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Forgive me i didn't know it was on, or about train strikes because the BBC spent all day telling me about mrs smiths cat that got stuck up the tree.

kick out the immigrants and these kids will have all the work they need without having to pay an army and leg in taxes but thats just a pipe dream right.

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Lets reopen the coal pits. That'll learn em.

The right to a decent job for all, with a living wage of at least £8 an hour.

Why are socialists so stupid? Higher costs = higher prices = back to square one and then demanding £10 ph for a 'living' wage.

Wish I was a policeman sometimes, I'd love to beat the hell out of commies. Might even knock some sense into them.

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How come today's pop stars and musicians are silent on youth employment?

Back in the 1980s they held concerts to highlight this problame. I use the word problam instead of problem

because a "problame" is a problem you blame someone else for.

http://www.ukrockfestivals.com/Peoples-March-for-jobs-81.html

Give it time.

Their gravy train is ending, who's going to pay for music with the internet making it free and no-one having any jobs?

The next musical revolution will come from the sort of people going on this march, because they have something to be angry about.

Who wants to listen to the child of someone like Keith Allen wittering about puppy dogs and sunshine?

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How come today's pop stars and musicians are silent on youth employment?

Back in the 1980s they held concerts to highlight this problame. I use the word problam instead of problem

because a "problame" is a problem you blame someone else for.

http://www.ukrockfestivals.com/Peoples-March-for-jobs-81.html

Probably because we've depoliticised politics. The modern solution to unemployment would be a gov't funded support group that aims to solve people's anxieties and help them overcome the emotional trauma associated with redundency.

Also jobs suck, fighting for them is idiocy when all you're likely to get is low pay and and an annoying boss. I think young people are aware of this.

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Congratulations boomers, this is what you've provided for your children.

Let's hope you're not going to need our help in your retirement, especially as you're not going to be forced into selling your mansions to pay someone to wipe your ****.

thanks Pete,

too late mate, already seen the light (2007) and sold up.

love the boomer envey, sat out ear in the peaceful countryside of France, enjoying my rewards of 40+ years hard work (including military), given not a penny, worked for all we have.

I hope if you work as hard as us you can enjoy similar benefits.

Regards

RiG

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Good for them. At least they are having a go instead of sitting whining in front of a PC.

Youth has to set out for a decent future, the self satisfied generations ahead of them will not let them have a crust otherwise.

And they are right, capitalism has failed.

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Profit isn't the problem though. The problem is rent, its astounding that socialists in general appear to be blind to this.

Lower fixed costs = higher wages, yes?

Rents=profit.Yes?

Profit is the problem if 1% of the population want to keep most of the money for themselves, weather it be via suppression of wages or exploitation of land ownership.

You could argue that if labour had the power to enforce wage increases, the viability of high commercial rents would fail, forcing them down.

At root this is about power- the balance has tipped too far in favour of the owners of capital/land with the result that the majority have lost purchasing power- a failure of demand that now threatens the viability of the system itself.

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Rents=profit.Yes?

No, this is the marxist analysis which is why socialists keep coming to the wrong conclusions. Rent is paid for the use of land (a monopoly) profit is paid to the owners of capital, capital can be recreated so it operates in a free market.

Profit is the problem if 1% of the population want to keep most of the money for themselves, weather it be via suppression of wages or exploitation of land ownership.

You could argue that if labour had the power to enforce wage increases, the viability of high commercial rents would fail, forcing them down.

At root this is about power- the balance has tipped too far in favour of the owners of capital/land with the result that the majority have lost purchasing power- a failure of demand that now threatens the viability of the system itself.

You want to fight one monopoly by turning labour into another monopoly, this would be hugely destructive. Why not just deal with the existing one and then allow labour to respond to the forces of supply and demand?

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You want to fight one monopoly by turning labour into another monopoly, this would be hugely destructive. Why not just deal with the existing one and then allow labour to respond to the forces of supply and demand?

Because Globalised wage arbitrage and automation mean that the game for labour is effectively rigged- the ability of capital to exploit labour is now out of balance. Labour needs to be empowered to enforce some claim on the wealth it produces- otherwise the process of wealth concentration continues to the point where demand failure kills the system.

All of the frantic attempts to restart lending are designed to evade a more basic redistribution of wealth that is required for the game to continue. A small handful of very rich people does not a modern economy make- they simply do not create enough demand to sustain one. Especially as their 'wealth' is in fact a claim on the future production of the same workforce they are are not paying today.

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Because Globalised wage arbitrage and automation mean that the game for labour is effectively rigged- the ability of capital to exploit labour is now out of balance. Labour needs to be empowered to enforce some claim on the wealth it produces- otherwise the process of wealth concentration continues to the point where demand failure kills the system.

All of the frantic attempts to restart lending are designed to evade a more basic redistribution of wealth that is required for the game to continue. A small handful of very rich people does not a modern economy make- they simply do not create enough demand to sustain one. Especially as their 'wealth' is in fact a claim on the future production of the same workforce they are are not paying today.

Well we can't do anything about the wealth creating policies of other countries so if we jack up our own wage costs we just make the UK even more uncompetitive. We could fix our currency I suppose, but only at the expense of making the working population very poor.

Labour needs to empowered to advance its equal claim upon the nation's rents, fighting the owners of capital is a self defeating proposition because they're not the ones causing the problems.

Edit to add, there are many reasons why the owners of capital would want to be based in the UK; easy access to Europe, well educated population, relatively good infrastructure and political stability to name a few. The only thing keeping them out is Brown and his 1000 page tax book.

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Because Globalised wage arbitrage and automation mean that the game for labour is effectively rigged- the ability of capital to exploit labour is now out of balance. Labour needs to be empowered to enforce some claim on the wealth it produces- otherwise the process of wealth concentration continues to the point where demand failure kills the system.

All of the frantic attempts to restart lending are designed to evade a more basic redistribution of wealth that is required for the game to continue. A small handful of very rich people does not a modern economy make- they simply do not create enough demand to sustain one. Especially as their 'wealth' is in fact a claim on the future production of the same workforce they are are not paying today.

Two things have failed miserably in my lifetime.

1 Communism

2 Abolition of capital and corporal punishment.

The second more than the first TBH.

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Congratulations boomers, this is what you've provided for your children.

Let's hope you're not going to need our help in your retirement, especially as you're not going to be forced into selling your mansions to pay someone to wipe your ****.

Boo Hoo, Whine Whine

I was made redundant at the age of 19 (1979) having completed my apprentiship. Don't remember sitting on my **** blaming someone else though. It was a sign of the times and a fact of life.

So I shovelled shit for a year until something better came up and then I jumped and have kept my eyes open and my ear to the ground ever since, cos I don't want to be back shovelling shit again.

I sure don't live in a f**king mansion and I'll be putting a bullet in my head before anybody wipes my **** for me.

So grow up, get a spine and stop f**king whining.

Rant over, Goodnight.

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Congratulations boomers, this is what you've provided for your children.

Let's hope you're not going to need our help in your retirement, especially as you're not going to be forced into selling your mansions to pay someone to wipe your ****.

laugh.gif come **** wiping time most boomers are just going to take a last big swig of malt and drive the red sports car over a cliff to the sounds of their youth. They have won, the X-factor wannabes who man tesco tills have lost, they have been f*cked by a big Scottish bloke who wants to be a demi-god. At least my generation (teenage in the 80`s) still had music that could raise the pulse, although some 70`s kids still tell me nothing compares to the Small Faces etc!

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So I shovelled shit for a year until something better came up and then I jumped and have kept my eyes open and my ear to the ground ever since, cos I don't want to be back shovelling shit again.

Trouble is, a nineteen year old can't even get a job shoveling shit today, because Labour have given all the shit-shoveling jobs to cheap immigrants.

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