1929crash Posted October 10, 2008 Share Posted October 10, 2008 A vote for any of these fekkers is a vote to remain in slavery.If everyone refused to vote, we'd be free from these slavemasters. They would have no mandate to steal from us. Suppose 99% of the population agree with you and didn't vote, that would still leave 1% and there would be someone who would get a plurality or majority of those votes. There would be a winner. Your argument makes no sense - it would be at least more convincing if you came up with a solution other than just sitting back and doing nothing. Like setting up another political party, standing for office yourself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUnknown Posted October 10, 2008 Share Posted October 10, 2008 Like setting up another political party, standing for office yourself. Big problem - to set up a party you need HUGE amounts of money and 'friends' in high places, otherwise I would be doing it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
secondhandsofa Posted October 10, 2008 Share Posted October 10, 2008 i wouldn't vote BNP because my wife is asian and my daughter mixed race and i would fear for the country the bnp would bring aboutand because these are the sort of people who get elected on their ticket Luke Smith (Burnley). Smith was forced to resign after he smashed a bottle into the face of a Leeds BNP organiser. Despite claiming to be the party of law and order, the BNP failed to call in the police and press charges. When Smith was chosen as a BNP candidate he had only recently been convicted of football violence. He has had several more convictions and was sentenced to 11 months’ imprisonment after being caught fighting in Manchester. Brian Turner Brian Turner (Burnley). In 2005 Turner was convicted of assaulting his wife and a police officer while a councillor, and ordered to do 100 hours’ community service, yet the BNP refused to disown him. On the contrary, the BNP defended him by issuing a statement saying: “we are not in the business of persecuting our members because the state considers someone guilty”. In 2006 he was convicted for racially abusing a group of Asian men, but ignored calls to resign. He has also been banned from every football ground in the country. Dan Kelley Dan Kelley (Barking and Dagenham). Kelley resigned from the council only eight months after being elected after admitting that he was completely out of his depth. “There’s meetings that go right over my head and there’s little point in me being there,” he told the local paper. Richard Mulhall Richard Mulhall (Calderdale). Mulhall was found guilty of benefit fraud in October 2006, including against the council on which he is BNP group leader, and sentenced to 200 hours’ community service. Although 97% of people in a local newspaper poll demanded his resignation, he remains in place. During his trial he declared: “I would not class myself as an intelligent person”. He was previously heavily involved in the nazi terror group Combat 18. Robin Evans Robin Evans (Blackburn). Evans left the BNP after complaining about the drug dealers and football hooligans who dominated his local BNP branch. He also criticised the Burnley BNP councillors as useless. He had previously admitted that council business was “mumbo jumbo” to him. After leaving the BNP he remained on the council describing himself as a national socialist until he lost his seat in 2004. David Watkins David Watkins (Sandwell). Dubbed “possibly the worst councillor in Sandwell”, Watkins attended just 10 out of 63 meetings. He gave up being a councillor after just one year. Julian Leppert Julian Leppert (Redbridge). In January 2007 Leppert attended a conference in London where he sat through anti-Jewish tirades from a close confidante of the Holocaust denier David Irving and from one of the leaders of the Islamic Party of Britain. Also present were the Epping Forest BNP councillors Sue Clapp and Peter Turpin. Rodney Law Rodney Law (Epping). His trade union, the RMT, threw him out for threatening the General Secretary during the 2006 local election campaign. As a councillor he spends his time scaremongering about crime committed by “inner city youths”. In fact residents of the three BNP wards are responsible for most of the crime in the area. He also attended the London antisemitic conference in January 2007. Claire Doncaster Claire Doncaster (Barking and Dagenham). Three months after being elected she was evicted from her council house for failing to pay £2,000 of rent arrears. She has failed to turn up to a single meeting of the tenants and residents group in her ward since being elected in May 2006. “That young lady is doing a disservice to our community,” said chair Darren Rodwell. “She was elected by residents of this ward to work within this ward. After six months she should have at least had the grace to come and meet the people she represents.” Sandra Doncaster Sandra Doncaster (Barking and Dagenham). Mother of Claire Doncaster, she too was taken to court for non-payment of council tax. She had not paid for two years and stacked up a debt of £2,170.34. It was not as though she could not afford it, she and her husband own a hotel in Sandown, on the Isle of Wight. Before becoming a councillor she was twice hauled before the courts for nuisance caused by her dogs, including killing pet cats. Angela Clarke Angela Clarke (Bradford). Clarke resigned from the council less than halfway through her term after fellow BNP members criticised her performance. In May 2006 she was fined £200 for resisting arrest during a fracas. Terry Farr Terry Farr (Epping Forest). Farr was suspended for three months by the local Standards Committee for writing abusive racist letters. An earlier complaint by him to the Standards Board for England resulted in a ruling that calling the BNP nazi was “within the normal and acceptable limits of political debate”. Ramon Johns Ramon Johns (Broxbourne). Although he promised to campaign for free bus passes for all elderly people, as soon as he was elected he voted against such a plan. James Lloyd James Lloyd (Sandwell). Lloyd campaigned on a ticket to make parents responsible for the crimes of their children. What he failed to tell voters was that his own son was one of the area’s worst offenders. Recently Lloyd put out BNP leaflets claiming that a local library building was going to become a mosque. When it was proved this was a lie he did not apologise but claimed that somebody had obviously made up quotes from him. In January 2007 the police applied to the council for his pub to be closed down after a series of violent incidents. Lloyd himself was the target of one shooting but he did not report it to the police. Carl Butler Carl Butler (Sandwell). He claimed, in a BNP leaflet, that he cleaned graffiti off the walls of a local pub, but the landlord dismissed this as a lie. Simon Smith Simon Smith (Sandwell). After being elected Smith ran a website that claimed the attack on the Twin Towers did not happen, declared the Holocaust was a lie and perpetrated other similar mad conspiracy theories. Geoffrey Wallace Geoffrey Wallace (Calderdale). Wallace jumped ship from the Tories when he thought he could not win a council seat under the blue flag but refused to call a by-election. He too stood on a ticket to help local people but his record proves he has done nothing of the kind. His recent performance in dealing with casework from residents is truly shocking and clearly demonstrates his inability to work for local people. In the four months to February 2006 he did only 14.5 hours casework, and all but three hours was in the last few weeks. Adrian Marsden Adrian Marsden (Calderdale). The absent councillor, Marsden attended just three council meetings in the six months to March 2006 and his work record for his ward constituents was even worse. However, he managed to find the time and strength to act as a bodyguard to BNP leader Nick Griffin during Griffin’s recent trial in Leeds. But what can you expect from a man with several convictions and a long history with the violent neo-nazi group Combat 18? Steve Batkin Steve Batkin (Stoke-on-Trent). Batkin attended none of a possible 30 committee meetings in the nine months to March 2005. Batkin only spoke twice in his first two years as a councillor and one of those times it was to ask what “abstain” meant. He was once told to stop talking to the media after he questioned key facts relating to the Holocaust, including saying that Jewish people refused to debate the subject because they would be exposed as liars. David Enderby David Enderby (Redditch). In January 2007 he was found guilty of three counts of assaulting members of his estranged wife's family. He was fined £100 for each assault and ordered to pay £100 costs. His wife later told the local paper that Enderby had a history of domestic violence. He remains a councillor. Soon after Enderby was elected in May 2006 his agent, Kevin Hughes, was sent to prison for a vicious and unprovoked racist assault on an asylum seeker. Maureen Stowe (Burnley). Stowe left the BNP after admitting that the party deliberately told lies to get elected. Her parting comment was: “This is the best thing I could have done. I’ve got a chance to do a lot of good. Now I think we can pull all the people of Burnley together to improve things for everybody. I keep asking myself how could I have been so stupid as to have anything to do with them.” Lawrence Rustem Lawrence Rustem (Barking and Dagenham). Of Turkish Cypriot origin, Rustem told London’s Turkish press that he supports the Grey Wolves, a Turkish fascist organisation responsible for an attempt to assassinate the late Pope John Paul II. Paul Cromie Paul Cromie (Bradford). Cromie came under investigation by council legal officers for giving £5 notes to local pensioners in Christmas cards in December 2006. Most of the pensioners were appalled at his action. After Cromie’s election in May 2006 police investigated allegations, which he denied, that he bought votes by giving £100 to pay for a Christmas party at the Goodwin House sheltered housing complex. Copy and paste job, a source should be provided. Paul Cromie his crime was giving some of his earning to local pensioners for a Christmas thank you....SHAME ON HIM!!! :angry: I mean thats disgusting compared to the saints in the LibLabCON, here is just a quick clip I found on youtube about a few of their councillors and their behaviour! VILE http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=MGuilGMQ230 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1929crash Posted October 10, 2008 Share Posted October 10, 2008 Big problem - to set up a party you need HUGE amounts of money and 'friends' in high places, otherwise I would be doing it! Why should that be the case? - the elite would have you believe that. If you wanted to start off, you just need a few colleagues, and you can contest local elections for next to nothing. Yes, you may need a lot of money for a general election, but you have to start somewhere. And the sums involved even for a general election are nowhere near as large in this country as they are in the USA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gormless Clown Posted October 10, 2008 Share Posted October 10, 2008 Has anyone proposed an alternative course of action? I have, I bet you knew that already though. How about Gordon addressing the nation, apologising for the mistakes he has made over the last 11 years as chancellor and then as self appointed dictator. He should then tell his followers (Labour voters) to apologise to everyone else in the country for their part in this mess and then in a rare act of decency from a Labour man take his own life in front of the baying crowd ? That would possibly be the best course of action in my opinion. The other involves a splintered fencepost and Peter Mandelson but it’s not after 9pm yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1929crash Posted October 10, 2008 Share Posted October 10, 2008 Copy and paste job, a source should be provided. Paul Cromie his crime was giving some of his earning to local pensioners for a Christmas thank you....SHAME ON HIM!!! :angry: I mean thats disgusting compared to the saints in the LibLabCON, here is just a quick clip I found on youtube about a few of their councillors and their behaviour! VILE http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=MGuilGMQ230 And people who are not councillors never turn to crime, or lie, or cheat on their spouses? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cht Posted October 10, 2008 Share Posted October 10, 2008 There's lots of little parties out there. Greens, Libertarians, Christian alliance, legalise marijuana, UKIP. Some have even had success, but let's face it, the elite will sort themselves out. It's the way of the world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1929crash Posted October 10, 2008 Share Posted October 10, 2008 There's lots of little parties out there. Greens, Libertarians, Christian alliance, legalise marijuana, UKIP. Some have even had success, but let's face it, the elite will sort themselves out. It's the way of the world. I bet similar comments were made in discussions in the 1890s, before the Labour Party managed to get going. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker Posted October 10, 2008 Share Posted October 10, 2008 No. Because independence is at its heart about having pride in your own country (if you can understand such a concept). That's why he's skint academic and asking fer joobs....Caledondian ****. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest anorthosite Posted October 10, 2008 Share Posted October 10, 2008 That's why he's skint academic and asking fer joobs....Caledondian ****. He is a she, and she's half German & half English. But hey, don't let facts get in the way of your anti-Scottish rant, I'm sure it hasn't before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker Posted October 10, 2008 Share Posted October 10, 2008 The problem with this is that I agree with the health minister and hte home secretary, but there are plenty of dodgy businessmen who have sucessfully manufactured by slum wages and there are plenty of FDs of companies that were internationally successful 2 weeks ago that are ex-FDs of banks in recievership. I think we cowtow far too much to people who parade the right 'business' image - talking the big pushy talk and bullying the rest of us. Italy has an excellent ex-businessman as its Prime Minister: Tony's mate - Silvio Berlusconi. He even managed to change the law to prevent himself from being prosecutes for certain 'alleged' crimes. The Italians love him - by the way. Good system - innit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cht Posted October 10, 2008 Share Posted October 10, 2008 I bet similar comments were made in discussions in the 1890s, before the Labour Party managed to get going. And look what's happened to them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1929crash Posted October 10, 2008 Share Posted October 10, 2008 And look what's happened to them. My point is that it can be done. But even if you set up the perfect politcial party, you don't know what will happen to it a hundred years hence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker Posted October 10, 2008 Share Posted October 10, 2008 He is a she, and she's half German & half English.But hey, don't let facts get in the way of your anti-Scottish rant, I'm sure it hasn't before. Quod scripsi, scripsi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest anorthosite Posted October 10, 2008 Share Posted October 10, 2008 Quod scripsi, scripsi That's just stating the obvious in a pretentious way... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeaSoup Posted October 10, 2008 Share Posted October 10, 2008 Can we lobby for a new party formed of his highness Vince Cable, Tony Benn and Michael Portillo (cant believe I've come round on MP but that's middle age for you ) ? ... Anyone who's thinking of voting Labour.. I just say 'Hazel Blears'.... that should be enough to stop you... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gormless Clown Posted October 10, 2008 Share Posted October 10, 2008 Can we lobby for a new party formed of his highness Vince Cable, Unfortunately Vince has succumbed to senility recently when he asked for an interest rate cut during a high inflation period. He will be sadly missed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1929crash Posted October 10, 2008 Share Posted October 10, 2008 Unfortunately Vince has succumbed to senility recently when he asked for an interest rate cut during a high inflation period.He will be sadly missed. Presumably you are in favour of deflation and a full blown depression with mass unemployment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DementedTuna Posted October 10, 2008 Share Posted October 10, 2008 Lib-Dem. Tactical vote. Prefer UKIP but have to be realistic. Conservatives are guaranteed to win the next election, no matter what you do, sheeple vote guarantees it. Vote Lib Dem to put Labour into 3rd place, and make sure that the scum never gets a chance to even be opposition ever again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gormless Clown Posted October 10, 2008 Share Posted October 10, 2008 Presumably you are in favour of deflation and a full blown depression with mass unemployment. Pretty much. Deflation is what I want, get things back to sensible prices again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1929crash Posted October 10, 2008 Share Posted October 10, 2008 Pretty much. Deflation is what I want, get things back to sensible prices again. Your answer is as sensible as someone wishing for cancer to assist with their weight loss programme. With deflation you will have mass unemployment. How will you pay for a house if you have no job? Or do you believe that only other people will be made jobless? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickolarge Posted October 10, 2008 Share Posted October 10, 2008 The people who should be saying sorry are the Labour voters for the damage they have caused the country over the last 11 years. :angry: You really are a one trick pony. You came to this forum thinking you had this wonderfully original point to make...that Labour voters are to blame and should apologise for their foolishness. Are you a goldfish? You seem to keep forgetting that you have already made that point before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emlyn Posted October 10, 2008 Share Posted October 10, 2008 I've always viewed the Labour party as fundamentally good people who sadly are never any good at actually doing anything in practice and the Tories as fundamentally bad people who are sadly very good at it. The LibDems are soft Labour or soft Tories depending on where you live. They can be good individually as they know that they will never be held to account in practice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickolarge Posted October 10, 2008 Share Posted October 10, 2008 I've always viewed the Labour party as fundamentally good people who sadly are never any good at actually doing anything in practice and the Tories as fundamentally bad people who are sadly very good at it. The LibDems are soft Labour or soft Tories depending on where you live. They can be good individually as they know that they will never be held to account in practice. That would tally with my view but with a fair number of exceptions on both sides. Sadly the Labour exceptions often rise to the top but the Tory ones rarely do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gormless Clown Posted October 10, 2008 Share Posted October 10, 2008 How will you pay for a house if you have no job? This may be a concept a Labour man such as yourself may not be able to comprehend, but some of us have been prudent and have saved ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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