interestrateripoff Posted January 1, 2010 Author Share Posted January 1, 2010 Hang on. Didn't they say that the scanners would reduce the time it takes to get through security when they tried to foist them on us last year? Perhaps they will employ more people to scan people, just think of the boost to the economy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woot Posted January 1, 2010 Share Posted January 1, 2010 Here they let the muslims straight through and search me (I'm a very innocent looking, small white woman). TBH though, body scanners would give a little comfort over the people hiding under burkhas - never know whether it's even really a woman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DisQ Posted January 1, 2010 Share Posted January 1, 2010 TBH though, body scanners would give a little comfort over the people hiding under burkhas - never know whether it's even really a woman. reminded me of 21/7 failed bomber, escaping in a burkah who was well over 6ft tall! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patfig Posted January 1, 2010 Share Posted January 1, 2010 Here they let the muslims straight through and search me (I'm a very innocent looking, small white woman). Yes but that piercing makes you look like you have a hand grenade up yourself Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMAC67 Posted January 1, 2010 Share Posted January 1, 2010 Short answer....................NO...........................but it will make a few people very wealthy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeepLurker Posted January 1, 2010 Share Posted January 1, 2010 Yes but that piercing makes you look like you have a hand grenade up yourself OOOH... I hope that it doesn't go off! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bearwithasorehead Posted January 1, 2010 Share Posted January 1, 2010 I go through one of these full body scanners regularly in Moscow airport (as does everyone else getting on a plane there) - it takes less time than taking your shoes off, and I feel a whole lot safer for it. Another thing they have right here in Russia, is they are not scared to 'profile' people. If you are an old, white lady, people are polite, and let you through. If you are an angry looking single young man, you get stopped. Simple. And correct. They also kick a lot of dark-skinned people to death in Russia. But that's profiling for you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Three Pint Princess 2 Posted January 1, 2010 Share Posted January 1, 2010 Why don't the terrorists get a gun and some bullets then start shooting. Surely they could get hold of these and scare lots of people. Doesn't make sense to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Blair Posted January 1, 2010 Share Posted January 1, 2010 I'd like to add that in my more TFH moments I suspect that the nuclear power industry is one of the lobbies pushing for extreme security measures in airports. It would be simple self-preservation; one jetliner dropped onto a power plant anywhere in Western Europe/seaboard USA would cause so much damage that it would immediately end the nuclear power industry. speaking of which, i have read that one or more of the 9/11 "hijacked" airliners practically flew over indian point nuclear facility, the reactor building for which has minimal protection against a jetliner impact (see link below). near-term casualties from such an attack would have been a conservative 50,000 with a clean-up bill running to trillions of dollars together resulting in the likely economic devastation of the USA. that such an obvious target was ignored in favour of symbolic attacks on the (white elephant) WTC and the (recently reinforced part of the) pentagon does make me side with stromba in doubting the existence of al-qaida or indeed of any genuine islamic terrorist threat to the west. http://www.ucsusa.org/nuclear_power/nuclear_power_risk/sabotage_and_attacks_on_reactors/impacts-of-a-terrorist-attack.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccc Posted January 1, 2010 Share Posted January 1, 2010 Appears only 2 companies can produce these for the US. Article L3 Services OSI Systems Have a look at the work these companies do. Not a great surprise is it ? Lots of Government involvement. For L-3, Almost all military/combat/intelligence based. Lots of mentions of 'homeland security' and other such phrases. This L-3 company is frightening. Never even heard of them before. L3 Intelligence Division L3 'Services' Division Mini little CIA operation isn't it !! Not even that mini. And this is just one of a massive number of other divisions. These guys have serious teeth. L3 Divisions Have a look at this one Civil Defense Group Defence details The Joint Task Force-Civil Support (JTF-CS) plans and integrates U.S. Department of Defense (DoD) support for the designated lead federal agency for domestic chemical, biological, radiological, nuclear and high-yield explosives (CBRNE) consequence management operations. When directed by the Commander of the U.S. Northern Command, JTF-CS will deploy to the incident site, establish command and control of designated DoD forces, and provide military assistance to civil authorities to save lives, prevent injuries and provide temporary critical life support. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccc Posted January 1, 2010 Share Posted January 1, 2010 This is rather interesting. I know it is a conspiracy site but lots of good info. Allegations L-3 used to 'outsource' interrogations Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woot Posted January 2, 2010 Share Posted January 2, 2010 Passenger profiling needed as well as scanners, airlines chief warnsFull body scanners will not eliminate the terrorist threat to flying, the world's leading airlines have warned, calling for security checks to be focused on groups of passengers perceived to present the greatest risk. Security can only be guaranteed by making a risk assessment of people before they are even board an aircraft, said Giovanni Bisignani, director general of the International Air Transport Association. "Instead of looking for bad things—nail clippers and rogue bottles of shampoo—security systems need to focus on finding bad people," he said. ...Airlines fear that over-reliance of scanners and pat down searches of all passengers could bring airports grinding to a halt and "waste resources". Mr Bisignani added: “The air transport system cannot support 100% pat-down searches over the long term.” ..."Adding new hardware to an old system will not deliver the results we need. It is time for governments to invest in a process built around a check point of the future that combines the best of screening technology with the best of intelligence gathering. Such a system would give screeners access to important passenger data to make effective risk assessments," Mr Bisignani said. Targeting travellers seen as a potential threat - known as passenger profiling - remains controversial, with some critics arguing that it is potentially racist with Asian and Arab travellers more likely to be picked out than others. This last point goes to my post on page 1 of this thread, demonstrating the characteristics of those involved in the major terrorist events in the US and UK over the last 10 years. It is not racist - it is a logical conclusion and it would be absurd and illogical not to use the data presented to protect all - political correctness at its worst exposing us all to threat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y-QUERK Posted January 2, 2010 Share Posted January 2, 2010 This last point goes to my post on page 1 of this thread, demonstrating the characteristics of those involved in the major terrorist events in the US and UK over the last 10 years. It is not racist - it is a logical conclusion and it would be absurd and illogical not to use the data presented to protect all - political correctness at its worst exposing us all to threat. Thats OK they'll just recruit athom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloo Loo Posted January 2, 2010 Share Posted January 2, 2010 They also kick a lot of dark-skinned people to death in Russia. But that's profiling for you what? checking Likely suspects more than unlikely ones leads to kicking to death? Id look for ....white beards, red suits and a bag full of gaily wrapped boxed things.....these people are evil...then again, they have their own aircraft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichB Posted January 2, 2010 Share Posted January 2, 2010 Security theatre is just about being seen to do something. Bit crap really, but good money for someone. Of course, given the Irish seem to be getting a bit uppity again, it would be short sighted to only focus on the brown skinned lot... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1929crash Posted January 2, 2010 Share Posted January 2, 2010 Heres a radical idea, flights for muslims only. Then the rest of us arent inconvenienced. They can serve halal food, no alcohol, flight attendents can be dressed approriately. Surely everyone would be happy then? If someone said to me, gay only flights. Only hunky male flight attendents, no having to put up with breeders illbehaved kids. Id jump at it. If you try and include everyone you get a low class mish mash where no one is happy. Exclusive is the way forward! What about Buddhists? They invented suicide bombing after all. You'd never be sure there weren't any hacked-off Buddhists around, would you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laurejon Posted January 2, 2010 Share Posted January 2, 2010 It is very well documented that in order to fight an enemy, you first have to research and know who your enemy is. I am shocked to find that recent reports from the pre Iraq invasion did not consider the civil war that would break out between Sunnis and Shiites. Our Government are a complete and utter failure and appear to be expert at manipulating the rules on expenses, but novices when it comes to global affairs. Imagine how well off we would all be today had this nation not been foolish enough to vote in the Labour party, not to mention the amount of lives saved. The fact remains that every terrorist attack against the UK or the US has been conducted by Muslims. So asking 70 year old Grannies who are white and clearly Christians to strip off and bend over for an internal examination is a waste of public assets. The solution is to ask all Muslims at airports to join a queue that has them all strip naked, ban all hand luggage, and have them sit in bomb proof areas of the planes. I am sure that moderate Muslims will be pleased to know they and their family will be safer when flying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newbonic Posted January 2, 2010 Share Posted January 2, 2010 Genuine question here. Does anyone actually know what Al Qaeda want? IRA wanted a united Ireland ETA want Basque independence from Spain What do Al Qaeda want? What is their aim? What are their demands? Do they even know what they want? One of their war aims is to reconquer Spain - they've talked about the 'tragedy of al-andalus' on several occasions. They're mighty pi$$ed off about losing Spain over 500 years ago, and in their heads any land that is once muslim is always muslim (a bit like you can't convert from islam without the severest penalties). See "In 1492, we lost everything" etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stormymonday_2011 Posted January 2, 2010 Share Posted January 2, 2010 One of their war aims is to reconquer Spain - they've talked about the 'tragedy of al-andalus' on several occasions. They're mighty pi$$ed off about losing Spain over 500 years ago, and in their heads any land that is once muslim is always muslim (a bit like you can't convert from islam without the severest penalties). See "In 1492, we lost everything" etc. I seem to remember that Islamic Spain had its own Caliphate for much its history and was not about to take orders from any other part of the Islamic world. This does not seem to tie in with Osama Bin Ladens deam of a single Caliph ruling all Muslims. However, a grasp of the history of their own religion is not really the average Islamic nut jobs strongest point but then why think when you can just rant. BTW on the subject of passenger profiling El Al have done it for years very successfully. Of course, they do it themselves and do not rely on the monkeys employed by the BAA etc http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/El_Al Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrs Bear Posted January 3, 2010 Share Posted January 3, 2010 BTW on the subject of passenger profiling El Al have done it for years very successfully. Of course, they do it themselves and do not rely on the monkeys employed by the BAA etc Yes, and until all airlines are equally vigilant all the other measures (like taking all ten fingerprints in US, as happened to me recently) will be pretty much a waste of time. It was way back when El Al picked up the lone Irish woman from the moment she first entered their office to book a ticket. She rang alarm bells from the word go - she simply wasn't 'right'. And no wonder, when some ******* had pretended he was in love with her and told her they'd get married in Israel. Eventually the poor naive thing even packed a wedding dress in the suitcase with which he was going to blow up not only her, but everybody else on that plane. I still think about that poor woman. How must she have felt when she found out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laurejon Posted January 3, 2010 Share Posted January 3, 2010 Genuine question here. Does anyone actually know what Al Qaeda want? I have the answer to this. They want the wages they were promised by the US which hasnt paid them since setting them up to fight the russians in Afghanistan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1929crash Posted January 3, 2010 Share Posted January 3, 2010 Genuine question here. Does anyone actually know what Al Qaeda want? I have the answer to this. They want the wages they were promised by the US which hasnt paid them since setting them up to fight the russians in Afghanistan. Excellent point! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gone baby gone Posted January 3, 2010 Share Posted January 3, 2010 Bad news: The longer queues will happen, but the increased safety... nope! Somewhere, somebody is making a lot of money out of this... http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/are-planned-airport-scanners-just-a-scam-1856175.html Are planned airport scanners just a scam? New technology that Gordon Brown relies on for his response to the Christmas Day bomb attack has been tested – and found wanting The explosive device smuggled in the clothing of the Detroit bomb suspect would not have been detected by body-scanners set to be introduced in British airports, an expert on the technology warned last night. The claim severely undermines Gordon Brown's focus on hi-tech scanners for airline passengers as part of his review into airport security after the attempted attack on Flight 253 on Christmas Day. The Independent on Sunday has also heard authoritative claims that officials at the Department for Transport (DfT) and the Home Office have already tested the scanners and were not persuaded that they would work comprehensively against terrorist threats to aviation. ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gone baby gone Posted January 3, 2010 Share Posted January 3, 2010 More travel news from the "land of the free" http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2009/12/tsa-withdraws-subpoenas/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichB Posted January 3, 2010 Share Posted January 3, 2010 Genuine question here. Does anyone actually know what Al Qaeda want? I have the answer to this. They want the wages they were promised by the US which hasnt paid them since setting them up to fight the russians in Afghanistan. Guess it depends on whether you believe the 'database' exists. Have a watch of the interesting Power Of Nightmares program the BBC showed back in 2005 http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/3755686.stm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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