Why Labour Will Win The Election

[BlueColorSlave]

There's no way Labour can win, big money has been squarely behind the Tories for nearly a full 2 years. Barely more than 2 or 3 national newspapers have printed a balanced story about Brown over this period. It took the expenses scandal to remind us all of the affinity the Tory party has for corruption, this self entitled mob has had the election wrapped up for a long time.

Brown despite being the record holder for the chancellor who presided over the longest sustained period of uk growth in history is no match for the slick haired opportunist Cameron and his top toff buddy Osbourne. Thats right, even Osbourne who's worked for the Tory party since the age of 23 and has never had a real job will soon be our chancellor after experiencing one of the easiest rides the press has ever given a chancellor in waiting!

[shitfly]

1. The Labour Party QE/low interest rates con has worked in that its stopped house prices going through the floor.

Looks like it.

2. Over the last 12 years the Labour party has built up a massive Client State...this includes public sector workers (6 million!),

the benefit classes (I suppose you could lump public sector workers in here, maybe no nedd for a seperate category), the quangocracy,

religious and immigrant groups and the BBC. This Client State represents millions of votes in the bag for Labour, people choose who to

vote for out of self interest after all.

Yes but those who pay for it must represent a bigger proportion of the electorate? Oh wait...

3. The Tory party has singularaly failed in landing any damaging attacks on the Labour government despite Labour's blatant corruption and

incompetence, additionally the Tories have singularly failed to express any remotely inspiring or credible mission statement.

Seems like a rock hammer against a bit wall at the moment...

4. David Cameron and George Osborne fall into the "nice but dim" public school-boy category and it has not gone un-noticed by the public

that they have surrounded themselves by other nice (and not so nice) but dim public school types (I mean Kirsty, for goodness sake whats

that about): consequently the public believe the Tories will govern for the rich only.

God what would Gordon and Alistair be called then?

[Ruffneck]

wouldnt really matter who got in out of labour/tories since they are both the same party

what is the tories policy on illegal immigration and reducing the offshoring of workers? exactly

voting BNP might cause these goons to wake up and smell the coffee

[Concrete Jungle]

Vote Labour

Prepare to short the pound

Prepare to leave the country?

[Woot]

i personally think that Cameron has been holding back. There can be no other reason- surely...?

i reckon he doesn't want the Tory challenge to peak too early?

You may be right, but can anyone here give a coherent list of Conservative policy statements? I think it's a problem that we don't know what they stand for.

I'm also concerned that people are so disillusioned with the major parties that they will vote for minors - whilst this may in itself be a good thing, and may reflect their conscience, it will do us all a disservice in diluting the anti-labour vote.

[non frog]

...... big money has been squarely behind the Tories for nearly a full 2 years. Barely more than 2 or 3 national newspapers have printed a balanced story about Brown over this period.....

Everyone that is financially literate (i.e. not the electorate) knows taxes must go up to pay for the bank fraud and miserable failure of the free market experiment. The media owners need to ensure that the masses cop for the bill, not big business or the rich. The lies, disinformation and spin will continue.

I still think it could go either way. Cameron is more of a non-entity than Major was and Brown is (in all honesty) a hopeless PM in terms of galvanising the voters. Don't overlook the option to change either or both of these people before the GE. Balls or Milliband could maybe win it.

Either way I don't care TBH the economic reality is too big for it to make much odds. 2010 will not be a very nice year for the UK. Either a run on the pound or a massive HPC (or both maybe) The HPC will take the banks out IMHO and the fall out from that would be unimaginable. If the banks go to the government for a second bailout the voter anger will be incredible (given the big bonuses this year) I also think at least on major insurance company will be in deep doo-doo next year with another Equitable Life type pension scandal.

A lot of folk will get their 50% HPC but then find they have no job to get a mortgage, assuming they can find a lender that has any money to lend or afford the 15% IR.

[Kyoto]

I would say one of those wild cards is the massive expansion of the public sector, Labour will bang on about how the Tories will

slash publice servants and, as I said before, thats pretty much 6 million votes in the bag.

Agreed - this is by far and away the biggest factor of the OPs list.

[Danny Deflation]

3. The Tory party has singularaly failed in landing any damaging attacks on the Labour government despite Labour's blatant corruption and

incompetence, additionally the Tories have singularly failed to express any remotely inspiring or credible mission statement.

That, for me, is the crux of the matter.

Back in 1992 everyone, including the opinion polls, thought John Major was going to lose the election, but - largely due to Labour's then-triumphalist tones - the Tories won comfortably. I suspect the same will happen to New Labour in 2010.

David Cameron is like the poor-man's Tony Blair, and there is something not quite right about George Osborne (the eyes, it's in the eyes).

If we had an inspiring, competent opposition that made people think there was hope, like in fairness to Labour we did have in 1997, then Labour would be wiped out at the next election.

Sadly, I don't think that's going to happen.

[Johnny Storm]

A lot of folk will get their 50% HPC but then find they have no job to get a mortgage, assuming they can find a lender that has any money to lend or afford the 15% IR.

Wishful thinking im afraid. Im sure the tories will do their damndest to keep house prices inflated, keep people in their homes, and get the false economy of constant growth going again.

[DONKEY2409]

That, for me, is the crux of the matter.

Back in 1992 everyone, including the opinion polls, thought John Major was going to lose the election, but - largely due to Labour's then-triumphalist tones - the Tories won comfortably. I suspect the same will happen to New Labour in 2010.

David Cameron is like the poor-man's Tony Blair, and there is something not quite right about George Osborne (the eyes, it's in the eyes).

If we had an inspiring, competent opposition that made people think there was hope, like in fairness to Labour we did have in 1997, then Labour would be wiped out at the next election.

Sadly, I don't think that's going to happen.

Agreed. The Tories are dead in the water unless they get rid off Dave Nice But Dim Cameron and George Pointless Osborne and the rest of their Bullingdon buddies (and Kirsty!) that the public are so distrustful of. They need to be replaced by David Davis and Ken Clarke, both these guys wouldbe seen as more "trustworthy" and "in touch" than the current testicle lacking pair of wimps: at least Clarke has a proven record of success as Chancellor and at least Davis (for all his faults) has some fire in his belly!

[geoffk]

As someone close to the labour party i can say with all honesty that the party workers have resigned themselves to be giving a large beating by the electorate.....labour have no chance the anger felt by people is too deep..it will be a large Tory win...

[1888]

the only way Brown will win is by stuffing the ballot boxes

and unfortunately I would not rule this out

Postal votes are a prime target for the corrupt

Zanu were facing a kikkin at the Glenrothes by election

but somehow managed to turn it around , the whiff of corruption

was everywhere but was difficult to prove

If these people have so little morality that they will send our young men and women

off to fight illegal wars only to come back in body bags then they are capable

of anything

No doubt Dubya is givin them some tips on how to cheat their way in again

[Guest absolutezero]

As someone close to the labour party i can say with all honesty that the party workers have resigned themselves to be giving a large beating by the electorate.....labour have no chance the anger felt by people is too deep..it will be a large Tory win...

They might have a nice surprise then....

[ken_ichikawa]

the only way Brown will win is by stuffing the ballot boxes

No doubt Dubya is givin them some tips on how to cheat their way in again

Don't forget a massive terrorist emergency which will 'post pone' the election for a short yet indeterminate amount of time. Prez Musharif managed this for nearly 5 years.

The Labour party has used fake terrorism to scare people before i.e tanks at Heathrow to cow people into attacking Iraq under false pretences.

[1888]

I believe if Labor do win then there will be a very big possibility of a military coup

It almost happened in the 70's

[Goat]

Wishful thinking im afraid. Im sure the tories will do their damndest to keep house prices inflated, keep people in their homes, and get the false economy of constant growth going again.

Couple of problems with that.

Firstly, where is the money going to come from to do that?

Secondly, think about timing. HPC in 2010/11 can easily and convincingly be pinned on Gormless and Co leaving DC a good couple of years recovery in time for an election in 2014.

Inflation won't help them, it'll drive up interest rates so that people would be paying 10%+ on their mortgage just in time for 2014.

[Goat]

It's a win-win situation for Labour.

If they win the election, they win. Obviously. And they'll see their policies through. They know what they're doing it's just that most people don't yet see it. Give it time and people will. Takes a long time to get people to think your way.

If they lose the election, the Tories will be voted out next time because of the unpleasant economic situation - possibly for good.

Unless the Conservatives take the opportunity to reform party funding (cut labour off from their union paymasters - £9,000,000 in 2008) and re-draw the boundaries to eliminate the huge pro labour bias.

[Cogs]

Unless the Conservatives take the opportunity to reform party funding (cut labour off from their union paymasters - £9,000,000 in 2008) and re-draw the boundaries to eliminate the huge pro labour bias.

There is nothing wrong with the labour movement funding its political wing. The only argument against this (which I agreed with at the time) was when the closed shop was still in force. And the aristocrats and landowners aren't exactly shy about backing their side either are they.

[Goat]

There is nothing wrong with the labour movement funding its political wing.

There is when "the labour movement" is code for "public sector workers" and the cost to the country is the sort of fiscal ruin we're seeing at the moment.

[Guest absolutezero]

There is when "the labour movement" is code for "public sector workers" and the cost to the country is the sort of fiscal ruin we're seeing at the moment.

How about when "the Tory movement" is code for "rich toffs and loaded donors" and the cost to the country is mass poverty and ignoring evrything North of Watford.

[Cogs]

There is when "the labour movement" is code for "public sector workers" and the cost to the country is the sort of fiscal ruin we're seeing at the moment.

There are two ways of seeing this. One, it isn't any of your business what other people privately choose to do with their money or two, join your union and get them to affiliate elsewhere. Some of them used to affiliate to the communist party back in the day for example, the mechanism is there and decisions are made by those who turn up.

[DONKEY2409]

How about when "the Tory movement" is code for "rich toffs and loaded donors" and the cost to the country is mass poverty and ignoring evrything North of Watford.

Total nonsense, Labour is actually the party of privilige, they are nasty middle class lefties who delight in doing things like aboloshing grammar schools and introducing fees for university education, all under the guise of "equality:" education is the main engine of social mobility, thats why socialists love to undermine it: "lets pull up the ladder boys and keep all these lovely goodies to ourselves."

FACT 1: there are more children living in poverty under this labour government than there were under the Tories.

FACT 2: social mobility has collapsed under labour.

FACT 3: the gap between the rich and the poor is greater under this labour government than it was under the poor.

FACT 4: the working classes have been completely screwed by mass immigration (increased competiton for work, lower average wages,

greater rates of crime, and poorer health, education and housing as budgets are spread thinner and thinner). Mass immigration has been

encouraged by Labour (ask David "I see no upper limit" Blunkett) as another way of gerrymandering election results.

The Labour party, friend of the working class, excuse me I've just wet myself laughing.

[Cogs]

Total nonsense, Labour is actually the party of privilige, they are nasty middle class lefties who delight in doing things like aboloshing grammar schools

and introducing fees for university education, all under the guise of "equality:" education is the main engine of social mobility, that why socialists love to

undermine it: "lets pull up the ladder boys and keep all these lovely goodies to ourselves."

FACT 1: there are more children living in poverty under this labour government than there were under the Tories.

FACT 2: social mobility has collapsed under labour.

FACT 3: the gap between the rich and the poor is greater under this labour government than it was under the poor.

FACT 4: the working classes have been completely screwed by mass immigration (increased competiton for work, lower average wages,

greater rates of crime, and poorer health, education and housing as budgets are spread thinner and thinner). Mass immigration has been

encouraged by Labour (ask David "I see no upper limit" Blunkett) as another way of gerrymandering election results.

The Labour party, friend of the working class, excuse me I've just wet myself laughing.

So you actually have nothing to say in defence of the Tories then.

PS. FACT: The Education Secretary who closed the most Grammar schools was called... Margaret Hilda Thatcher.

[Guest absolutezero]

FACT 1: there are more children living in poverty under this labour government than there were under the Tories.

Evidence?

Poverty is a relative measure, not an absolute one. If you define poverty as less then 2 foreign holidays a year and the latest pair of trainers you may be correct.

FACT 2: social mobility has collapsed under labour.

Evidence?

FACT 3: the gap between the rich and the poor is greater under this labour government than it was under the poor.

Evidence?

Is that because the rich have got richer or the poor have got poorer?

FACT 4: the working classes have been completely screwed by mass immigration (increased competiton for work, lower average wages,

greater rates of crime, and poorer health, education and housing as budgets are spread thinner and thinner). Mass immigration has been

encouraged by Labour (ask David "I see no upper limit" Blunkett) as another way of gerrymandering election results.

Evidence?

The Tories will have been the same because the rules are made by the EU and all three main parties sing from the same hymnsheet.

[DONKEY2409]

Evidence?

Poverty is a relative measure, not an absolute one. If you define poverty as less then 2 foreign holidays a year and the latest pair of trainers you may be correct.

Evidence?

Evidence?

Is that because the rich have got richer or the poor have got poorer?

Evidence?

The Tories will have been the same because the rules are made by the EU and all three main parties sing from the same hymnsheet.

All true...figures courtesy of the ONS and all publicly available for 1-3.

Point 4...other EU states have restricted immigration from new entry states, the rest of what I say is blindingly obviously

unless you chooose not to look and ask.