Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Posted November 28, 2009 Share Posted November 28, 2009 http://www.youthfightforjobs.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DementedTuna Posted November 28, 2009 Share Posted November 28, 2009 Might as well turn up to it if you're unemployed and have sod all better to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justice Posted November 28, 2009 Share Posted November 28, 2009 Forgive me i didn't know it was on, or about train strikes because the BBC spent all day telling me about mrs smiths cat that got stuck up the tree. kick out the immigrants and these kids will have all the work they need without having to pay an army and leg in taxes but thats just a pipe dream right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Authoritarian Posted November 28, 2009 Share Posted November 28, 2009 (edited) Lets reopen the coal pits. That'll learn em. The right to a decent job for all, with a living wage of at least £8 an hour. Why are socialists so stupid? Higher costs = higher prices = back to square one and then demanding £10 ph for a 'living' wage. Wish I was a policeman sometimes, I'd love to beat the hell out of commies. Might even knock some sense into them. Edited November 28, 2009 by chefdave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Posted November 28, 2009 Author Share Posted November 28, 2009 Think they got over 1,000 on the march - didn't notice any meedya coverage prior to the march - only noticing PA and a couple of others picking up on it since. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Authoritarian Posted November 28, 2009 Share Posted November 28, 2009 The government is currently campaigning to keep British bosses' right to make us work more than 48 hours a week, longer than any other EU country. Make your mind up boys, do you want a job or not Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete.hpc Posted November 28, 2009 Share Posted November 28, 2009 Congratulations boomers, this is what you've provided for your children. Let's hope you're not going to need our help in your retirement, especially as you're not going to be forced into selling your mansions to pay someone to wipe your ****. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackholeshine Posted November 28, 2009 Share Posted November 28, 2009 How come today's pop stars and musicians are silent on youth employment? Back in the 1980s they held concerts to highlight this problame. I use the word problam instead of problem because a "problame" is a problem you blame someone else for. http://www.ukrockfestivals.com/Peoples-March-for-jobs-81.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete.hpc Posted November 28, 2009 Share Posted November 28, 2009 How come today's pop stars and musicians are silent on youth employment? Back in the 1980s they held concerts to highlight this problame. I use the word problam instead of problem because a "problame" is a problem you blame someone else for. http://www.ukrockfestivals.com/Peoples-March-for-jobs-81.html Give it time. Their gravy train is ending, who's going to pay for music with the internet making it free and no-one having any jobs? The next musical revolution will come from the sort of people going on this march, because they have something to be angry about. Who wants to listen to the child of someone like Keith Allen wittering about puppy dogs and sunshine? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Authoritarian Posted November 28, 2009 Share Posted November 28, 2009 (edited) How come today's pop stars and musicians are silent on youth employment? Back in the 1980s they held concerts to highlight this problame. I use the word problam instead of problem because a "problame" is a problem you blame someone else for. http://www.ukrockfestivals.com/Peoples-March-for-jobs-81.html Probably because we've depoliticised politics. The modern solution to unemployment would be a gov't funded support group that aims to solve people's anxieties and help them overcome the emotional trauma associated with redundency. Also jobs suck, fighting for them is idiocy when all you're likely to get is low pay and and an annoying boss. I think young people are aware of this. Edited November 28, 2009 by chefdave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wonderpup Posted November 28, 2009 Share Posted November 28, 2009 Why are socialists so stupid? Higher costs = higher prices Or maybe just less profit for the top 1% who own 70% of the UK's wealth? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Authoritarian Posted November 28, 2009 Share Posted November 28, 2009 (edited) Or maybe just less profit for the top 1% who own 70% of the UK's wealth? Profit isn't the problem though. The problem is rent, its astounding that socialists in general appear to be blind to this. Lower fixed costs = higher wages, yes? Edited November 28, 2009 by chefdave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HPCatlast. Posted November 28, 2009 Share Posted November 28, 2009 Congratulations boomers, this is what you've provided for your children. Let's hope you're not going to need our help in your retirement, especially as you're not going to be forced into selling your mansions to pay someone to wipe your ****. thanks Pete, too late mate, already seen the light (2007) and sold up. love the boomer envey, sat out ear in the peaceful countryside of France, enjoying my rewards of 40+ years hard work (including military), given not a penny, worked for all we have. I hope if you work as hard as us you can enjoy similar benefits. Regards RiG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hilltop Posted November 28, 2009 Share Posted November 28, 2009 Good for them. At least they are having a go instead of sitting whining in front of a PC. Youth has to set out for a decent future, the self satisfied generations ahead of them will not let them have a crust otherwise. And they are right, capitalism has failed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CokeSnortingTory Posted November 28, 2009 Share Posted November 28, 2009 This is a campaign that is organised by The Socialist Party. I attended their rally in Euston a few weeks ago. Bob Crow was cracking entertainment. Though I'm obviously not a leftie myself it does seem to me that at least they're attempting some kind of organised resistance to the criminal activity of the banksters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wonderpup Posted November 28, 2009 Share Posted November 28, 2009 Profit isn't the problem though. The problem is rent, its astounding that socialists in general appear to be blind to this. Lower fixed costs = higher wages, yes? Rents=profit.Yes? Profit is the problem if 1% of the population want to keep most of the money for themselves, weather it be via suppression of wages or exploitation of land ownership. You could argue that if labour had the power to enforce wage increases, the viability of high commercial rents would fail, forcing them down. At root this is about power- the balance has tipped too far in favour of the owners of capital/land with the result that the majority have lost purchasing power- a failure of demand that now threatens the viability of the system itself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Authoritarian Posted November 28, 2009 Share Posted November 28, 2009 (edited) Rents=profit.Yes? No, this is the marxist analysis which is why socialists keep coming to the wrong conclusions. Rent is paid for the use of land (a monopoly) profit is paid to the owners of capital, capital can be recreated so it operates in a free market. Profit is the problem if 1% of the population want to keep most of the money for themselves, weather it be via suppression of wages or exploitation of land ownership.You could argue that if labour had the power to enforce wage increases, the viability of high commercial rents would fail, forcing them down. At root this is about power- the balance has tipped too far in favour of the owners of capital/land with the result that the majority have lost purchasing power- a failure of demand that now threatens the viability of the system itself. You want to fight one monopoly by turning labour into another monopoly, this would be hugely destructive. Why not just deal with the existing one and then allow labour to respond to the forces of supply and demand? Edited November 28, 2009 by chefdave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wonderpup Posted November 28, 2009 Share Posted November 28, 2009 You want to fight one monopoly by turning labour into another monopoly, this would be hugely destructive. Why not just deal with the existing one and then allow labour to respond to the forces of supply and demand? Because Globalised wage arbitrage and automation mean that the game for labour is effectively rigged- the ability of capital to exploit labour is now out of balance. Labour needs to be empowered to enforce some claim on the wealth it produces- otherwise the process of wealth concentration continues to the point where demand failure kills the system. All of the frantic attempts to restart lending are designed to evade a more basic redistribution of wealth that is required for the game to continue. A small handful of very rich people does not a modern economy make- they simply do not create enough demand to sustain one. Especially as their 'wealth' is in fact a claim on the future production of the same workforce they are are not paying today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkman Posted November 28, 2009 Share Posted November 28, 2009 Forgive me i didn't know it was on, or about train strikes because the BBC spent all day telling me about mrs smiths cat that got stuck up the tree. It appears there is a bad-news blackout in this country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Authoritarian Posted November 28, 2009 Share Posted November 28, 2009 (edited) Because Globalised wage arbitrage and automation mean that the game for labour is effectively rigged- the ability of capital to exploit labour is now out of balance. Labour needs to be empowered to enforce some claim on the wealth it produces- otherwise the process of wealth concentration continues to the point where demand failure kills the system. All of the frantic attempts to restart lending are designed to evade a more basic redistribution of wealth that is required for the game to continue. A small handful of very rich people does not a modern economy make- they simply do not create enough demand to sustain one. Especially as their 'wealth' is in fact a claim on the future production of the same workforce they are are not paying today. Well we can't do anything about the wealth creating policies of other countries so if we jack up our own wage costs we just make the UK even more uncompetitive. We could fix our currency I suppose, but only at the expense of making the working population very poor. Labour needs to empowered to advance its equal claim upon the nation's rents, fighting the owners of capital is a self defeating proposition because they're not the ones causing the problems. Edit to add, there are many reasons why the owners of capital would want to be based in the UK; easy access to Europe, well educated population, relatively good infrastructure and political stability to name a few. The only thing keeping them out is Brown and his 1000 page tax book. Edited November 28, 2009 by chefdave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomwatkins Posted November 28, 2009 Share Posted November 28, 2009 Because Globalised wage arbitrage and automation mean that the game for labour is effectively rigged- the ability of capital to exploit labour is now out of balance. Labour needs to be empowered to enforce some claim on the wealth it produces- otherwise the process of wealth concentration continues to the point where demand failure kills the system. All of the frantic attempts to restart lending are designed to evade a more basic redistribution of wealth that is required for the game to continue. A small handful of very rich people does not a modern economy make- they simply do not create enough demand to sustain one. Especially as their 'wealth' is in fact a claim on the future production of the same workforce they are are not paying today. Two things have failed miserably in my lifetime. 1 Communism 2 Abolition of capital and corporal punishment. The second more than the first TBH. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kate's Bush Posted November 28, 2009 Share Posted November 28, 2009 Congratulations boomers, this is what you've provided for your children. Let's hope you're not going to need our help in your retirement, especially as you're not going to be forced into selling your mansions to pay someone to wipe your ****. Boo Hoo, Whine Whine I was made redundant at the age of 19 (1979) having completed my apprentiship. Don't remember sitting on my **** blaming someone else though. It was a sign of the times and a fact of life. So I shovelled shit for a year until something better came up and then I jumped and have kept my eyes open and my ear to the ground ever since, cos I don't want to be back shovelling shit again. I sure don't live in a f**king mansion and I'll be putting a bullet in my head before anybody wipes my **** for me. So grow up, get a spine and stop f**king whining. Rant over, Goodnight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Executive Sadman Posted November 28, 2009 Share Posted November 28, 2009 For real jobs, ugh, even they cant help themselves from using the Nulab newspeak. Real jobs ffs, not those mirage ones that you get to the office and find youre alone in an empty building... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dances with sheeple Posted November 28, 2009 Share Posted November 28, 2009 Congratulations boomers, this is what you've provided for your children. Let's hope you're not going to need our help in your retirement, especially as you're not going to be forced into selling your mansions to pay someone to wipe your ****. come **** wiping time most boomers are just going to take a last big swig of malt and drive the red sports car over a cliff to the sounds of their youth. They have won, the X-factor wannabes who man tesco tills have lost, they have been f*cked by a big Scottish bloke who wants to be a demi-god. At least my generation (teenage in the 80`s) still had music that could raise the pulse, although some 70`s kids still tell me nothing compares to the Small Faces etc! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkG Posted November 28, 2009 Share Posted November 28, 2009 So I shovelled shit for a year until something better came up and then I jumped and have kept my eyes open and my ear to the ground ever since, cos I don't want to be back shovelling shit again. Trouble is, a nineteen year old can't even get a job shoveling shit today, because Labour have given all the shit-shoveling jobs to cheap immigrants. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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