Rich couples moving to Europe

[debtlessmanc]

7 minutes ago, winkie said:

How are our teachers doing, going down the same road as the doctors and nurses, whilst the children suffer with inferior teaching from over stretched teachers, often having to  teach subjects they are not qualified in........lots leave and many more coming up for retirement that have not already retired....no more money.....anything the teachers get comes out of the same pot that is shared with the pupils.......next to be partially privatised. Small government that is unaccountable.....where pensions are unfunded......

The problem in southern europe is that the state simply cannot afford free high education etc. The UK can for the time being survive mainly because of the huge overseas fees some are willing to pay. Yes UK students pay (not in scotland). But they want to go to university, that is the reason it is economically viable really. Academics in the UK are reasonably well paid, that is why the staff are so international, which is a good thing.

Edited April 3, 2023 by debtlessmanc

[winkie]

Just now, debtlessmanc said:

The problem in southern europe is that the state simply cannot afford free high education etc. The UK can for the time being survive by charging fees mainly because of the huge overseas fees some are willing to pay.

So what you are saying our universities are only staying afloat because of the wealthy students from overseas...they are subsidising the £9k a year.....£40k overall our children get indebted for, often without a gainful career that will ever earn enough to repay it........just to pay wages and gold plated index-linked pensions.........many organisations today are there to run in the interests of those running it, rather than those using and paying for it..........some people are students forever.

[debtlessmanc]

6 minutes ago, winkie said:

So what you are saying our universities are only staying afloat because of the wealthy students from overseas...they are subsidising the £9k a year.....£40k overall our children get indebted for, often without a gainful career that will ever earn enough to repay it........just to pay wages and gold plated index-linked pensions.........many organisations today are there to run in the interests of those running it, rather than those using and paying for it..........some people are students forever.

its an international market, both for academics ans students. there are no gold plated pensions we lost those years ago

But yes it is becoming a money making exercise for some. The main complaint i here around is the level of bureacracy- its getting insane.

[winkie]

15 minutes ago, debtlessmanc said:

its an international market, both for academics ans students. there are no gold plated pensions we lost those years ago

But yes it is becoming a money making exercise for some. The main complaint i here around is the level of bureacracy- its getting insane.

Need other to interfere, keeps people employed doing things and undoing them....breaking it and mending it.....

Very many countries also encouraging international students.....very many of our own children go overseas to study and do well....both from wealth and lesser wealth.

 

There is no monopoly in a globalised world.

[NoHPCinTheUK]

80% of HE could be cancelled tomorrow and the only people noticing it would be the academics. Another massive bubble just ot keep 000s employed. Another Blair masterpiece. 

[debtlessmanc]

14 minutes ago, NoHPCinTheUK said:

80% of HE could be cancelled tomorrow and the only people noticing it would be the academics. Another massive bubble just ot keep 000s employed. Another Blair masterpiece. 

The problem is that people want it- its popular. You have to deal with that.

[onlooker]

6 hours ago, winkie said:

So what you are saying our universities are only staying afloat because of the wealthy students from overseas...they are subsidising the £9k a year.....£40k overall our children get indebted for, often without a gainful career that will ever earn enough to repay it........just to pay wages and gold plated index-linked pensions.........many organisations today are there to run in the interests of those running it, rather than those using and paying for it..........some people are students forever.

More than that. Many students from overseas, many of whom will not be wealthy, get their British qualifications and stay on in the UK, displacing British graduates from the job market. So the British graduates get poorer paying jobs, and British young people who didn't go to university might not get jobs at all. I would be ashamed to work in a British university which enables this.

[starclouds]

5 hours ago, onlooker said:

More than that. Many students from overseas, many of whom will not be wealthy, get their British qualifications and stay on in the UK, displacing British graduates from the job market. So the British graduates get poorer paying jobs, and British young people who didn't go to university might not get jobs at all. I would be ashamed to work in a British university which enables this.

If British kids did vocational training there are many jobs with, relatively, well paid career prospects in the trades. Huge trades shortages with no foreseeable end in sight.

[Bob8]

7 hours ago, onlooker said:

More than that. Many students from overseas, many of whom will not be wealthy, get their British qualifications and stay on in the UK, displacing British graduates from the job market. So the British graduates get poorer paying jobs, and British young people who didn't go to university might not get jobs at all. I would be ashamed to work in a British university which enables this.

This really comes down to the question of what creates wealth, is it wealthy people being rich or people working?

It is not completely clear cut, but if wealth come from rich people, then reducing the number of working people will help make the nation richer. If wealth comes from people working, then having more skilled workers will create more wealth.

[winkie]

8 hours ago, onlooker said:

More than that. Many students from overseas, many of whom will not be wealthy, get their British qualifications and stay on in the UK, displacing British graduates from the job market. So the British graduates get poorer paying jobs, and British young people who didn't go to university might not get jobs at all. I would be ashamed to work in a British university which enables this.

We have an open door for those who can pay to educate their kids coming from all over the world.....and yes many of them will be in competition with our graduates when get their working visas....sure they are not here to be brickies or plumbers......hence we have a big shortage in practical skill non vocational jobs.....many  Europeans that came to do those jobs have gone home.....big shortages of everything from hotel workers, waiting staff to electricians and plasterers....we turned all our technical colleges into lower grade universities...lower graded degrees, will these students with the same amount of debt want to do these jobs, having to train yet again to get them?

[winkie]

On 04/04/2023 at 03:18, starclouds said:

If British kids did vocational training there are many jobs with, relatively, well paid career prospects in the trades. Huge trades shortages with no foreseeable end in sight.

Yes, huge trade shortages.......we are partly to blame for it, shortages though are pushing up the prices of labour for trade services and care services..... thousands of highly skilled trades persons are retiring, for years they did not take apprentices on, highly regarded skills not passed on to next generation and technical colleges closed, because not made easy for them to do so....

The problem being everything including society is now monetised.......how best make the most money from people's wants and needs.......the more they want or need something the more money to be made........when what we are told or think we might need, we do not need it at all......are only needed for our money/debt.

[2rocketman]

How about Andorra? Low crime, low taxes, cheap cost of living, nice climate, borders Spain & France, excellent healthcare, picturesque landscape, good roads,no traffic and quality of life is the priority. 

[coypondboy]

On 4/3/2023 at 10:15 PM, onlooker said:

More than that. Many students from overseas, many of whom will not be wealthy, get their British qualifications and stay on in the UK, displacing British graduates from the job market. So the British graduates get poorer paying jobs, and British young people who didn't go to university might not get jobs at all. I would be ashamed to work in a British university which enables this.

You forgot the recently arrived immigrants whose children will be competing for your children's grammar school place

Medical school and other sought after degrees will become almost impossible for the average white collar intelligent kid as parents can't afford the fees/rents cost of living for clever archie so he will have to study in local area and miss out on being a Dr/Dentist.  I expect the recently arrive HK parents will be even more pushy than their Chinese compatriots already living here.   

[winkie]

So now we are not only in competition with poor people who work for less, undercutting the workers, we are also in competition with wealthy people who buy up our houses and their highly educated invested in children take our high paying jobs....... can't win.