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Companies Introduce Alcohol Test

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Well if they'd had that in when I worked in the City over half of my company would have been out, including me and all the executive directors!

Companies introduce fingerprint test to see if you are still drunk from the night before when you clock on for a day's work

AlcoSense TruTouch device gives a pass or fail result in just eight seconds

Will catch out employees who still have alcohol in system from night before

Public sector staff, transport and security industries likely to be targeted

Unions slam draconian tactics as using 'a sledgehammer to crack a nut'

Millions of workers could face a daily alcohol test using a fingerprint scanner before they start their jobs.

The new device which uses near infra-red light to measure blood alcohol content in the skin will give employers a result in just eight seconds, making it possible to test 450 employees per hour.

The AlcoSense TruTouch scanner will be ideal for companies to test if employees still have any alcohol in their system from the night before.

Public sector staff in local government and the NHS and workers in the transport and security industries are likely to be the first to be targeted.

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2313355/Companies-introduce-fingerprint-test-drunk-starting-days-work.html#ixzz2RJHGb0lM

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Whats the threshold going to be? If you've had 1 pint the night before? 2? I can understand those using heavy machinery or driving, but all staff?

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Whats the threshold going to be? If you've had 1 pint the night before? 2? I can understand those using heavy machinery or driving, but all staff?

Exactly. I'm always safe to drive but that wouldn't be good enough.

Bring on the Methodist / Muslim public sector.

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Me too Frank! It's different now! I never worked in the "City" BTW, unless that includes Welwyn?

Even the railway companies make sure the staff aren't pissed before they take a train out! 30 years ago that was not the case! :huh:

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i cant believe the unions will allow it. it makes sence in certian types of work, but not for all.

they wont target class A drugs, as the powers that be like them too much

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Me too Frank! It's different now! I never worked in the "City" BTW, unless that includes Welwyn?

Even the railway companies make sure the staff aren't pissed before they take a train out! 30 years ago that was not the case! :huh:

I meant Welwyn Mr Pin! ;)

What about insomniacs, people with concentration problems, issues at home, and most telling of all: illegal drugs.

All very hard to develop a test for so let's just go after the drinkers again.

It's heroin and coke speedballs for me from now on, I'm not risking losing my job.

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..aren't there certain jobs that write into the contract, that employees aren't allowed to drink - at all? I'm sure a friend of mine worked for a software company that forbid workers from smoking - even at home!

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When you two say "Welwyn", did you work for Tesco.com, too? Spooky...

Surely employers already have various statutes and rules about performance.

Which apply regardless of the reason. So if you're basically useless due to being slightly p****ed the morning after, I don't see how this is vastly different from being useless for any other reason that is not easily tested.

Unless your job requires some sort of co-ordination skills like driving, in which case, I think this is reasonable.

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..aren't there certain jobs that write into the contract, that employees aren't allowed to drink - at all? I'm sure a friend of mine worked for a software company that forbid workers from smoking - even at home!

IIRC NHS uniformed workers can be disciplined from smoking in uniform even at home, but I've not heard of this elsewhere.

When you two say "Welwyn", did you work for Tesco.com, too? Spooky...

Surely employers already have various statutes and rules about performance.

Which apply regardless of the reason. So if you're basically useless due to being slightly p****ed the morning after, I don't see how this is vastly different from being useless for any other reason that is not easily tested.

Unless your job requires some sort of co-ordination skills like driving, in which case, I think this is reasonable.

Reasonable on that basis but employers in my experience extend things that only really apply to certain people they need to keep an eye to everybody else "to be fair". One company wanted to keep an eye on certain employees who they didn't trust so put trackers in their vans but also put trackers in the vans of all the decent workers "to be fair". Result being everybody feels under surveillance because management won't deal effectively with skivers or, in your example, people who clearly have a drink problem that is affecting their work.

Sorry not worked in Welwyn like Mr Pin. Not actually been there as far as I can remember.

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Presumably the (dis)honourable members of the house of commons will be among the early adopters.

On reflection though, wasn't Winston Churchill well known for turning up "tired and emotional"?

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I worked with someone who frequently turned up smelling like a brewery as the had got in a 4am.... Turned up for work at 8am.

No need to test them if they where over the limit, they looked it and smelt it.

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I worked with someone who frequently turned up smelling like a brewery as the had got in a 4am.... Turned up for work at 8am.

No need to test them if they where over the limit, they looked it and smelt it.

I worked with someone who chased the dragon. At lunchtime. Before driving a fork lift truck in a solvents factory.

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What's ok? Mandatory testing every time you work? Random sampling of the workforce? 50% a year? 25%? 10%? 5%? No testing at all?

it aldepends on the job, IMO.

testing every day if you are just a secretary is pointless, but if your a train drive then yes.

but to me its not just the testing, its the accpetable limit. most jobs you'll be fine for if you can legally drive to the job. but some will require you to be 100% T-total.

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it aldepends on the job, IMO.

testing every day if you are just a secretary is pointless, but if your a train drive then yes.

but to me its not just the testing, its the accpetable limit. most jobs you'll be fine for if you can legally drive to the job. but some will require you to be 100% T-total.

would this include testing for certain medicines too?

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To put some perspective on this, when I worked in the mining sector (Oz) it would take 4-5 cans of ordinary piss ( a apt name for Aussie beer) drunk between 7and 10pm to get the breatho test to register a miniscule reading at 5am. A I did the breatho tests I did this experiment in the interests of research :D

So assuming similar sensitivity you could drink 4-5 pints of a evening and not likely trigger a positive reading at 8am the next day.

Tip - fructose speeds up alcohol metabolism ;)

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To put some perspective on this, when I worked in the mining sector (Oz) it would take 4-5 cans of ordinary piss ( a apt name for Aussie beer) drunk between 7and 10pm to get the breatho test to register a miniscule reading at 5am. A I did the breatho tests I did this experiment in the interests of research :D

So assuming similar sensitivity you could drink 4-5 pints of a evening and not likely trigger a positive reading at 8am the next day.

Tip - fructose speeds up alcohol metabolism ;)

Depends if there would be a threshold set (say, such as the UK drink driving level), or whether it will detect to see if there are any trace elements in the blood? - which I suppose would be a level of "zero tolerance"...

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Depends if there would be a threshold set (say, such as the UK drink driving level), or whether it will detect to see if there are any trace elements in the blood? - which I suppose would be a level of "zero tolerance"...

The meter I had measured down to 10 microgramme of alcohol per litre of breath (Oz and UK DD limit is 350). In the scenario I describe after 4 cans at 7-10pm at 5am I would typically read 10-20 microgrammes

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The meter I had measured down to 10 microgramme of alcohol per litre of breath (Oz and UK DD limit is 350). In the scenario I describe after 4 cans at 7-10pm at 5am I would typically read 10-20 microgrammes

Great - just buy some ethanol mouthwash and all is explained why your eyes are bloodshot and you can't walk straight! :D

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What's ok? Mandatory testing every time you work? Random sampling of the workforce? 50% a year? 25%? 10%? 5%? No testing at all?

Those involved in dangerous occupations, handling significant amounts of other people's money, senior executives and, of course, politicians.

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To put some perspective on this, when I worked in the mining sector (Oz) it would take 4-5 cans of ordinary piss ( a apt name for Aussie beer) drunk between 7and 10pm to get the breatho test to register a miniscule reading at 5am. A I did the breatho tests I did this experiment in the interests of research :D

So assuming similar sensitivity you could drink 4-5 pints of a evening and not likely trigger a positive reading at 8am the next day.

Tip - fructose speeds up alcohol metabolism ;)

Hahaha "the breatho" - how very Australian.

You are Alf Stewart off Home and Away and I claim my five flamin' gallahs.

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Presumably the (dis)honourable members of the house of commons will be among the early adopters.

On reflection though, wasn't Winston Churchill well known for turning up "tired and emotional"?

The expression 'tired and emotional' was first applied to dipsomaniac Labour Government Minister George Brown back in the 1960's , I believe.

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The expression 'tired and emotional' was first applied to dipsomaniac Labour Government Minister George Brown back in the 1960's , I believe.

Yes. Was it Private Eye who coined the phrase?

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