workingpoor Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 Looking at the rainfall for this week at Balater i think this thursday's upcoming deluge would be the danger. Plenty of fresh flooding up there today Coupar Angus now flooded http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-35221823 Some real devastation in those pictures. I don't think we have seen anything yet, as in the past the pre-xmas floods can seem bad but January's weather has often brought alot worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccc Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 Rivers move over time - its meant to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riedquat Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 Rivers move over time - its meant to happen. It happens. "Meant" is stretching it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccc Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 It happens. "Meant" is stretching it. Not really - rivers move course - its what they do - they are giant eroding machines - and nothing erodes better than millions of litres of water flowing through constantly. You could look at this the other way - that castles stood there right beside that river for about 400 years and survived up until now. That's pretty good considering how much rainfall and high rivers you get in that area every year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riedquat Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 Sure, but "meant" isn't the right word. What something does is just what it does - water runs downhill and so on. "Meant" implies a purpose and design. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccc Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 Well it is on purpose and by design - is it not ? Nature works over time on getting a river to the sea in as quick a way as possible. Which is why you find following water up a hill is always the most direct route - but also steepest ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riedquat Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 That's not on purpose or by design (unless you're religious). Whose purpose and design? It's just stuff that happens. "Purpose" and "design" require concious decisions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccc Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 I am far from religious. However I cant believe you don't think nature has 'purpose or design' ? Why are conscious decisions required for that ? Having the desire to have sex with the opposite sex clearly has its 'purpose'. A bird having hollow lightweight bones is clearly a 'design'. I suppose you just have a different opinion on what these words mean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riedquat Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 "Purpose" to me is something done for a reason, and "design" is something deliberately created (it can't be a design if no-one designed it). I'm probably a bit more flexible on "purpose" (your example being reasonable enough I think), but I doubt that I'd go as far as saying that the behaviour of a river has any purpose, it just is what it is. Saying that the purpose of a river is to erode sounds like you're saying that it was deliberately put there for that reason. Anyway that's my take on the meaning of those words. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Generation Game Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 "Purpose" to me is something done for a reason, and "design" is something deliberately created (it can't be a design if no-one designed it). I'm probably a bit more flexible on "purpose" (your example being reasonable enough I think), but I doubt that I'd go as far as saying that the behaviour of a river has any purpose, it just is what it is. Saying that the purpose of a river is to erode sounds like you're saying that it was deliberately put there for that reason. Anyway that's my take on the meaning of those words. I would say its purpose was to let gravity have its way with it and that the design stems from iterations of rainfall allowing erosion to alter the path of least resistance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccc Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 Ok I have probably led this down a pedantic path Anyway - in a simple way - shit like this happens beside rivers - unless you put serious effort into stopping it. Even then - it will eventually win over. I reckon whoever built this in 1620 would be pretty happy it's lasted this long ? Pretty impressive stuff really. Shame of course if it goes. Must have driven past there loads of times - can't think if it though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riedquat Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 Agree there (not that I view 1620 as all that long ago). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snafu Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 This fecking rain. Seriously, and I live in Newcastle which isn't even badly hit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Masked Tulip Posted January 5, 2016 Author Share Posted January 5, 2016 This fecking rain. Seriously, and I live in Newcastle which isn't even badly hit. Making me glad that I did not buy here. A warmer clime appeals more and more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spyguy Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 This fecking rain. Seriously, and I live in Newcastle which isn't even badly hit. We've had heavy rain for days. The ground reached saturation last night about 6pm. The local FB groups all started asking for sandbag and the road flooding. All down to rain run off. Not the sea. Not rivers - although a couple of culverted becks in town burst. http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/our-region/north-yorkshire-moors-and-coast/whitby/sandbags-at-the-ready-as-whitby-prepares-to-tackle-flooding-threat-1-7656068 http://www.itv.com/news/calendar/2016-01-04/whitby-cut-off-by-unprecedented-levels-of-flooding/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happy_renting Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 That's not on purpose or by design (unless you're religious). Whose purpose and design? It's just stuff that happens. "Purpose" and "design" require concious decisions. +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happy_renting Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 Good video of Abergeldie Castle and the A93 on the oposite side of the river which has been completely swept away. I think that castle is going to go. http://news.sky.com/story/1616554/floods-castle-on-brink-of-collapse-into-river I wonder what -if any - foundations that 'castle' has. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
workingpoor Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 Another idiot bus driver in York today, ignored a road closed sign. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-york-north-yorkshire-35231522 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
workingpoor Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 I wonder what -if any - foundations that 'castle' has.One report i read quoted the Laird who lived there saying "the problem with these old buildings is they don't have much foundations"Can't see it staying up much longer, experts were due to structurally assess it this morning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
porca misèria Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 One report i read quoted the Laird who lived there saying "the problem with these old buildings is they don't have much foundations" To be fair, he was probably bewildered. If you're not used to being interviewed, you get asked a question to which you have no meaningful answer. Just replying with the bleedin' obvious seems dumb, so you react by going blank and say something dumber. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest eight Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 This fecking rain. Seriously, and I live in Newcastle which isn't even badly hit. I drove from Darlington to Newcastle last night, and it was scary! I left early to come back as I thought there was a chance I wouldn't make it if I left it any longer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freeholder Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 Where I parked the car yesterday, in a suburb of SE London, the ground was liquid mud. The local geology is gravel over chalk, that should be the best draining soil there is. The sort of conditions that geographers invented the term 'dry valley' for. The water table is now at the surface. No risk of flooding in this particular location but I am jolly glad I live on a hill like a sensible person. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest eight Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 30th March 2012 we were at Adventure Valley near Durham. The temperature was well into the twenties and the official declaration of a drought was imminent. I think it's rained pretty much ever since. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snafu Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 I drove from Darlington to Newcastle last night, and it was scary! I left early to come back as I thought there was a chance I wouldn't make it if I left it any longer. Strangely the A1 Western bypass wasn't slow, probably because of all the problems around the Testo roundabout closer to Sunderland. I had to take a few detours around Ouston (small village) as a few of the roads were flooded). Quite pleased my car has good ground clearance should I need it, rather not risk it though of course. Some aqua planing on bigger roads too, with BMW drivers thinking they're immune to it of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snafu Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 30th March 2012 we were at Adventure Valley near Durham. The temperature was well into the twenties and the official declaration of a drought was imminent. I think it's rained pretty much ever since. Is that the one next to the prison? Pretty cool birds of prey. Not sure I bought the "these birds don't mind sitting still as that's what they do in the wild too" information plaques. Good fun on the pedal cars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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