Mapatasy Posted September 30, 2018 Share Posted September 30, 2018 (edited) 7 minutes ago, yelims said: How is that 500 million a week NOT going to NHS going? https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/sep/29/britain-bill-brexit-hits-500-million-pounds-a-week The actual message if you had listened and read into the red bus - like most who voted to leave - was 'Take Back Control' (says it twice on the bus as it happens). The EU extracts money from each member state and redistributes the capital in order to control society. The EU funds society in order to control society. Edited September 30, 2018 by Mapatasy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yelims Posted September 30, 2018 Share Posted September 30, 2018 Just now, inbruges said: Yes, I am sure your data is correct, and again I bet you could use the same suicide data with our welfare state compared to working people. I despise Labour for constantly keeping people on welfare, I think it's cruel the way they keep so many of them in a state that they are in, like keeping a polar bear or lion in a small cage. But I am as angry with today's Tories for not offering an alternative If only people could escape the trap and live and work freely elsewhere on this continent, its islands and peninsulas, if only Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yelims Posted September 30, 2018 Share Posted September 30, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Mapatasy said: The actual message if you had listened and read into the red bus like most who voted to leave was 'Take Back Control' The EU extracts money from each member state and redistributes the capital in order to control society. The EU funds society in order to control society. It literally says "We send the EU 50 million a day, lets fund the NHS instead" a giant ******ing whataboutism on 6 wheels This exercise is already costing the UK economy 71 million a day and UK still hasnt left Edited September 30, 2018 by yelims Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 30, 2018 Share Posted September 30, 2018 (edited) 10 minutes ago, yelims said: How is that 500 million a week NOT going to NHS going? https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/sep/29/britain-bill-brexit-hits-500-million-pounds-a-week Yawn This argument has been done to death. I was a Remainer on June 15th 2016 and I knew what that slogan meant as did most people, same old boring argument that has been going on for 2 years plus. It is actually as clear as it could be as I am reading it now, there is no message there saying "give the NHS 50 million per day", but it is saying money saved "could" go to the NHS if you so wished. Recently I have found myself in a position where I am not paying hardly any rent or mortgage, with the huge savings I could p**s it up a wall, save or go to Sikkim for a long holiday in April... COULD COULD COULD Edited September 30, 2018 by Guest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yelims Posted September 30, 2018 Share Posted September 30, 2018 (edited) 2 minutes ago, inbruges said: Yawn This argument has been done to death. I was a Remainer on June 15th 2016 and I knew what that slogan meant as did most people, same old boring argument that has been going on for 2 years plus. Remember to repeat this sentence when you and/or your family receive worse healhtcare from NHS (thats assuming its not privatised as per Brexiteer plans) and it costs you the life of your loved one or your own one. Brexit means being shafted up the **** Edited September 30, 2018 by yelims Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mapatasy Posted September 30, 2018 Share Posted September 30, 2018 2 minutes ago, inbruges said: Yawn This argument has been done to death. I was a Remainer on June 15th 2016 and I knew what that slogan meant as did most people, same old boring argument that has been going on for 2 years plus. Did you know if you mix all the letters up and play it backwards it says "the EU is a non democratic federalist movement"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mapatasy Posted September 30, 2018 Share Posted September 30, 2018 1 minute ago, yelims said: (thats assuming its not privatised as per Brexiteer plans) This is very interesting indeed... where did you get this information from? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 30, 2018 Share Posted September 30, 2018 9 minutes ago, yelims said: It literally says "We send the EU 50 million a day, lets fund the NHS instead" a giant ******ing whataboutism on 6 wheels This exercise is already costing the UK economy 71 million a day and UK still hasnt left Even if that was true and as a Remainer myself, who cares Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yelims Posted September 30, 2018 Share Posted September 30, 2018 2 minutes ago, Mapatasy said: This is very interesting indeed... where did you get this information from? http://uk.businessinsider.com/all-the-times-ukip-has-called-for-nhs-privatisation-nigel-farage-paul-nuttall-2017-2 https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/nigel-farage-nhs-might-have-to-be-replaced-by-private-health-insurance-9988904.html https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/ukip-general-secretary-calls-nhs-5037494 https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/selling-nhs-profit-full-list-4646154 https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top-stories/will-brexit-make-privatisation-of-the-nhs-more-likely-1-4896127 https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-uk-us-trade-deal-nhs-trump-theresa-may-alex-de-ruyter-a8390021.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/theresa-may-nhs-us-trade-deal-talks-privatisation-healthcare-trump-a8198871.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/theresa-may-donald-trump-nhs-us-trade-deal-brexit-torture-a7548156.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 30, 2018 Share Posted September 30, 2018 8 minutes ago, yelims said: Remember to repeat this sentence when you and/or your family receive worse healhtcare from NHS (thats assuming its not privatised as per Brexiteer plans) and it costs you the life of your loved one or your own one. Brexit means being shafted up the **** What do you care anyway, you are Irish ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Confusion of VIs Posted September 30, 2018 Share Posted September 30, 2018 5 minutes ago, inbruges said: Yawn This argument has been done to death. I was a Remainer on June 15th 2016 and I knew what that slogan meant as did most people, same old boring argument that has been going on for 2 years plus. Remainers may have been sceptical but many of the people who voted leave believed it. There was polling after the referendum about why people voted for Leave and more money for the NHS was the main factor for a lot more than the 1.2% required to swing the vote. I wonder how they would have voted if they had known that the reality was voting for Leave would result in an immediate loss to the NHS of around £3bn a year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mapatasy Posted September 30, 2018 Share Posted September 30, 2018 Just now, yelims said: http://uk.businessinsider.com/all-the-times-ukip-has-called-for-nhs-privatisation-nigel-farage-paul-nuttall-2017-2 https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/nigel-farage-nhs-might-have-to-be-replaced-by-private-health-insurance-9988904.html https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/ukip-general-secretary-calls-nhs-5037494 https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/selling-nhs-profit-full-list-4646154 https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top-stories/will-brexit-make-privatisation-of-the-nhs-more-likely-1-4896127 https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-uk-us-trade-deal-nhs-trump-theresa-may-alex-de-ruyter-a8390021.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/theresa-may-nhs-us-trade-deal-talks-privatisation-healthcare-trump-a8198871.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/theresa-may-donald-trump-nhs-us-trade-deal-brexit-torture-a7548156.html I see. You're inability to separate topics has lead you to believe that by going against brexit you are in fact saving the NHS? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pig Posted September 30, 2018 Share Posted September 30, 2018 57 minutes ago, inbruges said: For the same reason long term benefit cheats on housing benefit etc always want a soft touch Labour party That was the pre pre-referendum RW thinking - those feckless irresponsible PIIGS countries dragging everybody down. Enter Brexit referendum and suddenly it’s the comedy wailing and whining for poor poor Greece and the wicked (part British !) EU. A peculiar and sudden empathy for victimhood ? Just as ridiculous as Johnson and TTIP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yelims Posted September 30, 2018 Share Posted September 30, 2018 (edited) 4 minutes ago, inbruges said: What do you care anyway, you are Irish ? Weve been thru this, I have friends, relatives and colleagues in UK Not everyone gets a hard on for disaster capitalism brexit style 2 minutes ago, Mapatasy said: I see. You're inability to separate topics has lead you to believe that by going against brexit you are in fact saving the NHS? One of the outcomes of Brexit will be the loss of NHS, towards which money is not going as promised on side of buses Edited September 30, 2018 by yelims Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 30, 2018 Share Posted September 30, 2018 4 minutes ago, pig said: That was the pre pre-referendum RW thinking - those feckless irresponsible PIIGS countries dragging everybody down. Enter Brexit referendum and suddenly it’s the comedy wailing and whining for poor poor Greece and the wicked (part British !) EU. A peculiar and sudden empathy for victimhood ? Just as ridiculous as Johnson and TTIP. Whats happening in the EU country Greece is awful, and it's not the only country. In my opinion it is less the 50 50 that the EU will survive anyway in the next 10 years, Brexit or no Brexit. In fact, even if Brexit somehow was over turned next year, and even if the leavers on hearing that news thought "fair cop" and never took to the streets in anger/violence. The UK would still have a EU protest group, the EU would still have all it's problems and worst of all the UK would be divided for years . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mapatasy Posted September 30, 2018 Share Posted September 30, 2018 (edited) 10 minutes ago, yelims said: One of the outcomes of Brexit will be the loss of NHS, towards which money is not going as promised on side of buses Again... where are you getting this info from? Genuinely interested because I voted leave but am a big supporter of the NHS. Edited September 30, 2018 by Mapatasy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pig Posted September 30, 2018 Share Posted September 30, 2018 8 minutes ago, Mapatasy said: I see. You're inability to separate topics has lead you to believe that by going against brexit you are in fact saving the NHS? Oh - that’s clever. I mean bearing in mind Brexit has been superglued to all sorts of fairy’s and unicorns by its supporters while the Brexiteer VI’s and politicians work furiously to piggy-back this pile of sh1te on to the back of it. http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/brexit/2018/09/28/the-ieas-plan-a-for-free-trade-is-the-product-of-fanaticism/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Hun Posted September 30, 2018 Share Posted September 30, 2018 1 hour ago, yelims said: Maybe eventually it will sink into brexiteer brains that they have been taken for a ride and sold a porkie by various groups who definitely do not have their best intentions in mind. Brexit Britain sets itself up to learn the hard way https://www.ft.com/content/003c81a2-bfd2-11e8-95b1-d36dfef1b89a Leaving the EU will have to happen before they will believe the effect of it. BTW, my prediction for Brexit is a massive crash in the £, interest rate normalisation at 7% and millions out of work. Tax take collapse. Benefits slashed, inflation sky rockets. HPC ++ for those who have jobs. 15 year economic slump. "Great!" I here the leavers say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mapatasy Posted September 30, 2018 Share Posted September 30, 2018 6 minutes ago, pig said: Oh - that’s clever. I mean bearing in mind Brexit has been superglued to all sorts of fairy’s and unicorns by its supporters while the Brexiteer VI’s and politicians work furiously to piggy-back this pile of sh1te on to the back of it. http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/brexit/2018/09/28/the-ieas-plan-a-for-free-trade-is-the-product-of-fanaticism/ 97% of funding for economic research within the UK is funded by [guess who] the EU... LSE receive nearly 40% of their funding from the EU and have not exactly been shy about how anxious they are in respect to loosing that funding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rollover Posted September 30, 2018 Share Posted September 30, 2018 42 minutes ago, Mapatasy said: The actual message if you had listened and read into the red bus - like most who voted to leave - was 'Take Back Control' (says it twice on the bus as it happens). The EU extracts money from each member state and redistributes the capital in order to control society. The EU funds society in order to control society. If you follow what looks like Brexit telenovela, going and going on without nothing breakthrough happening in 100 episodes, 'Take Back Control' was lie as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yelims Posted September 30, 2018 Share Posted September 30, 2018 2 minutes ago, Mapatasy said: 97% of funding for economic research within the UK is funded by [guess who] the EU... LSE receive nearly 40% of their funding from the EU and have not exactly been shy about how anxious they are in respect to loosing that funding. Was that a deliberate typo? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mapatasy Posted September 30, 2018 Share Posted September 30, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, yelims said: Was that a deliberate typo? You spelt pedantic incorrectly. Edited September 30, 2018 by Mapatasy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 30, 2018 Share Posted September 30, 2018 13 minutes ago, Peter Hun said: Brexit Britain sets itself up to learn the hard way https://www.ft.com/content/003c81a2-bfd2-11e8-95b1-d36dfef1b89a Leaving the EU will have to happen before they will believe the effect of it. BTW, my prediction for Brexit is a massive crash in the £, interest rate normalisation at 7% and millions out of work. Tax take collapse. Benefits slashed, inflation sky rockets. HPC ++ for those who have jobs. 15 year economic slump. "Great!" I here the leavers say. Or winners and loser I hear them say. There is a few of your examples I can see that could be quite appealing to many leavers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yelims Posted September 30, 2018 Share Posted September 30, 2018 Brexit means loosing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Hun Posted September 30, 2018 Share Posted September 30, 2018 1 hour ago, Mapatasy said: Greeks voted to leave the EU and the Euro in their recent referendum No, they didn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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