MrPin Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 Mr Patel will most likely be Hindu. And dont blame Mr. Singh either.... Mr Patel was a Muslim gentleman! I knew that much, but I didn't ask which sort. He never exploded in the time I worked with him. I'm not sure all Sunni Muslims are terrorists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happy_renting Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 To be fair, a high ranking Iranian cleric has condemed the attacks I would expect most Iranians/ Shi'ites to condemn the attacks. ISIS are their enemies. Iran is fighting ISIS in Syria and Iraq. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrPin Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 To be fair, a high ranking Iranian cleric has condemed the attacks But he will be the other sort of Muslim, Shia. And we know how Iran and Iraq got on for a few years. I'm sure a lot of people, Muslim,Shia or Sunni, or not will condemn this! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knock out johnny Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 I would expect most Iranians/ Shi'ites to condemn the attacks. ISIS are their enemies. Iran is fighting ISIS in Syria and Iraq. Well yes, that was the point I was trying to make Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happy_renting Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 Absolutely don't get angry with the refugees, but the organisations that assisted Merkel's barmy open invitation. What could be more inequitable than concentrating resourses on homing a tiny fraction of would be (mainly young male) refugees, these resources should have been put into the really vulnerable in the camps and on a military solution to this crisis. I think the EU's response in league with lefty do gooders is in danger of completely destabilising Europe without actually solving anything. The EU's reponse is rather more a lack of response. Our EU leaders have been caught completely unprepared. Our (UK, EU, USA, NATO) record of military action has hardly been a success, at least in the eyes of any sensible person. Our government can't make up its mind whether it wants to fight ISIS or Assad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloo Loo Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 I don't know why people are equating this with the migrant crisis, closing down immigration is not going to stop terrorists who will arrive by air with a tourist visa. Preventing people from leaving Syria is like the police arriving at the Bataclan concert hall and just locking the doors and leaving the terrorists to finish the job. for fuchs sake people, grow a bit of humanity If anything allowing more migration and a truly integrated mixed society would make such attacks more difficult, heavy metal attracts an audience which is mostly white and male - if 20% of that audience had been muslim it wouldnt have been such an attractive target to these nutters. they dont want to integrate...thats one of the many problems with the Religion of Peace... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Hovis Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 That's like saying...... "Catholics Catholics Catholics. It's not Protestants, they are regarded as 'dogs' by Catholics and when you hear......" You'll have to forgive my simplistic 'I don't give a t**s' what they call themselves or the finer nuances of how they prey. They all worship Allah, Mohamed the Koran, etc. They are are Muslim and thus it is incumbent on the Muslim community to make itself heard. IF, as you assert, these acts are solely Sunni in origin then there should be no problem, or delay, in hearing unequivocal and unconditional condemnation of these attacks from Shia muslims. I've started my stopwatch. It is exactly like saying that. Whilst I certainly don't blame religion for the Ulster troubles it was certainly used as a divider and I don't think anybody at the time would have said "Protestant, Catholic, same thing". As other posters have said Shias are actively fighting ISIS, of course they will unequivocally condemn this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crashmonitor Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 I would expect most Iranians/ Shi'ites to condemn the attacks. ISIS are their enemies. Iran is fighting ISIS in Syria and Iraq. We need to get a coaltion force on the grounds starting with those that are actually doing something...Russia, Iran, Syria. Probably the biggest hurdle is getting the UK and US on board because of their atttitude to Assad. Basically we backed the wrong side and its time we came around to the Russian thinking on this. Sometimes you have to work with undesirables (like Stalin in world war two) to get a result. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Hovis Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 We need to get a coaltion force on the grounds starting with those that are actually doing something...Russia, Iran, Syria. Probably the biggest hurdle is getting the UK and US on board because of their atttitude to Assad. Basically we backed the wrong side and its time we came around to the Russian thinking on this. Totally agree but we won't. Israel wants Assad out as it removes a major threat to Israel (as was also the case with Saddam Hussein, Iraq may be a mess now but it is no military threat to Israel). The US will not go against Israel, and we will not go against the US. So rather than ally with Russia in supporting Assad we are edging towards a proxy war with Russia. Hey ho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richc Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 I don't know why people are equating this with the migrant crisis, closing down immigration is not going to stop terrorists who will arrive by air with a tourist visa. Preventing people from leaving Syria is like the police arriving at the Bataclan concert hall and just locking the doors and leaving the terrorists to finish the job. for fuchs sake people, grow a bit of humanity If anything allowing more migration and a truly integrated mixed society would make such attacks more difficult, heavy metal attracts an audience which is mostly white and male - if 20% of that audience had been muslim it wouldnt have been such an attractive target to these nutters. I'm curious just which Islamic beliefs and traditional middle eastern customs do you think we should all adopt as we create this "truly integrated mixed society", because getting everyone to eat the occasional falafel doesn't seem to have cut it with the Muslim community so far. Or is it just that you believe that the superiority of the Western European lifestyle and outlook is so obvious that anyone coming into contact with them will immediately adopt those beliefs? Your entire line of thinking here is nonsensical. You call for a mixed society, but what you really mean is that migrants should all convert to Guardian-reading, right-on types. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waynezilla Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 I wonder, if at some point in the future when we have travelled much deeper into the rabbit hole, if we will see where <enter European country here> Muslims loyalties truly lie. At crunch time, will they decide to be <enter European country here> or Muslim? At face value, the lack of integration appears that you cannot really be both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anonguest Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 To be fair, a high ranking Iranian cleric has condemed the attacks OK. That's a start. Was it unequivocal and unconditional? With absolutely none of the usual carefully slipped in 'but at the same time we must also condemn Western zionist agression......' sort of 'conditionality'? and is he Sunni or Shia? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichB Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 I wonder what the current death toll league is like? I mean which group had killed the most of which group. Obviously I know who's killed the most, but which teams are in the wrong division? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichB Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 Dup Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crashmonitor Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 Totally agree but we won't. Israel wants Assad out as it removes a major threat to Israel (as was also the case with Saddam Hussein, Iraq may be a mess now but it is no military threat to Israel). The US will not go against Israel, and we will not go against the US. So rather than ally with Russia in supporting Assad we are edging towards a proxy war with Russia. Hey ho. I tend to think you have also got to look at Assad's ''humanitarian crimes'' from the angle of what he is up against from the fanatical religious opposition. At the end of the day he has not in any way endangered innocent Westerners...meanwhile we have had to put up with slaughter of the innocents on our own door step and cage burnings and beheading from the Assad opposition. Trying to differentiate between good and bad rebels is very dangerous imo, I fully agree with the Russian view here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrPin Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 We always have nutters! Their "cause" is nothing to do with religion. It's tribal. Plenty of Muslims here already, and have been for years. I don't think they do bombs! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Hovis Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 I wonder, if at some point in the future when we have travelled much deeper into the rabbit hole, if we will see where <enter European country here> Muslims loyalties truly lie. At crunch time, will they decide to be <enter European country here> or Muslim? At face value, the lack of integration appears that you cannot really be both. France. 15% Muslim in the armed forces. There has already been one mutiny on a ship for religious reasons (objecting to the bombing of Kosovo). Muslim soldiers are three times more likely to desert and the French army has done confidential studies on the likely response in the event of needing to attack, in particular, Algeria. When you cannot rely upon your armed forces to do what is asked of them you are a failed country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Hovis Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 We always have nutters! Their "cause" is nothing to do with religion. It's tribal. Plenty of Muslims here already, and have been for years. I don't think they do bombs! Tube and bus bombings in London? Multiple foiled plots, Lee Rigby. It's not all flowers and sunshine in our garden. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpectrumFX Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 I don't know why people are equating this with the migrant crisis, closing down immigration is not going to stop terrorists who will arrive by air with a tourist visa. Preventing people from leaving Syria is like the police arriving at the Bataclan concert hall and just locking the doors and leaving the terrorists to finish the job. for fuchs sake people, grow a bit of humanity If anything allowing more migration and a truly integrated mixed society would make such attacks more difficult, heavy metal attracts an audience which is mostly white and male - if 20% of that audience had been muslim it wouldnt have been such an attractive target to these nutters. It's not a mixed society that fixes this. It's an assimilated one. Birmingham is the home of heavy metal, so people of the Muslim persuasion aren't not going to the concerts because none of them have had the opportunity to listen to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anonguest Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 My stopwatch is still ticking....... It's now 11.30am (London time) the morning after and the various news website pages have already got the usual quotes from various public figures all offering their condemnation and sympathies. Cameron, Corbyn, Archbishop of Canterbury...even Putin. But still not a single quote, I can see, from any leading muslim figures in the West. I'm sure it's just a case that it's because they're all in such a terrible state of shock that they haven't even been able to put pen to paper yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrPin Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 My But still not a single quote, I can see, from any leading muslim figures in the West. I'm sure it's just a case that it's because they're all in such a terrible state of shock that they haven't even been able to put pen to paper yet. There aren't any! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie_George Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 Well when Merkel opened the gates to all and sundry she guaranteed that any system vetting refugees and immigrants would be overwhelmed. It was an utterly, utterly stupid thing to do. +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lewis Gordon Pugh Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 If you look very closely, you can almost see the horse running towards the horizon in the distance as the stable door swings in the wind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Hovis Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 My stopwatch is still ticking....... It's now 11.30am (London time) the morning after and the various news website pages have already got the usual quotes from various public figures all offering their condemnation and sympathies. Cameron, Corbyn, Archbishop of Canterbury...even Putin. But still not a single quote, I can see, from any leading muslim figures in the West. I'm sure it's just a case that it's because they're all in such a terrible state of shock that they haven't even been able to put pen to paper yet. Read the lead story on muslimnews.co.UK Iranian President cancels visit and calls them crimes against humanity. Pakistan President also totally condemns them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrPin Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 Tube and bus bombings in London? Multiple foiled plots, Lee Rigby. It's not all flowers and sunshine in our garden. It never has been! How I got the piss taken out of me at school, for for being a bit Irish! I'm not to blame for Ulster pub bombings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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