "miracle" HPI-MEW economy?

[SeenItAllBefore]

I agree!

You can't have it both ways. Either central bankers control the financial world, in which case Brown's record on economic management is irrelevant, or he has been in complete control, in which case he is omnipotent and is personally responsible for the global credit bubble.

I am no great New Labour fan, but I have been impressed by the immediate change of tone since the Blairites have left power. We are truly at the end of an era.

Brown has put housing on the political agenda and he is the ONLY politician to have done this. This has come as a complete surprise.

The scrapping of super casinos and the rumours about taxing BTL indicate that Brown is not impressed by feckless gambling and speculation. The champagne socialists were so drunk on power they really believed they'd discovered the "Third way", we could all be rich just by selling houses to each other, well now the party's almost over, the hang over is about to begin. And guess what? We've got a very sober minister's son to guide us through the cold turkey.

Things are going to get interesting.

Brown has been controlling virtually every aspect of domestic policy via the Treasury purse strings since 1997. What sort of idiot do you have to be to buy the idea that he is some sort of "new broom" sweeping through the political agenda?

If it wasn't for him there would be no "cold turkey" necessary.

[Bear Goggles]

If Brown is so clever, why would he be proposing the construction of hundreds of thousands of new houses and social housing to effectively wipe out his "miracle" HPI-MEW economy?

Which is a good thing, right?

Either he's stupid, and he's wantonly wiping out "his miracle", or he wasn't the bond-villain-like omnipresent figure some people seem to think he was. IMO, that's where the delusion lies.

[King]

I didnt say he "will save the day" but was a nice bit of para-phrasing anyway.

The discussion was about GB being a so-called buffoon vs. better alternatives from the Tories.

Tebbit's star has waned...unless a knight in shining armour comes racing along soon we'll have to get used to living with this scot and his housing policies for a good while yet.

[THE BALD MAN]

I agree!

You can't have it both ways. Either central bankers control the financial world, in which case Brown's record on economic management is irrelevant, or he has been in complete control, in which case he is omnipotent and is personally responsible for the global credit bubble.

I am no great New Labour fan, but I have been impressed by the immediate change of tone since the Blairites have left power. We are truly at the end of an era.

Brown has put housing on the political agenda and he is the ONLY politician to have done this. This has come as a complete surprise.

The scrapping of super casinos and the rumours about taxing BTL indicate that Brown is not impressed by feckless gambling and speculation. The champagne socialists were so drunk on power they really believed they'd discovered the "Third way", we could all be rich just by selling houses to each other, well now the party's almost over, the hang over is about to begin. And guess what? We've got a very sober minister's son to guide us through the cold turkey.

Things are going to get interesting.

I would suggest taht Broen has just got lucky in being able to ride the biggest asset inflation bubble in history. All he had to do was not to ***** it to hard. Brown was/is spart of new labour. He was responsible for the "tax and spend" nu-labour policies . Can change his spots?

Perhaps putting housing on the agenda is politically a good thing. If prices fall he can take the credit for deflating the bubble.

[Bear Goggles]

Brown has been controlling virtually every aspect of domestic policy via the Treasury purse strings since 1997. What sort of idiot do you have to be to buy the idea that he is some sort of "new broom" sweeping through the political agenda?

If it wasn't for him there would be no "cold turkey" necessary.

Dunno? Perhaps the sort of idiot who believes Brown was personally responsible for the global credit boom that's swept the globe.

People on this forum have spent the last few years complaining, amongst other things, about housing not being on the political agenda. Now it is, everyone's complaining because it's the man they blame for causing the whole thing that's single handedly put it on.

Oh, the irony!

[Bear Goggles]

I would suggest taht Broen has just got lucky in being able to ride the biggest asset inflation bubble in history. All he had to do was not to ***** it to hard. Brown was/is spart of new labour. He was responsible for the "tax and spend" nu-labour policies . Can change his spots?

Perhaps putting housing on the agenda is politically a good thing. If prices fall he can take the credit for deflating the bubble.

Bingo! I'm glad someone gets it.

If you leave personal prejudice and the rights and wrongs of it aside, you can see it for what it is - political maneuvering.

[Fancypants]

Bingo! I'm glad someone gets it.

If you leave personal prejudice and the rights and wrongs of it aside, you can see it for what it is - political maneuvering.

aye, Gordenron does get some unjusfified stick on here. Mind you, I don't have a great deal of sympathy for him - if he wants to take credit for things he wasn't entirely responsible for, then he should expect to take the flak for things he wasn't entirely responsible for. Quid pro quo, innit.

[THE BALD MAN]

Dunno? Perhaps the sort of idiot who believes Brown was personally responsible for the global credit boom that's swept the globe.

People on this forum have spent the last few years complaining, amongst other things, about housing not being on the political agenda. Now it is, everyone's complaining because it's the man they blame for causing the whole thing that's single handedly put it on.

Oh, the irony!

Brown has been lucky to have been able to use HPI to sustain nu-labour policies i.e tax more and build up a large public sector. HPI is looking unsustainable so put houses on the political agenda and try to have a damage limitation stratgey as credit tightens and HPI fallsi.e lower house prices is a good thing. Looks a smart strategy. If all else fails blame your chancellor.

[THE BALD MAN]

aye, Gordenron does get some unjusfified stick on here. Mind you, I don't have a great deal of sympathy for him - if he wants to take credit for things he wasn't entirely responsible for, then he should expect to take the flak for things he wasn't entirely responsible for. Quid pro quo, innit.

He likes controling our money and what we do so he has to take blame when things go wrong.

[littlepumpkin]

I agree!

You can't have it both ways. Either central bankers control the financial world, in which case Brown's record on economic management is irrelevant, or he has been in complete control, in which case he is omnipotent and is personally responsible for the global credit bubble.

I am no great New Labour fan, but I have been impressed by the immediate change of tone since the Blairites have left power. We are truly at the end of an era.

Brown has put housing on the political agenda and he is the ONLY politician to have done this. This has come as a complete surprise.

The scrapping of super casinos and the rumours about taxing BTL indicate that Brown is not impressed by feckless gambling and speculation. The champagne socialists were so drunk on power they really believed they'd discovered the "Third way", we could all be rich just by selling houses to each other, well now the party's almost over, the hang over is about to begin. And guess what? We've got a very sober minister's son to guide us through the cold turkey.

Things are going to get interesting.

dont you believe it. brown is talking rubbish and he has just as many, if not more, champagne socialist mates than blair - dont believe the hype. his best mate is one of the founders of the private equity industry who has now decided ( now hes made £75m) how unfair the tax regime is and wants to stiff it for others, so you get all this spin, but make no mistake who and where gordies friends are. he couldnt give a toss about working people.

if you think brown is going to build a load of cheap eco homes on ex brownfield sites with new infrastructure and remediation of land thats required, do you really think developers will want to put cheap houses on them they wont make a profit from? no, its all spin. browns 3 m new houses by 2020 was just a rehash of prescotts 2.6m houses by 2016 statement from 1999. and housebuilding rates are still at very low levels. theres absolutely no incentive for developers to build cheapo estates, it doesnt make money, and in rougher times it will make even less. and gordo is not going to subsidise the building of new council housing estates. we'll just have to wait for a crash to make stuff cheaper - sorry.

edit - and all this son of a minister rubbish he tries to hide behind. i dont know anyone , anyone who claims that because their dad had a certain job or vocation, it means they are morally superior. to try and cloak himself and his decisions with the moral right of being a clergyman's son is despicable, something even the evangelical blair would never have done. its repugnant in our secular society.

Edited July 16, 2007 by littlepumpkin

[Bear Goggles]

dont you believe it. brown is talking rubbish and he has just as many, if not more, champagne socialist mates than blair - dont believe the hype. his best mate is one of the founders of the private equity industry who has now decided ( now hes made £75m) how unfair the tax regime is and wants to stiff it for others, so you get all this spin, but make no mistake who and where gordies friends are. he couldnt give a toss about working people.

if you think brown is going to build a load of cheap eco homes on ex brownfield sites with new infrastructure and remediation of land thats required, do you really think developers will want to put cheap houses on them they wont make a profit from? no, its all spin. browns 3 m new houses by 2020 was just a rehash of prescotts 2.6m houses by 2016 statement from 1999. and housebuilding rates are still at very low levels. theres absolutely no incentive for developers to build cheapo estates, it doesnt make money, and in rougher times it will make even less. and gordo is not going to subsidise the building of new council housing estates. we'll just have to wait for a crash to make stuff cheaper - sorry.

edit - and all this son of a minister rubbish he tries to hide behind. i dont know anyone , anyone who claims that because their dad had a certain job or vocation, it means they are morally superior. to try and cloak himself and his decisions with the moral right of being a clergyman's son is despicable, something even the evangelical blair would never have done. its repugnant in our secular society.

I don't believe anything when it comes to politicians' promises. As you say, what happened to Prescott's Thames gateway development?

I think what I'm commenting on here, amongst the ranting and raving about Brown, is the long overdue change in sentiment. The media went bear a few weeks ago and now the new prime minister is making very different noises about housing and the benefits of HPI.

The cycle is turning, and we are at last seeing this being reflected, first in the media and now politics. This in itself is a good thing!

[littlepumpkin]

I don't believe anything when it comes to politicians' promises. As you say, what happened to Prescott's Thames gateway development?

I think what I'm commenting on here, amongst the ranting and raving about Brown, is the long overdue change in sentiment. The media went bear a few weeks ago and now the new prime minister is making very different noises about housing and the benefits of HPI.

The cycle is turning, and we are at last seeing this being reflected, first in the media and now politics. This in itself is a good thing!

i agree. large sections of the media and the political class and the chattering classes know that the worm has now turned. you cant put up interest rates 5 times, adding £250 per month to a £200k mortgage without it having an impact in folks pockets and then an economic and political impact. look at me - i have a morrtgage and i'm now overpaying to the tune of what the rises would have been so i dont feel a shock when i come off a fixed rate deal , and thats money im not spending down the shops. this fact hasnt quite filtered down to the majority of people yet and as described in other posts today some silliness still about, lack of realism but i think its probably only weeks to maybe 3 months before folk wake up to whats happening and then gordon will start copping it in the neck ( despite the fact he'll blame the tories, states, arabs, chinese, anyone - people will hold him responsible , just like they did the tories when they messed up) . sadly as money becomes more tight people will also lose their jobs as folk make economies. probably not a good time to invest in nail bars or beauty salons / florists.

[r thritis]

He will definitely call an election as soon as possible. He knows this is his only chance of a prolonged spell in office. He will ride a wave of relative popularity for about the next 6-8 months and will then become deeply unpopular as the economy starts to unwind next year. He knows that if he waits more than a year he will have no chance of victory.

[jp1]

Lest see what happens in the real poll this Thursday

If Brown doesnt increase Labour's 10,000 majority in Ealing South - he ought to be worried, very worried

If Tories do well [come 2nd knocking the Lib Dems into 3rd place] - as expected - there's even the possibility they may win the seat with Tony Lit - expect the BBC to throw the media focus on the Sedgefield result [no surprises expected in Blairs old safe as houses seat], plus we may see Brown spring another defector [John Bercow] into the media spotlight

No change there from "no spin now" Brown

[Leonard Hatred]

Brown has been lucky to have been able to use HPI to sustain nu-labour policies i.e tax more and build up a large public sector.

Yes - he's been able to use it as leverage as Britain's capacity for wealth creation has moved offshore. He's just like those people who harp on about about how great they are at investing because they happened to buy their first house six years ago - a lucky ******er.

[THE BALD MAN]

Yes - he's been able to use it as leverage as Britain's capacity for wealth creation has moved offshore. He's just like those people who harp on about about how great they are at investing because they happened to buy their first house six years ago - a lucky ******er.

Whether thay are lucky when the squeeze comes depends on whether they have withdrawn and spent their their "equity" !