Confusion of VIs Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 Pfeizers' test results claim it is 95% effective, ok, now can we do the sums. Of all those who test positive or are revealed to have previously had Covid, 99.5% had no illness of any kind. Of the remaining 0.5% who were ill, 99.5% recovered. With herd immunity showing it is beyond 99.5% effective, why are we now going to see billions spent on a cure that is claimed to be statistically worse than the illness. Just asking..._ This is satire? After all no one could fail to see the logical flaw in the argument could they? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob8 Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 https://metro.co.uk/2020/11/17/rishi-sunak-refuses-to-say-whether-he-will-profit-from-moderna-vaccine-13612019/ So that's a yes then. What rude tit bojo is being here..... 170 pedos arrested in Florida. US takes down ICBM Europe loses 400 $million worth satellite equipment Chris Krebs CISA got the boot Oh! Knobcheese! Are you implying that we are all doing this to make money? Is that why I had been working such long hours? Is that why those in ICU are in some big fraud? Go take your odious implicatations and go **** yourself, you dreadful excuse for a human. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightowl Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 I posted an image a couple of weeks ago of a bed-wetting Covid denier and he was very clearly in hospital where he subsequently died of his ignorance. So they ARE attending hospital no matter what BS you want to spin. Some people ride motorbikes despite the heighten risk. They arent RTA deniers. Some people drink too much despite the heighten risk. They arent liver disease deniers. Some people parachute despite the heighten risk. They arent gravity deniers. Some peole live their lives without fear of covid despite the minuscule risk. They arent covid deniers. In short, people just want to live their lives despite the risks of going out the door - they ARENT bedwetting covid deniers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob8 Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 So in other words they had a positive test, which may or may not indicate C19 (even government admits), then died of something. Make that 2 deniers, PHE responded to an FOA in which they admit they have not isolated the C19 virus. So, we murdered an extra 60,000 people this year? **** you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Preacherman Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 Bed-wetting over been kindly asked to wear a mask? Bravo this one is on you... Four-year-old boy loses both parents to coronavirus within 100 days The family of a four-year-old boy who lost both his parents within 100 days from coronavirus are trying to plan him an unforgettable birthday amid the grief. In June, Raiden Gonzalez’s dad, Adan, became sick with coronavirus after a co-worker tested positive. Adan, from San Antonio, Texas, was hospitalised soon after, before dying from the virus on 26 June at the age of 33. According to the four-year-old’s grandmother, Rozie Salinas, who spoke to NBC News, while Raiden’s mother Mariah was still grieving the loss of her husband in October, she also became sick. She died suddenly on 5 October, hours after she began feeling ill, Salinas said, with the hospital later informing the family that the 29-year-old had tested positive for coronavirus. The sudden death of both of his parents has been hard on Raiden, his family said, with the child telling his grandmother that he wants his mother back. READ MORE Five mourners died after ‘catching Covid at illegal large-scale wake’ "He misses his mom since he was a mama's boy," Salinas told the outlet. "Just this morning he told me that he wishes he had his mom back and he just wanted her back. https://apple.news/AOYyKEHNjS_Ox0wvmOchO5w I hope you’re proud of yourselves. Shit happens Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Preacherman Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 Ooooooo just sooooo close. Not even close at all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightowl Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 Not even close at all Curious that many were predicting exponential growth, where the real curve doesn't exhibit that behavior (again) and the rate of change is slowing week before 3rd Nov and that 'slowing action' brings the rate down post lock down and thus lockdown will be (incorrectly) credited for this. Further more those deaths will lag the actual infection period so the turn in peak deaths was from turn in peak in early-mid October. Deja Vu moment here. 🤨 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob8 Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 Not even close at all Hello ****-face. Are you claiming that all the health and biopharm workers are all in a mssive fraud, or that we are all idiots and you are much smarter? You ****. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpeggio Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 Oh! Knobcheese! Are you implying that we are all doing this to make money? Is that why I had been working such long hours? Is that why those in ICU are in some big fraud? Go take your odious implicatations and go **** yourself, you dreadful excuse for a human. No not just money, full spectrum dominance of people's existence. The Great Reset. Destruction of jobs and economy > Citizens income > removal of cash > total surveillance. You will get tossed to the side if you're no longer needed or if you disagree with the wrong thing at the wrong time. So, we murdered an extra 60,000 people this year? **** you. Apparently millions will starve haven't you heard? You're going to murder a lot more. The more the merrier to justify actions. The starvation will be used as an argument for more mandates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpeggio Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 Hello ****-face. Are you claiming that all the health and biopharm workers are all in a mssive fraud, or that we are all idiots and you are much smarter? You ****. Swearing over charts now. Definitely in safe hands with you aren't we. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Preacherman Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 Hello ****-face. Are you claiming that all the health and biopharm workers are all in a mssive fraud, or that we are all idiots and you are much smarter? You ****. What on earth are going on about? I've posted a graph showing that actual recorded deaths are nowhere near the SAGE forecasts. The figures were blatantly sexed up by Whtty and Valance. What has that got to do with health and biopharm workers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob8 Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 Apparently millions will starve haven't you heard? You're going to murder a lot more. The more the merrier to justify actions. The starvation will be used as an argument for more mandates. ****** you. You are a ******ing cretin. You need to working on being less retarded if you want people to stop laughing at you IRL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Preacherman Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 ****** you. You are a ******ing cretin. You need to working on being less retarded if you want people to stop laughing at you IRL. Here's some of the misery that lockdown policies are causing growing numbers of homeless families. If you want lockdown you have to own the consequences. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Preacherman Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 Curious that many were predicting exponential growth, where the real curve doesn't exhibit that behavior (again) and the rate of change is slowing week before 3rd Nov and that 'slowing action' brings the rate down post lock down and thus lockdown will be (incorrectly) credited for this. Further more those deaths will lag the actual infection period so the turn in peak deaths was from turn in peak in early-mid October. Deja Vu moment here. 🤨 @Bob8 trigger warning contains graphs. Nothing exponential protestations by the like of Swalek. Instead a Gompertz curve like epidemiological models predict. Good news it looks like we are over the worst of the second ripple. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swankyman Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 Hello ****-face. Are you claiming that all the health and biopharm workers are all in a mssive fraud, or that we are all idiots and you are much smarter? You ****. I think you may have the wrong end of the stick there matey. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Megadebt Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 Preacher, you have announced a couple of big studies: Danish 'suppressed' mask survey, and the US army containment study recently. Both of these you announced with a big drum roll as definitive proof, but each of them had really glaring errors. I replied to you, any comments?😬 The above graph, is thia the same you insited was falling a couple of weeks ago? maybe flatlining, but the trend isn't falling yet. I think too much comparison from 1st to 2nd wave, given that treatments has improved and presumably reduced mortality. The uk CFR was 15% at one time. That sharp linear climb followed by an exponential decay curve shape previously might be different this time around; more bell shaped. Another big difference is going into this in the winter as opposed to spring. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Preacherman Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 Preacher, you have announced a couple of big studies: Danish 'suppressed' mask survey, and the US army containment study recently. Both of these you announced with a big drum roll as definitive proof, but each of them had really glaring errors. I replied to you, any comments?😬 The above graph, is thia the same you insited was falling a couple of weeks ago? maybe flatlining, but the trend isn't falling yet. I think too much comparison from 1st to 2nd wave, given that treatments has improved and presumably reduced mortality. The uk CFR was 15% at one time. That sharp linear climb followed by an exponential decay curve shape previously might be different this time around; more bell shaped. Another big difference is going into this in the winter as opposed to spring. Its game over for the panicdemic. Cases are dropping and the public have had enough. Don't interfere with Christmas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightowl Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 @Bob8 trigger warning contains graphs. Nothing exponential protestations by the like of Swalek. Instead a Gompertz curve like epidemiological models predict. Good news it looks like we are over the worst of the second ripple. I'm wary of using the testing graphs at the moment to judge the curve, because they show a confusing combination of cases and number tests being performed so its not obvious which influences most at any time - despite its limits (ie it lags infections) the death rate curve is more useful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Preacherman Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 Large anti-lockdown protest in Berlin today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Preacherman Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 (edited) I'm wary of using the testing graphs at the moment to judge the curve, because they show a confusing combination of cases and number tests being performed so its not obvious which influences most at any time - despite its limits (ie it lags infections) the death rate curve is more useful. The death rate nad hospital admission curve is in danger of being polluted by all the testing. It's no longer a function of cases but of tests. Edited November 18, 2020 by The Preacherman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightowl Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 Large anti-lockdown protest in Berlin today. <br /> Berlin is twinned with Bristol it appear this week. Loads of these protests cropping up but not much coverage. There was more coverage of the foreign Secretary complaining about the dismantling of democracy in Honk Kong...while his own government prevent political protest at home- yes a lockdown march is a political protest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Megadebt Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 Its game over for the panicdemic. Cases are dropping and the public have had enough. Don't interfere with Christmas. That is your reply? careful analysis and a considered respnse thanks. You don't even beleive your own bulllshit 🤣 How's life in your NHS keyworker family household? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainb Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 Berlin is twinned with Bristol it appear this week. Loads of these protests cropping up but not much coverage. There was more coverage of the foreign Secretary complaining about the dismantling of democracy in Honk Kong...while his own government prevent political protest at home- yes a lockdown march is a political protest. Argument seems to be police shouldn't have to be put at risk of covid doing their job. Which is standard covid risk analysis.. Immortal without it and anything else can be ignored. Relative risk to front line officers, typically under 50 and relatively fit of Cv19, knife crime, getting hit by a brick etc, shot, run over etc etc. Logical extension is police shouldn't have to face the public at any point. Removes the risk and also thier role. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swankyman Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 I think too much comparison from 1st to 2nd wave, given that treatments has improved and presumably reduced mortality. The uk CFR was 15% at one time. At the start only the really ill in hospital were tested. Then they ramped up testing leading to a drop in CFR The sharp rise in spring was most likely a rapid increase in testing and testing capacity. I don't think it's shape has much to tell us. Only the deaths from spring are going to be close to the 'real' values. The actual infection rates were through the roof. Around 11 % infected in London by May. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightowl Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 That is your reply? careful analysis and a considered respnse thanks. You don't even beleive your own bulllshit 🤣 How's life in your NHS keyworker family household? The there is little justification for cancelling christmas as the infections driving deaths may have peaked in early/mid October, so we will all have to endure brussel sprouts, secret santas and xmas jumpers afterall in 2020.....oh hang on, suddenly I might covert to being a lockdown fetishist afterall 😬 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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