bogbrush Posted December 23, 2009 Share Posted December 23, 2009 Looks like Unis are the next place to feel the axe. £533m out of £7.310bn is a hefty number of media studies courses. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/8427546.stm Good news for thousands of kids who will no longer load themselves up with debt to gain a "qualification" that doesn't get them into a burger flipping apron. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Injin Posted December 23, 2009 Share Posted December 23, 2009 Looks like Unis are the next place to feel the axe. £533m out of £7.310bn is a hefty number of media studies courses. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/8427546.stm Good news for thousands of kids who will no longer load themselves up with debt to gain a "qualification" that doesn't get them into a burger flipping apron. More klingon speakers, less engineers. The PTB don't want people to have a clue or be independant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Venger Posted December 23, 2009 Share Posted December 23, 2009 More klingon speakers, less engineers. The PTB don't want people to have a clue or be independant. 'Fewer engineers' Injin. Sorry, but it a thread about education. What is the PTB? Less is used with things/material that cannot be counted or separated into individual parts. You can not count orange juice, sunshine, sand etc. Fewer is used with discrete things that can be separated or counted. CDs, sausages, cows, people etc can be counted. By far the most common mistake is to use 'less' when 'fewer' is needed. Less/Fewer test. http://www.bristol.a...ial/page_18.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aa3 Posted December 23, 2009 Share Posted December 23, 2009 Think Britain graduated more psychologists last year than all engineering disciplines combined. Meanwhile China graduated more engineers last year than all non-engineering degrees combined! One country is building dams, nuclear power plants, ports, electric railroads, bridges, factories, steel mills etc.. One country is offering psychological services for people who've recently lost their jobs. Guess which one is which? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorkins Posted December 23, 2009 Share Posted December 23, 2009 It's very cheap to teach media studies and very expensive to teach chemistry. Both bring in the same in tuition fees. Do the maths. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spivT Posted December 23, 2009 Share Posted December 23, 2009 Looks like Unis are the next place to feel the axe. £533m out of £7.310bn is a hefty number of media studies courses. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/8427546.stm Good news for thousands of kids who will no longer load themselves up with debt to gain a "qualification" that doesn't get them into a burger flipping apron. Won't they just be allowed to charge higher tuition fees and just ramp up the generating revenue parts of the org. Most uni's have significant revenue generating capacity. Surely it's the FE colleges which are most effected by so-called education spending cuts. OR atleast have been of late. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corevalue Posted December 23, 2009 Share Posted December 23, 2009 The government also wants to see more degrees completed over two years rather than three as a way of easing the funding crisis and to broaden education to a wider range of students. This would tend to appeal to those doing more vocational subjects such as engineering and law. Two year degrees in engineering and law? What's that, New B.Eng == Old OND ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kilroy Posted December 23, 2009 Share Posted December 23, 2009 Two year degrees in engineering and law? What's that, New B.Eng == Old OND ? To be fair, I often found myslef with far too much time on my hands during my physics degree; in moments of inebriated lucidity I was convinced that the degree could be done over 2 years (physics, kings college london) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Hovis Posted December 23, 2009 Share Posted December 23, 2009 'Fewer engineers' Injin. Sorry, but it a thread about education. What is the PTB? Less/Fewer test. http://www.bristol.a...ial/page_18.htm Powers That Be You have to think "Injin". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
interestrateripoff Posted December 23, 2009 Share Posted December 23, 2009 The cuts are coming, things must be bad if Labour are having to tout these ideas now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
porca misèria Posted December 23, 2009 Share Posted December 23, 2009 Reported on the wireless as wanting more "vocational degrees". So having taken a bunch of training colleges and labeled them "universities", now they're all to be leveled down to training colleges. Now there's a plan! Anyone for Charlie Chaplin's "Modern Times"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bogbrush Posted December 23, 2009 Author Share Posted December 23, 2009 Reported on the wireless as wanting more "vocational degrees". So having taken a bunch of training colleges and labeled them "universities", now they're all to be leveled down to training colleges. Now there's a plan! Anyone for Charlie Chaplin's "Modern Times"? Think back to 1997; you really could not have made this up, could you? We have had some bad governments, and they've all done some daft things, but I don't think there's ever been one which has been to full of nothing as this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
interestrateripoff Posted December 23, 2009 Share Posted December 23, 2009 Think back to 1997; you really could not have made this up, could you? We have had some bad governments, and they've all done some daft things, but I don't think there's ever been one which has been to full of nothing as this. It's failure to a whole new level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
righttoleech Posted December 23, 2009 Share Posted December 23, 2009 Education, education, education. C**t, c**t, c**t Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fluffy666 Posted December 23, 2009 Share Posted December 23, 2009 It's very cheap to teach media studies and very expensive to teach chemistry. Both bring in the same in tuition fees. Do the maths. We can't. They stopped teaching it. Do the Quality, Diversity and NoOneIsAllowedToFailAnythingEver form. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DabHand Posted December 23, 2009 Share Posted December 23, 2009 Reported on the wireless as wanting more "vocational degrees". So having taken a bunch of training colleges and labeled them "universities", now they're all to be leveled down to training colleges. Now there's a plan! Anyone for Charlie Chaplin's "Modern Times"? It was part of the everyone's a winner/deferred success bullshet. Or if you are even more cynical: Politicians pulling up the quality drawbridge after themselves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dothemaths Posted December 23, 2009 Share Posted December 23, 2009 Think Britain graduated more psychologists last year than all engineering disciplines combined. Meanwhile China graduated more engineers last year than all non-engineering degrees combined! One country is building dams, nuclear power plants, ports, electric railroads, bridges, factories, steel mills etc.. One country is offering psychological services for people who've recently lost their jobs. Guess which one is which? Very interesting if true. Can you let us have the sources for your data? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonkers Posted December 23, 2009 Share Posted December 23, 2009 I have been wondering recently that we were getting to the point where only the wealthy could afford to learn a trade (carpenter, electrician, plumber), and the working classes were forced into degrees in sweet FA at the local 'university', headed for basic admin jobs without any craft (probably government jobs?) This came about as my partner's children have full financial backing from the grandparents to go to any University they want, they have chosen not to, one wants to be a butcher, the other is undecided so is waiting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
porca misèria Posted December 23, 2009 Share Posted December 23, 2009 It was part of the everyone's a winner/deferred success bullshet. Or if you are even more cynical: Politicians pulling up the quality drawbridge after themselves. Heh. Isn't it enough to price them out? I have the impression some universities may be ignoring them, to a certain extent. My nephew has just started a maths degree at Cambridge, and I'm looking forward to comparing notes with him. So far, we've compared notes over the entrance exams: he showed me some examples, and they looked comparable to what I took 30 years ago. The big difference: they've moved to the summer (after A-levels) and candidates get a week's course in Cambridge before taking them. Looks to me like a jolly good effort to level the playing field between those who have had special tuition and those who just went to bog-standard comprehensives (or whatever they're called these days). Perhaps the system will rewind to a point of being "Ivy League" (those who can afford the luxury of maintaining themselves as traditional academia and have the prestige to stand up to bullying) and a bunch of training colleges. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackholeshine Posted December 23, 2009 Share Posted December 23, 2009 (edited) Second blow to universities: University spin-off activity collapses The number of cutting edge British technology companies being created from universities has collapsed in the last year and many that have formed have had to turn to foreign investors, research by Your Business has found. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/yourbusiness/6860435/University-spin-off-activity-collapses.html Edited December 23, 2009 by Blackholeshine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dothemaths Posted December 23, 2009 Share Posted December 23, 2009 It's very cheap to teach media studies and very expensive to teach chemistry. Both bring in the same in tuition fees. Do the maths. On this the maths has been done. Science and engineering departments get significantly more from HEFCE block grants than humanities. The tuition fees are only a small part of the true cost of education. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
porca misèria Posted December 23, 2009 Share Posted December 23, 2009 Second blow to universities: University spin-off activity collapses Wouldn't necessarily read that as a blow to unis as such. Could be would-be entrepreneurs hanging on to their academic jobs where those are seen as more secure than starting a business. Does it count as spin-off if they lose those jobs then set up? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cells Posted December 23, 2009 Share Posted December 23, 2009 The country doesn’t need more engineers or scientists we have too many as it is. Look at the wages paid for them, little over a normal office job so there is no shortage. Most people don’t use university level education once they leave. Upto A-Levels perhaps is what most people will ever really use. Have better A-Level teaching rather than more and more and more kids going to university. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tbatst2000 Posted December 23, 2009 Share Posted December 23, 2009 On this the maths has been done. Science and engineering departments get significantly more from HEFCE block grants than humanities. The tuition fees are only a small part of the true cost of education. Also, whilst the students pay the same across all courses, the per-capita funding given to the departments is more for science & engineering. Whether it's enough to cover the difference of the cost of providing the course and whether or not universities consider media-studies and the like a more profitable place to be is another question. It's also worth remembering that the UK has a lot of foreign students studying science and engineering who pay full fees which certainly do cover the cost. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oliver Sutton Posted December 23, 2009 Share Posted December 23, 2009 The Tories said they would make another 10,000 university places available. Depressing. I don't think they are offering any alternative whatsoever. The UK is fooked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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