copydude Posted October 25, 2017 Share Posted October 25, 2017 The Gov has ordered an inquiry into e-cigarettes, which looks like becoming Britain's biggest craze since hula hoops. According to Bloomberg, early research indicates that vaping is 95% less harmful than smoking, so that's all good, yes? Well, perhaps not in a country which depends upon punitive taxation. 3 million people are no longer buying the world's most expensive fags every day and one imagines the Gov will not be able to leave this alone for long. Quote The U.K. health charity Action on Smoking and Health welcomed the review. “While e-cigarettes are helping smokers quit, they are not a stand-alone solution to the tobacco epidemic,” said Deborah Arnott, chief executive officer of the group. “It’s important that the evidence is considered in the context of tried and tested policies.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rollover Posted October 25, 2017 Share Posted October 25, 2017 I hope ASAP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CunningPlan Posted October 25, 2017 Share Posted October 25, 2017 Just now, rollover said: I hope ASAP. Why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fandanman Posted October 25, 2017 Share Posted October 25, 2017 I thought that but problem for the gov is anyone can make the juice themselves with only 4 ingedients needed, PG, VG, nicotine and flavour/colouring, can they tax the hell out of those ingredients, don't think so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maynardgravy Posted October 25, 2017 Share Posted October 25, 2017 Putting my tinfoil hat on and as someone who managed to give up the old fashioned way of using willpower, getting masses of people off an expensive habit they would have ditched anyway into a slightly less expensive habit (but one they don't feel compelled to give up for health reasons) is a tax winner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
copydude Posted October 25, 2017 Author Share Posted October 25, 2017 There are still 7.9 million smokers spending maybe 30 plus quid a week on fags. Vaping is obviously weaning people off cigarettes faster than any 'tried and tested policies' of the past. All this money is being released into the wider economy. It must be quite significant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CunningPlan Posted October 25, 2017 Share Posted October 25, 2017 21 minutes ago, Maynardgravy said: Putting my tinfoil hat on and as someone who managed to give up the old fashioned way of using willpower, getting masses of people off an expensive habit they would have ditched anyway into a slightly less expensive habit (but one they don't feel compelled to give up for health reasons) is a tax winner. I would change your 'slightly less expensive' to 'significantly less expensive' And I tried for 30 years without success the old fashioned way. I don't honestly believe I would have 'ditched anyway' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgul Posted October 25, 2017 Share Posted October 25, 2017 8 minutes ago, copydude said: There are still 7.9 million smokers spending maybe 30 plus quid a week on fags. Vaping is obviously weaning people off cigarettes faster than any 'tried and tested policies' of the past. All this money is being released into the wider economy. It must be quite significant. Yeah, but it is being spent in the wrong way. The government would like to be in charge of the way it is spent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maynardgravy Posted October 25, 2017 Share Posted October 25, 2017 1 minute ago, CunningPlan said: I would change your 'slightly less expensive' to 'significantly less expensive' And I tried for 30 years without success the old fashioned way. I don't honestly believe I would have 'ditched anyway' Fair enough, not everyone is the same. Personally, if I'd have known how easy it was to stop I'd have done it earlier. I think people wind themselves up over how 'hard' it is to stop and they're buggered before they start. The nicotine habit is not the worst part IMO. That wanes after a week or so. It's the physical habit. I know a fair few 'vaps' that often go back to fags because they never got over the physical habit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CunningPlan Posted October 25, 2017 Share Posted October 25, 2017 10 minutes ago, Maynardgravy said: Fair enough, not everyone is the same. Personally, if I'd have known how easy it was to stop I'd have done it earlier. I think people wind themselves up over how 'hard' it is to stop and they're buggered before they start. The nicotine habit is not the worst part IMO. That wanes after a week or so. It's the physical habit. I know a fair few 'vaps' that often go back to fags because they never got over the physical habit. Agreed. I tried everything, including a one on one with Alan Carr. Nothing worked for more than three weeks. Started vaping three years ago. Haven't wanted a fag during that time. Not even a little bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dogtanian Posted October 25, 2017 Share Posted October 25, 2017 47 minutes ago, fandanman said: I thought that but problem for the gov is anyone can make the juice themselves with only 4 ingedients needed, PG, VG, nicotine and flavour/colouring, can they tax the hell out of those ingredients, don't think so. Exactly. I recently started to make my own and it really is cheap. From those ingredients the only one I can see the government trying to tax etc would be nicotine. Nothing really stopping getting it from China in that case. However there are lots of vapers that spend plenty on various shiny new gizmos to go with the liquid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewig Posted October 25, 2017 Share Posted October 25, 2017 watching all these braindead people inhaling that trendy vapour reminds me of all those obese people proudly guzzling their diet cola Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bricks n' mortar Posted October 25, 2017 Share Posted October 25, 2017 1 hour ago, fandanman said: can they tax the hell out of those ingredients, don't think so. Consider how well they taxed a weed you can grow in your garden. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CunningPlan Posted October 25, 2017 Share Posted October 25, 2017 7 minutes ago, thewig said: watching all these braindead people inhaling that trendy vapour reminds me of all those obese people proudly guzzling their diet cola Well it has helped me and several million others give up smoking. If that makes me brain dead so be it. But at least I will be physically alive for a lot longer than I would have been. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inoperational Bumblebee Posted October 25, 2017 Share Posted October 25, 2017 Another ex-smoker turned vaper here. Significantly cheaper, and I'd never go back to cigarettes. Three days it took me to switch completely. Started as harm reduction but preferred it almost instantly. The govt will have to look elsewhere for their money as I'm down to such a low nicotine level that I will be down to zero soon. Perhaps a shift to a less authoritarian culture could actually be beneficial to them... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dogtanian Posted October 25, 2017 Share Posted October 25, 2017 In the same boat, I tried an ecig years ago after a chest infection. Wasn't planning on stopping or even quitting the fags. Never looked back. Guess ecigs don't have the cool factor from decades ingrained on the silver screen. Lot of people definitely think it looks a bit silly but never heard it alluded with the undead! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
copydude Posted October 26, 2017 Author Share Posted October 26, 2017 2 hours ago, Bricks n' mortar said: Consider how well they taxed a weed you can grow in your garden. I suppose they could license or even take over the outlets, like the Tabacs in France or the state shops in Hungary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starla Posted October 26, 2017 Share Posted October 26, 2017 9 hours ago, CunningPlan said: Agreed. I tried everything, including a one on one with Alan Carr. Nothing worked for more than three weeks. Started vaping three years ago. Haven't wanted a fag during that time. Not even a little bit. Same. Hypnotherapy 3 times, a session at the Allen Carr centre in Raynes Park (I cried in the car park afterwards), patches (gave me nightmares), gum, cold turkey, nothing for me worked. If I'd of found it as easy to give up as some people then I'd have stopped when I started. I was fully addicted to nicotine and for whatever reason (long-term brain changes induced by continued nicotine exposure) meant my personal head-wiring found it harder to un-do. I have never had even the slightest addiction to any other drug. Along came E-cigarettes and stopping was effortless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewig Posted October 26, 2017 Share Posted October 26, 2017 9 hours ago, CunningPlan said: Well it has helped me and several million others give up smoking. If that makes me brain dead so be it. But at least I will be physically alive for a lot longer than I would have been. yeah well four litres of diet coke a day has helped me give up four litres of coke zero a day, check me out! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inoperational Bumblebee Posted October 26, 2017 Share Posted October 26, 2017 1 hour ago, thewig said: yeah well four litres of diet coke a day has helped me give up four litres of coke zero a day, check me out! Amusing, but inaccurate analogy. No carcinogens or carbon monoxide produced in a correctly used vape. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calcutta Posted October 26, 2017 Share Posted October 26, 2017 Have stopped smoking a couple of times, lasted two months both times. Got over the addiction pretty well, was handling the rage - not particularly well but I never actually attacked anyone - but after 6/7 weeks I found myself morbidly, suicidely depressed. Have had a couple of ecigs before but they ran out at inconvenient times and I had to blag a fag off someone, which started me going again. Would be interested in vaping, I'm a bit confused about what it entails, and I think I'd actually be a bit embarrassed trying to buy the gear. And remembering to charge the bloody thing would be a pain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shatner's bassoon Posted October 26, 2017 Share Posted October 26, 2017 37 minutes ago, Calcutta said: Have stopped smoking a couple of times, lasted two months both times. Got over the addiction pretty well, was handling the rage - not particularly well but I never actually attacked anyone - but after 6/7 weeks I found myself morbidly, suicidely depressed. That may be because there are compounds in tobacco that are also found in a class of anti-depressant drugs, namely MAOIs. I was certainly much flatter when I stopped smoking & hence was probably self-medicating with the fags. "tobacco contains naturally occurring MAOI compounds in addition to the nicotine" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monoamine_oxidase_inhibitor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewig Posted October 26, 2017 Share Posted October 26, 2017 3 hours ago, Inoperational Bumblebee said: Amusing, but inaccurate analogy. No carcinogens or carbon monoxide produced in a correctly used vape. theres no fat in salt so I just eat a kilo of salt a day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewig Posted October 26, 2017 Share Posted October 26, 2017 yeah I got really bad headaches when I drank four cups a coffee a day every day, until I started a cheeky dab of whizz on the hour every hour I've never touched a cup of coffee since Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diver Dan Posted October 26, 2017 Share Posted October 26, 2017 Vapes always remind me of the Robocop film where most of the city are addicted to a drug that gives them no pleasure other than a relief from their cravings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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