kzb Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 2 hours ago, winkie said: Beetroot juice delicious and good for you......beetroot grows easily in the UK, can eat the leaves full of iron........ easy to make yogurt and soft cheeses bottle of rennet, cheap and lasts ages......country wines worth a try, not difficult, tea wine and elderflower wine a good first try wine. No matter how many time you repeat it winkie there is no taurine in beetroot, and hardly any in yoghurt or cheese. There is some in certain seaweeds, but other than that vegans/veggies need the energy drinks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dweller Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 The Tory MP said: “We remain concerned about the location of the physical checks that will be undertaken for commercial loads. “Your Department informed us that Sevington will provide a modern and purpose-built site for goods and live animals that arrive through both the Port of Dover and Eurotunnel.” “Defra’s justification appears to be that it is located to support the smooth flow of goods out of both points of entry without disrupting traffic flows out of the Port of Dover. “However, the inland border facility at Sevington will require vehicles to travel 22 miles unsupervised across Kent, presenting potentially serious biosecurity risks, but also compromising compliance. “We understand that drivers will be under no obligation to go to Sevington, if asked to do so. As such, we have real and reasonable concerns about the geographic dislocation of the inland border facility from the point of entry.” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winkie Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 2 hours ago, kzb said: No matter how many time you repeat it winkie there is no taurine in beetroot, and hardly any in yoghurt or cheese. There is some in certain seaweeds, but other than that vegans/veggies need the energy drinks. Vegans will need vitamin b12 supplement. https://www.nutrition.org.uk/putting-it-into-practice/plant-based-diets/healthy-eating-for-vegetarians-and-vegans/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kzb Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 18 minutes ago, winkie said: Vegans will need vitamin b12 supplement. https://www.nutrition.org.uk/putting-it-into-practice/plant-based-diets/healthy-eating-for-vegetarians-and-vegans/ Everyone knows that one, but taurine hardly gets a mention in the mainstream. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lagarde's Drift Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 12 hours ago, kzb said: Price does not necessarily equate to nutritional quality. The cheapest white sliced loaf is just as bad or good (nutritionally) as a baton from the boulangerie. Lmao. No they're not. They might have different value to different people considering the price difference but they're not the same good/bad lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kzb Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 6 hours ago, Lagarde's Drift said: Lmao. No they're not. They might have different value to different people considering the price difference but they're not the same good/bad lol. What's the difference then ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dweller Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 Does anyone know if the £200 million for fruit & veg is on top of the £330 million for the other checks? https://www.theguardian.com/business/2024/jan/31/uk-new-border-controls-affect-plants-animal-imports Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Confusion of VIs Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 20 hours ago, kzb said: Price does not necessarily equate to nutritional quality. The cheapest white sliced loaf is just as bad or good (nutritionally) as a baton from the boulangerie. White bread is always going to be nutritionally poor but at least a freshly baked baton from a proper baker (not a supermarket look alike) is going to taste good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stewy Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 (edited) 26 minutes ago, Confusion of VIs said: White bread is always going to be nutritionally poor but at least a freshly baked baton from a proper baker (not a supermarket look alike) is going to taste good. I bet it's not as good fried in lard 🙂 Bread is just empty calories and useful as a wrapper for food on-the-go...that's about it... Edited January 31 by Stewy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kzb Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 7 minutes ago, Confusion of VIs said: White bread is always going to be nutritionally poor but at least a freshly baked baton from a proper baker (not a supermarket look alike) is going to taste good. Maybe, but that is not the point. They're both made with white flour after all. Another thing, if UK diet is the poorest in the EU, just bear in mind this was done whilst keeping to those famous "EU standards", and the fact that about half of it is coming from EU countries. So they've done it to us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Confusion of VIs Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 9 minutes ago, kzb said: Maybe, but that is not the point. They're both made with white flour after all. Your industrial bread is flour plus a list of preservatives emulsifiers etc. Best avoided 9 minutes ago, kzb said: Another thing, if UK diet is the poorest in the EU, just bear in mind this was done whilst keeping to those famous "EU standards", and the fact that about half of it is coming from EU countries. So they've done it to us. The EU has never told us what to eat. For some reason people in the UK consider good food a lower priority than in the rest of Europe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kzb Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 1 hour ago, Confusion of VIs said: The EU has never told us what to eat. For some reason people in the UK consider good food a lower priority than in the rest of Europe. Perhaps, but that is personal choice and market forces for you. We are free to travel to different retailers according to our preferences and to seek out the best value for money. Also online of course. Being a compact country with a largely urban population, we have a highly competitive grocery retail sector which has driven down prices quite effectively. So the market forces have been able to function effectively for the UK people in this instance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tw@t Badger Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 2 hours ago, Confusion of VIs said: Your industrial bread is flour plus a list of preservatives emulsifiers etc. Best avoided. Most mass produced loaves follow the Chorleywood recipe - using bleached white flour with lots of additives to extend shelf life. A good quality white loaf/stick will use unbleached flour and no preservatives. Tastes great but goes stale and mouldy quite quickly.......perfect for croutons or gazpacho soup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winkie Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 4 hours ago, Confusion of VIs said: White bread is always going to be nutritionally poor but at least a freshly baked baton from a proper baker (not a supermarket look alike) is going to taste good. It will stale faster.....plastic bread lasts longer because of additives/preservatives added.........long shelf life products are not the best products to buy if looking for the healthiest natural foods......frozen natural products not withstanding.....eg peas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jevans Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 On 1/28/2024 at 3:59 PM, Stewy said: It'll still be extremely Cheap and exceptional value. 👌 Food is highly expensive, you either pay in money or health. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stewy Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 Just now, jevans said: Food is highly expensive, you either pay in money or health. There are lots of healthy and cheap stuff...offal cuts, pilchards, root veg, frozen mixed veg. ✓✓✓ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winkie Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 10 minutes ago, Stewy said: There are lots of healthy and cheap stuff...offal cuts, pilchards, root veg, frozen mixed veg. ✓✓✓ Pasta using tinned sardines in olive oil, lots of recipes out there, cheap and very healthy, takes no longer than ten minutes to make. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dweller Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 (edited) On 31/01/2024 at 10:16, Dweller said: Does anyone know if the £200 million for fruit & veg is on top of the £330 million for the other checks? https://www.theguardian.com/business/2024/jan/31/uk-new-border-controls-affect-plants-animal-imports So will that be £200 million (fruit & veg) £330 million for the other checks from April and £250 million a year for the labels which I assume opens the door for all sorts of shit to be put in our food and because of what to get rid of all the EU red tape and to try to sort the not so small NI issue !!! https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/feb/01/post-brexit-food-labelling-rules-to-appease-dup-will-lead-to-higher-prices-says-industry?fbclid=IwAR1fEKezHoMBGnwxxUsxHu3yC36jvfrxNou9ZRyI69zLSmIjbfyppg29y2w She claimed the requirement would cost the industry about £250m a year and that the legislation would inevitably lead to a rise in prices for consumers. Edited February 2 by Dweller Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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kzb Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 1 hour ago, Dweller said: So will that be £200 million (fruit & veg) £330 million for the other checks from April and £250 million a year for the labels which I assume opens the door for all sorts of shit to be put in our food and because of what to get rid of all the EU red tape and to try to sort the not so small NI issue !!! https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/feb/01/post-brexit-food-labelling-rules-to-appease-dup-will-lead-to-higher-prices-says-industry?fbclid=IwAR1fEKezHoMBGnwxxUsxHu3yC36jvfrxNou9ZRyI69zLSmIjbfyppg29y2w She claimed the requirement would cost the industry about £250m a year and that the legislation would inevitably lead to a rise in prices for consumers. Let's get in in perspective. We import £58 billion of food per year so you are looking in the less than 0.5% region of notional added cost. Perhaps you should be pleased that our own farmers will have this slight edge over imported foods. After all there is infinite tears and hand wringing over Australian beef. That said, I don't know why we couldn't hold off a bit longer until our world-beating customs systems are brought into use. Also I don't see why we insist on rating EU crops as medium-risk when we could easily have rated them low-risk. It's all the rejoiners embedded in the state machine to blame for that I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yodigo Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 On 31/01/2024 at 10:16, Dweller said: Does anyone know if the £200 million for fruit & veg is on top of the £330 million for the other checks? https://www.theguardian.com/business/2024/jan/31/uk-new-border-controls-affect-plants-animal-imports £200m... or less than £4 per person per year. That's really going to break the bank, or just drop one MaccyDs a year - that may do you some good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yodigo Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 (edited) 1 hour ago, kzb said: That said, I don't know why we couldn't hold off a bit longer until our world-beating customs systems are brought into use. Also I don't see why we insist on rating EU crops as medium-risk when we could easily have rated them low-risk. It's all the rejoiners embedded in the state machine to blame for that I think. What, like the "beat the employees until they go to jail" Horizon system? Edited February 2 by yodigo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kzb Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 3 hours ago, yodigo said: What, like the "beat the employees until they go to jail" Horizon system? Don't be so cynical. I'm sure it will all work beautifully. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winkie Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 On 31/01/2024 at 13:15, kzb said: Perhaps, but that is personal choice and market forces for you. We are free to travel to different retailers according to our preferences and to seek out the best value for money. Also online of course. Being a compact country with a largely urban population, we have a highly competitive grocery retail sector which has driven down prices quite effectively. So the market forces have been able to function effectively for the UK people in this instance. Aldi and Lidl are helping keeping food competitive, without them our food would cost even more...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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