Are You Terrified About What Will Happen To This Country?

[longtomsilver]

Vietnam. Iraq.

I have the 'Whose Your Baghdaddy' t-shirt. Iraq was a walk in the park but for the IEDs, mortars and ambushes. The really scary thing for me is that the Iraqi people were mostly desperately poor but had a true sense of togetherness and community. A proper 'Big Society' with morals and values. When the shit hits the fan in the UK I'd know where I'd rather be again.

Wealth is becoming increasing polarised. If the middle classes become extinct then there'll be a serious dent in aspirations for the working classes. Money will cease to have any meaning and the wealthy will be unable to motivate the proles with it. Believe me they are just as scared by this as 1million wealthy up against 65million angered proles will turn out messy in a rebalancing and redistribution of land.

[Fudge]

Society will get a lot more violent, its already happening.

When people can generally get by they are normally law abiding but when people lose their jobs and houses they dont respect the law.

Crime will increase which will increasingly go unsolved and unpunished.

People will get more tribal. More violence between races.

The rich will be able to afford private security but for everyone else it will be a harsher and more brutal place.

[cakehead]

Society will get a lot more violent, its already happening.

When people can generally get by they are normally law abiding but when people lose their jobs and houses they dont respect the law.

Crime will increase which will increasingly go unsolved and unpunished.

People will get more tribal. More violence between races.

The rich will be able to afford private security but for everyone else it will be a harsher and more brutal place.

And a very merry Christmas to one and all..!

[erranta]

Just out of interest, how old are you? I ask that because the 90's crash was mainly down to the ERM debacle and not a false credit boom.

The false credit boom was from approx 1999 until 2008, we should have had a bust in 2000/2001 due to the dot.com bubble bursting and - apparently - 9/11 but the fed and UK BoE lowered interest rates thereby adding more punch to the bowl! Hence why the hangover really f*cking hurts at the moment!

Yep yet another example of our leaders/MAN interfering with the natural way of things leading to disaster.

But then Rothschilds and the Globalists/illuminati etc have always intended to get countries down on their knees so that they can implement their evil systems and covertly complete the takeover.

Devil's Punch Bowl (Lowland Heath with a large heather-filled basin . . . . . A3)

Rip-off Britain, Bosses gorging themselves on wealth at the expense of workers (all integrity/morality thrown out the window), throwing your job away at the drop of a hat to give to a foreigner, MP's and Lords grabbing, selfish and pocket filling (letting the lawyers create laws to allow the supa-rich avoid paying their share of taxes back into society) are all the symptoms of their insipid, vile 'creation'

Edited December 17, 2010 by erranta

[kingsgate]

Iceland: small, self-contained nation, never a traditional destination for mass immigration, energy self-reliant and energy self-sustainable, homogeneous race, homogeneous religion, homogeneous culture, abundant natural and healthy food supply.

Britain: errrmmm... ...oh dear

We could always get back to being more homogenous, if we really wanted.

No-one every properly asked the existing homogenous population if they wanted to have the population of Britain massively changed by an influx of people from countries whose own populations had turned them into crap places to live.

[SarahBell]

My parents generation lived throgh World War 2. Could anything be more terrifying than that?

They should replace all x-factor type stuff with footage of the blitz and general chaos a war at home brings.

[winkie]

Yes, this is like 1980 or 1981, it started to pick up around 1985 and the time frame will probably be similar this time, the current government will need to go into the next election with the pain out of the way.

To be honest I do not remember the early 80's being that bad....I remember the high interest rates, I remember job losses and the closure of the coal mines and other manufacturing industries, but houses were dirt cheap, for example a 4 bed double fronted Victorian bay windowed house in North London cost around £40k.....how bad it was depended I think on where you lived at the time.....this time I think it will be different a whole new kettle of fish.

[Bob Loblaw]

We could always get back to being more homogenous, if we really wanted.

No-one every properly asked the existing homogenous population if they wanted to have the population of Britain massively changed by an influx of people from countries whose own populations had turned them into crap places to live.

Trouble is Labour have done a sterling job of making people terrified of voicing an opinion on the matter.

[PopGun]

Trouble is Labour have done a sterling job of making people terrified of voicing an opinion on the matter.

Very true. Nothing wrong with mixing races (we're all human), it's the mixing of opposing cultures that's problematic.

Another thing. Are we not still in the process of spending zillions of cash and young lives hunting for Al Qaeda WMDs sorry making Iraq and Afganistan nice democratic places to live?!?

Why are we still accepting Asylum Seekers from these countries? We should be sending them back to their families now we've made these countries wonderful places to live, not accepting more refugees.....

Shouldn't we? I mean it isn't as if we've made the situations over there ten times worse or anything.

[happy_renting]

I've been unemployed since June and I'm happier than I have been for years.

Terrifyied that we are going to have to stop buying plastic s#it from China on credit? No not me.

Last time I was unemployed, I learnt just how much consumer tat I could easily and happily do without. A useful lesson.

Edited December 17, 2010 by happy_renting

[Harry Monk]

Last time I was unemployed, I learnt just how much consumer tat I could easily and happily do without. A useful lesson.

Yes, my life has changed but I have adapted to it. I've been here before.

For example, last year I might have taken my kids to Chessington World of Adventures for a day out which ended up costing £200, this year I started taking them camping and had whole weekends away for £20 plus the cost of some campfire grub and they infinitely prefer that to a day at Chessington. Wish I'd thought of it before.

I eat much better food too, now I have more time to spend on preparing it, and good food has the added bonus of being far cheaper and healthier than bad food.

My car is 13 years old but so what, it's a car.

I think the fear of unemployment is worse than the actual unemployment when it arrives.

[Johnny Storm]

Pfft!

All those road blocks when police were clashing with miners must have been a figment of my imagination.

Admitedly is a while ago but the british public know when to stand up and be counted.

Feel free to put your keyboard down and actively join in anytime you please.

And those miners were crushed, starved and soundly defeated. Just like the students.

[PopGun]

And those miners were crushed, starved and soundly defeated. Just like the students.

Yeah those very same students who will just sign on or bu55er off with their degrees elsewhere. Yep that showed them.

[Johnny Storm]

Yeah those very same students who will just sign on or bu55er off with their degrees elsewhere. Yep that showed them.

Yeah, theres a big demand for their worthless degrees elsewhere. That's the real problem. People doing expensive but useless qualifications at the tax payers expense.

[Si1]

And those miners were crushed, starved and soundly defeated. Just like the students.

the evil mining unions were defeated; it is sad that good men who were miners were such sad victims and so misled, but it is the nasty unions you should reserve your ire for. Arthur Scargill got 2 grace and favour retirement homes out of it from union divis. Nuf said.

[PopGun]

Yeah, theres a big demand for their worthless degrees elsewhere. That's the real problem. People doing expensive but useless qualifications at the tax payers expense.

Then they'll all just sign on then, for a life of Riley..... think of it, all those hundreds of thousands of younger, fitter, stronger dissillusioned people kicking about with nothing constructive to do or hope of bettering their lot!

I wouldn't be so smug if I was you. You may have something to lose, they won't.

[Johnny Storm]

Then they'll all just sign on then, for a life of Riley..... think of it, all those hundreds of thousands of younger, fitter, stronger dissillusioned people kicking about with nothing constructive to do or hope of bettering their lot!

I wouldn't be so smug if I was you. You may have something to lose, they won't.

Masters of the land

Always get our share

Clear away the barricades

And we're still there!

[Harry Monk]

Yeah, theres a big demand for their worthless degrees elsewhere. That's the real problem. People doing expensive but useless qualifications at the tax payers expense.

I tend to regard them as unemployed people forced to borrow the money to fund three years of unemployment.

[wonderpup]

I happen to agree with the Home Secretary on this. Britain just doesn't do civil unrest.

Germany was the most sophisticated and liberal nation in Europe in the 20's and still ended up with the Nazis- it's all about perception in the end- too many people who see themselves as excluded and marginalised and you end up with extremes.

To say it can't happen here is a bit naive I feel- it can happen anywhere, if the conditions are right.

[Chest Rockwell]

Germany was the most sophisticated and liberal nation in Europe in the 20's and still ended up with the Nazis- it's all about perception in the end- too many people who see themselves as excluded and marginalised and you end up with extremes.

To say it can't happen here is a bit naive I feel- it can happen anywhere, if the conditions are right.

Well...don't forget that they had their fair share of "attempted" revolutions after WW1...if it weren't for Prussian militarism that was on the side of the rich and wealthy then Germany would have been a commie nation and the Nazi's wouldn't have had a look in! The fact that the Wiemer Republic survived so long is mainly down to the fact that the Army was on the side of the ruling elite. Hitler realised this after the his Beer Hall Putsch, so after he got out of the clink he worked towards charming the military, bankers, junkers and all the other tossers. Once the Nazis got into power the "elite" thought they could control him...but they forgot that he'd already got his people in charge of most of the Police and of course he had his own army in the form of the SS. The demise of the SA was a price worth paying as it got the Army on his side! Once Hindinburg snuffed it the door was open for total power which was incidently encouraged by the Army. Also, it was the Generals and the likes of Bloomberg that opted to have the Nazi insignias on the uniform's of the military!

The other little known fact is that just before the Nazi's got in the Army presented the ruling elite with a problem in that they announced that they could not fight both the Nazi's and the Commies and guard the borders at the same time! So the elite had to make a choice: the Nazis or the Commies. Whether what the Army said was true or not is anyone's guess, however, they were pro Hitler. He promised the Army their former glory which was a hell of alot better than their 100,000 men Army...so they opted for the Nazis.

On a side note, most of Hitler's generals were controlled through financial debt! Hitler bailed out a lot of them due to their costly divorces or the scandelous nature of their "goings on" when not at work!

[stormymonday_2011]

Well...don't forget that they had their fair share of "attempted" revolutions after WW1...if it weren't for Prussian militarism that was on the side of the rich and wealthy then Germany would have been a commie nation and the Nazi's wouldn't have had a look in! The fact that the Wiemer Republic survived so long is mainly down to the fact that the Army was on the side of the ruling elite. Hitler realised this after the his Beer Hall Putsch, so after he got out of the clink he worked towards charming the military, bankers, junkers and all the other tossers. Once the Nazis got into power the "elite" thought they could control him...but they forgot that he'd already got his people in charge of most of the Police and of course he had his own army in the form of the SS. The demise of the SA was a price worth paying as it got the Army on his side! Once Hindinburg snuffed it the door was open for total power which was incidently encouraged by the Army. Also, it was the Generals and the likes of Bloomberg that opted to have the Nazi insignias on the uniform's of the military!

The other little known fact is that just before the Nazi's got in the Army presented the ruling elite with a problem in that they announced that they could not fight both the Nazi's and the Commies and guard the borders at the same time! So the elite had to make a choice: the Nazis or the Commies. Whether what the Army said was true or not is anyone's guess, however, they were pro Hitler. He promised the Army their former glory which was a hell of alot better than their 100,000 men Army...so they opted for the Nazis.

On a side note, most of Hitler's generals were controlled through financial debt! Hitler bailed out a lot of them due to their costly divorces or the scandelous nature of their "goings on" when not at work!

I was interested to discover recently that fim exists which may well show Hitler as part of the funeral cortege of the (Jewish) Socialist Kurt Eisner in 1919. It also appears that there is documentary evidence showing he was elected as a representative of a soldiers council (Soviet) during the Bolshevik uprising in Munich during the same year. I will bet these were two facts he was keen to suppress later in his career.

[kingsgate]

I was interested to discover recently that fim exists which may well show Hitler as part of the funeral cortege of the (Jewish) Socialist Kurt Eisner in 1919. It also appears that there is documentary evidence showing he was elected as a representative of a soldiers council (Soviet) during the Bolshevik uprising in Munich during the same year. I will bet these were two facts he was keen to suppress later in his career.

People see fascists and commies as great opposites, but they aren't really that far apart. Hitler's lot were not called "National [socialists/i]" for nothing.

[pandora's box]

I was interested to discover recently that fim exists which may well show Hitler as part of the funeral cortege of the (Jewish) Socialist Kurt Eisner in 1919. It also appears that there is documentary evidence showing he was elected as a representative of a soldiers council (Soviet) during the Bolshevik uprising in Munich during the same year. I will bet these were two facts he was keen to suppress later in his career.

Was Hitler an idealist?

I didn't know that.

[billybong]

Are You Terrified About What Will Happen To This Country?

What WILL happen.

Hey!! It's enough already!!

Edited December 18, 2010 by billybong

[pandora's box]

What WILL happen.

Hey!! It's enough already!!

Look at Greece for a clue.

Give me a good reason not to fight against the system.