Guest_ringledman_* Posted March 25, 2011 Share Posted March 25, 2011 From what I can see Milliband's lurch to the left is only good for the tories. So he's aligning himself further with the Unions, students and public sector who would vote for him anyway. What about middle England; Mondeo Man? What does the real vote decider think of Ed? From what I can see working in the private sector, the cuts are a total irrelevance. No one in the private sector discusses the cuts like the public broadcasting corporation would make us believe. If anything lurching to the socialist view is a real turn off for the tax payers outside of the public sector. Discuss..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jammo Posted March 25, 2011 Share Posted March 25, 2011 Elocution lessons might be more of a boon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ken_ichikawa Posted March 25, 2011 Share Posted March 25, 2011 Doesn't matter, as long as he tells the lies people want to hear he'll be voted for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'Bart' Posted March 25, 2011 Share Posted March 25, 2011 Doesn't matter, as long as he tells the lies people want to hear he'll be voted for. That's pretty much it in a nutshell. Plus he won't be the "current lot" which is always a bonus for politicians in tough economic times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mentholist Posted March 25, 2011 Share Posted March 25, 2011 Never underestimate how stupid the British public are. Labour are winning this argument comprehensively. Only when the IMF show up will anyone question what happened. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest_ringledman_* Posted March 25, 2011 Author Share Posted March 25, 2011 (edited) Never underestimate how stupid the British public are. Labour are winning this argument comprehensively. Only when the IMF show up will anyone question what happened. But are they really when the latest polls say something like 58% support the cuts or want deeper cuts? Outside of the core left, what do people really think? Does middle England honestly believe Labour still? Personally I think in the back of the average electorate's mind they know that Labour are damaging to the economy but don't quite know how. Edited March 25, 2011 by ringledman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Number79 Posted March 25, 2011 Share Posted March 25, 2011 (edited) He will oppose everything and promise better for every second until he is in power and is passed the baton. Edited March 25, 2011 by richyc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ralphmalph Posted March 25, 2011 Share Posted March 25, 2011 When the IMF show up it will be Thatcher's fault. This is true. That Nasty Thatcher got her self into number 10, hypnotised Brown and he went spending dollaly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berk-hater Posted March 25, 2011 Share Posted March 25, 2011 I like to think that the Balls and Milliband show which is constantly on telly is boring the pants off the majority of middle England. Meanwhile David and George have decided to do what Brown only talked about, getting on with the job. They don't waste buckets of media time every single day "getting their message across". I think over time the current govt. will start to be seen as a committed serious govt., in contrast to the old spin and media wash that we became accustomed to under Labour. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crash2006 Posted March 25, 2011 Share Posted March 25, 2011 I like to think that the Balls and Milliband show which is constantly on telly is boring the pants off the majority of middle England. Meanwhile David and George have decided to do what Brown only talked about, getting on with the job. They don't waste buckets of media time every single day "getting their message across". I think over time the current govt. will start to be seen as a committed serious govt., in contrast to the old spin and media wash that we became accustomed to under Labour. yer right, if the ywanted to get the ball rolling they would lower NI payments made by companies and keep corporation tax as it was, lowering ni rates would create more jobs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest_ringledman_* Posted March 25, 2011 Author Share Posted March 25, 2011 I like to think that the Balls and Milliband show which is constantly on telly is boring the pants off the majority of middle England. Meanwhile David and George have decided to do what Brown only talked about, getting on with the job. They don't waste buckets of media time every single day "getting their message across". I think over time the current govt. will start to be seen as a committed serious govt., in contrast to the old spin and media wash that we became accustomed to under Labour. I see this as well. I think a lot of people are getting tired of the whole 'cuts' and 'austerity' rhetoric. Most voters don't really want to discuss economics on a daily basis and this is possibly where Labour are failing. They are pushing the cuts spin so much that most outside of the core left are totally bored with the issue. As such voters are somewhat turned off by the whole austerity discussion and not interested in discussing the cuts that they believe are innevitable and required. Therefore a government that gets on with the daily job and doesn't bother with daily discussion on the pros and cons of cutting or the rate of deficit reduction is quite likeable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Number79 Posted March 25, 2011 Share Posted March 25, 2011 What is the percentage of voters that were part of a bloated and wasteful public sector or on the benefits gravy train or given a british passport to free houses and money? Is it any wonder that there is such support for labour and a reluctance to cut up the barclaycard? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berk-hater Posted March 25, 2011 Share Posted March 25, 2011 yer right, if the ywanted to get the ball rolling they would lower NI payments made by companies and keep corporation tax as it was, lowering ni rates would create more jobs. ********. Lower Employer NI would just increase profits for existing employers, they'd take it in order to keep up their margins. Lowering corporation tax would encourage business to this country and help prevent existing ones leaving. You listen to too much of that spin and crap that comes out of Balls's mouth, or is it his ****, I can never tell as they both spew shit and sound the same. You must remind me sometime who put NI up? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berk-hater Posted March 25, 2011 Share Posted March 25, 2011 I see this as well. I think a lot of people are getting tired of the whole 'cuts' and 'austerity' rhetoric. Most voters don't really want to discuss economics on a daily basis and this is possibly where Labour are failing. They are pushing the cuts spin so much that most outside of the core left are totally bored with the issue. As such voters are somewhat turned off by the whole austerity discussion and not interested in discussing the cuts that they believe are innevitable and required. Therefore a government that gets on with the daily job and doesn't bother with daily discussion on the pros and cons of cutting or the rate of deficit reduction is quite likeable. I agree with you, for agreeing with me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berk-hater Posted March 25, 2011 Share Posted March 25, 2011 What is the percentage of voters that were part of a bloated and wasteful public sector or on the benefits gravy train or given a british passport to free houses and money? Is it any wonder that there is such support for labour and a reluctance to cut up the barclaycard? Exactly. Too easy, for too long, for too many. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shipbuilder Posted March 25, 2011 Share Posted March 25, 2011 Someone who looks and talks like Milliband will never be voted in as Prime Minister, irrespective of policies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hirop Posted March 25, 2011 Share Posted March 25, 2011 I never felt more lied to by a goverment than with Blair, but Brown I always knew was a ******* disaster waiting to happen. I don't think Milliband is electable as a prime minister because he is really just an extention of that regime - up to his neck in it with Balls in tow. For all his bluster, he has no natural charm or guile, lacks sincerity, and he just has no connection to the man in the street. He is a political engineer of the worst kind, an expert exponent of sound bites and spin, and all that in combination, is not electable in the normal run of things at the moment. Should the coalition fail mid-term, he might get a crack at it, but over the normal course of things he has nae chance of being a prime minister. To be elected prime minister, at some point you need to stop mouthing sound bites, and deliver a message with clarity, integrity and most importantly appear to be honest in that you believe what you are saying. Listening to Milliband you don't ever get that; you just get standard politico evasiveness, avoiding answering direct questions, refusal to address hard issues, sound bite central - thats not a leader in waiting. I think he might be a patsy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berk-hater Posted March 25, 2011 Share Posted March 25, 2011 And look who just decided to allow MPs to get more free money on expenses ... that's right the Tories. My understanding is that decision is entirely independent of the govt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berk-hater Posted March 25, 2011 Share Posted March 25, 2011 I never felt more lied to by a goverment than with Blair, but Brown I always knew was a ******* disaster waiting to happen. I don't think Milliband is electable as a prime minister because he is really just an extention of that regime - up to his neck in it with Balls in tow. For all his bluster, he has no natural charm or guile, lacks sincerity, and he just has no connection to the man in the street. He is a political engineer of the worst kind, an expert exponent of sound bites and spin, and all that in combination, is not electable in the normal run of things at the moment. Should the coalition fail mid-term, he might get a crack at it, but over the normal course of things he has nae chance of being a prime minister. To be elected prime minister, at some point you need to stop mouthing sound bites, and deliver a message with clarity, integrity and most importantly appear to be honest in that you believe what you are saying. Listening to Milliband you don't ever get that; you just get standard politico evasiveness, avoiding answering direct questions, refusal to address hard issues, sound bite central - thats not a leader in waiting. I think he might be a patsy. I think you're absolutely right. It's going to take a bit of time for the general public to get used to what real leadership and action really means, looks like and sounds like, what "getting on with the job" is, what it really means to "do the right thing" and "make tough decisions". But when they do they'll cringe every time a Labour gobshite opens his mouth. The "hard working families" will eventually realise what a pup they were sold by Labour and like Mondeo Man of old will warm to the Conservatives. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Number79 Posted March 25, 2011 Share Posted March 25, 2011 I never felt more lied to by a goverment than with Blair, but Brown I always knew was a ******* disaster waiting to happen. I don't think Milliband is electable as a prime minister because he is really just an extention of that regime - up to his neck in it with Balls in tow. For all his bluster, he has no natural charm or guile, lacks sincerity, and he just has no connection to the man in the street. He is a political engineer of the worst kind, an expert exponent of sound bites and spin, and all that in combination, is not electable in the normal run of things at the moment. Should the coalition fail mid-term, he might get a crack at it, but over the normal course of things he has nae chance of being a prime minister. To be elected prime minister, at some point you need to stop mouthing sound bites, and deliver a message with clarity, integrity and most importantly appear to be honest in that you believe what you are saying. Listening to Milliband you don't ever get that; you just get standard politico evasiveness, avoiding answering direct questions, refusal to address hard issues, sound bite central - thats not a leader in waiting. I think he might be a patsy. You miss the fact that the public swallow sound bites, that is why they use them. During their reign labour extended the benefit system to masses of the country and to masses of immigrants along with creating a massive public sector. All of those people will breed and are only concerned with their own welfare. Labour have guaranteed an army of future support and god help us all next time they get in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest_ringledman_* Posted March 25, 2011 Author Share Posted March 25, 2011 (edited) Listening to Milliband you don't ever get that; you just get standard politico evasiveness, avoiding answering direct questions, refusal to address hard issues, sound bite central - thats not a leader in waiting. I think he might be a patsy. He was on TV earlier saying how everyone must go on the march tomorrow to protest agaisnt the cuts. He then got questioned about whether he would cut if in government now and he said, well yes. This two sided approach does not go down well, it displays a huge lack of trust and shows the bull****ing, spin side of Labour that we have had since 97. I don't think people want this again in government. Likewise Balls was on Jeff Randell last night and when asked what he would cut it amounted to £2B. Randell (the legend) said they had £40B to cut this year, yet Balls refused to answer any more than the £2B. I think people are starting to question Labour - Where the f*** do they stand? This sort of side-stepping behaviour makes you unelectable. Thank fuk. Edited March 25, 2011 by ringledman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berk-hater Posted March 25, 2011 Share Posted March 25, 2011 I know it may well be, but it's spin my friend, spin. It happened on Dave's watch and so it is Tory policy. Spin ,like every bad thing during the last 13 years was down to Thatcher. My apologies, I'd taken your comment as read, without seeing the sarcasm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shipbuilder Posted March 25, 2011 Share Posted March 25, 2011 To be elected prime minister, at some point you need to stop mouthing sound bites, and deliver a message with clarity, integrity and most importantly appear to be honest in that you believe what you are saying. Both Blair and Cameron have proven you wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickolarge Posted March 25, 2011 Share Posted March 25, 2011 But are they really when the latest polls say something like 58% support the cuts or want deeper cuts? Outside of the core left, what do people really think? Does middle England honestly believe Labour still? Personally I think in the back of the average electorate's mind they know that Labour are damaging to the economy but don't quite know how. You guys make me laugh. On the one hand the great unwashed are too thick to do anything but but believe any lie they are told but on the other hand 58% support the cuts (and that is a measure of intelligence?). Ahh, hold on, they support the cuts but only because of some vague instinct at the back of their tiny minds! And of course they are far too thick to figure out why they have that niggling feeling. It must be great to have an unblinking faith in the idea that you are 100% correct because you've mustered your massive intellect and had a good old think about economics and come up with the solution to Britain's woes. Isn't it a pity that the rest of us thickies will never be able to grasp any of it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickolarge Posted March 25, 2011 Share Posted March 25, 2011 He will oppose everything and promise better for every second until he is in power and is passed the baton. Did you copy and paste this from an old post about Cameron before he failed to win the last election Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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