XswampyX Posted April 27, 2009 Share Posted April 27, 2009 Actually, just had an idea.All we'd (i.e anyone who didn't want to sign up to a terrifying vision of an Orwellian surveillance Police State) need to do, surely, is send 3 or 4 e-mails per day full of "filter" words SECRET WEAPONS STASH CRUSH THE INFIDELS etc etc?? Wouldn't that pretty much balls the whole thing up for them, assuming sufficient numbers? No, It will work like this..... 1. I is black and they think I am a terrorist. 2. They then go to my ISP and get details of all my e-mails, facebook, forum use etc, 3. Check who I have been in contact with. 4. goto step 2 They can then build up a profile of the terrorist cell. That sounds all fine and dandy, until the police/government/scum use it against me for some other reason. They won't need a new law or court order they will use this one. You will have to behave online as though a policeman was stood behind you. Allah jihad infidel bush obama pentagon new york iraq afghanistan pakistan iran smuggle ricin brown balls mandelson london 2012 terror plot explode plane bus tube train kuffir chinawhites blair kill murder bluewater bullring wembley hidden liquid powder anthrax postage guantanamo osama taleban Al-Qaeda extremist sunni mosque plan code heroin guns money Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jammo Posted April 27, 2009 Share Posted April 27, 2009 Allah jihad infidel bush obama pentagon new york iraq afghanistan pakistan iran smuggle ricin brown balls mandelson london 2012 terror plot explode plane bus tube train kuffir chinawhites blair kill murder bluewater bullring wembley hidden liquid powder anthrax postage guantanamo osama taleban Al-Qaeda extremist sunni mosque plan code heroin guns money Tourette's reaches a new low Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jammo Posted April 27, 2009 Share Posted April 27, 2009 (edited) So whenever you send an email in future add a couple a hundred megs of spam to it - make storage that much more interesting.. and maybe write a little script to randomly visit websites when the PC is idle. All well and good (?) until the bot eventually gains intelligence, and we get invaded by time-travelling sperminator robots from the future Edit: or Japan Edited April 27, 2009 by jammo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SarahBell Posted April 27, 2009 Share Posted April 27, 2009 Maybe the way to break it is to use the spam aspect - You just need to be on the mailing lists of everyone - you know all the spam you can get - filter it right and then you only get the right stuff - but company mailings lists - friends who send funnies out, everyone - the more the merrier... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ked Posted April 27, 2009 Share Posted April 27, 2009 The register did a handy HowTo on securing email a few weeks back: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/11/14/em...ryption_how_to/ It's pretty easy to setup inpenetrable encryption on your email service, but only really worth doing if the person you are sending to has a similar setup. Since last week, all of my web surfing is done over an encrypted link to a proxy server in a commercial datacentre. This was more to avoid Phorm than government snooping (and also for the geeky pleasure I get out of that kind of stuff). There are plenty of easy, free ways to get around these half ar*ed ideas. Feel free to PM me if you want some advice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@contradevian Posted April 27, 2009 Share Posted April 27, 2009 The register did a handy HowTo on securing email a few weeks back:http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/11/14/em...ryption_how_to/ It's pretty easy to setup inpenetrable encryption on your email service, but only really worth doing if the person you are sending to has a similar setup. You would be forced no doubt to hand over your private key if under suspision. Though I tend to use SSH tunnels for web browsing over insecure (mainly wireless) networks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Steve Cook Posted April 27, 2009 Share Posted April 27, 2009 This amounts to what Orwell predicted in 1984. The people who need monitoring are our MP's and police. Who kicks the crap out of peaceful demonstrators ? Who starts wars that kill hundreds of thousands on deliberately false intel ? Is it the average Joe at home, or those who now seek yet more powers ? Jack Boot Smith has lost the plot. I'd like to see CCTV in the house of commons bars. How about monitoring links between the police, big business and common purpose ? What about a proper debate on how we went to war wasting billions looking for WMD's that the Govt were told didn't exist ? How about telling us the truth about David Kelly's death ? This appears to be another NWO mandate which we can ill afford. The elite want complete control - and a free internet is a threat. I see Harperson is also at it with an unenforceable piece of legislation on removing class discrimination. The lunatics are at the helm as the titanic steams on towards the iceberg of state bankruptcy. Orwell's dystopian vision of a hellish future is fast approaching. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quagmire Posted April 27, 2009 Share Posted April 27, 2009 It wouldn't suprise me at all if the main motive behind this was simply to hold "dirt" on everyone. Nobody is squeaky clean, what a fantastic way to knock a wayward MP, Police officer or journalist into place - just release his porn browsing habit, his chat-logs with his mistress or the 'racist' or un-pc jokes he shares with his pals. Obviously the implications go much further than this, but judging by recent events surrounding Damian McBride, Draper and "Red Rag" New Labour have proved to be this spiteful and small-minded. Trying to claim this is part of the "war on terror" is absolutely ridiculous, Osama bin laden doesn't use sodding myface or discuss terrorist ideas on MSN. This, like all the previous anti-terror legislation targets you. They wan't to pull apart your life and find out what makes you tick and if they wan't to - decide not to put it back together again. What winds me up is that joe-public will once again bend over and take this ********, buying the soothing words of auntie beeb. What New Labour are proposing is no different to putting a microphone and camera in every room of every persons house. If the government tried that there would be outrage! Why are "real life" conversations and actions any more private than those on the internet? A distinction the government are keen to avoid discussing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justice Posted April 27, 2009 Share Posted April 27, 2009 The register did a handy HowTo on securing email a few weeks back:http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/11/14/em...ryption_how_to/ It's pretty easy to setup inpenetrable encryption on your email service, but only really worth doing if the person you are sending to has a similar setup. Since last week, all of my web surfing is done over an encrypted link to a proxy server in a commercial datacentre. This was more to avoid Phorm than government snooping (and also for the geeky pleasure I get out of that kind of stuff). There are plenty of easy, free ways to get around these half ar*ed ideas. Feel free to PM me if you want some advice. maybe we should compare notes on so called free proxy servers because i consider myself an expert and whilst i except you have some knowlage that sounds usefull you will not mind me asking you for the address of just one single poxey server that does not encrypt your IP address and allows posts and is not from Russia ? the reason i ask is i knocked up some software last year thay scraped address from so called free proxy list and tested the results. yes i got the odd few but the chances are they are looking for passwords and account details so as the saying goes nothing is for free and if you need to post something without anyone knowing then first clone your MAC address then take a laptop and look for un protected wifi connection in the next village. have you got a VPN tunnel to the proxy server or is it SSL ? remember the first people to use the red phones in the 60's are the people watching you now not that i give a $hit about these scum balls. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ked Posted April 28, 2009 Share Posted April 28, 2009 maybe we should compare notes on so called free proxy servers because i consider myself an expert and whilst i except you have some knowlage that sounds usefull you will not mind me asking you for the address of just one single poxey server that does not encrypt your IP address and allows posts and is not from Russia ? the reason i ask is i knocked up some software last year thay scraped address from so called free proxy list and tested the results.yes i got the odd few but the chances are they are looking for passwords and account details so as the saying goes nothing is for free and if you need to post something without anyone knowing then first clone your MAC address then take a laptop and look for un protected wifi connection in the next village. have you got a VPN tunnel to the proxy server or is it SSL ? remember the first people to use the red phones in the 60's are the people watching you now not that i give a $hit about these scum balls. I installed squid on a very low spec Linux VPS, the kind you can rent pretty easily for around £5 a month. I had some spare capacity on a dedicated server I'm using for some project work so it hasn't cost me anything really. I use putty for the SSH tunnel using a private key. This makes for a very secure VPN in effect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ked Posted April 28, 2009 Share Posted April 28, 2009 You would be forced no doubt to hand over your private key if under suspision.Though I tend to use SSH tunnels for web browsing over insecure (mainly wireless) networks. You are quite right about the legal requirement to hand over encryption keys. Although at least I would know that someone has taken a deep enough interest in my browsing habits / email to give a damn in the first place. It rules out any casual abuse of my privacy which is what I really care about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A.steve Posted April 28, 2009 Share Posted April 28, 2009 You are quite right about the legal requirement to hand over encryption keys. Although at least I would know that someone has taken a deep enough interest in my browsing habits / email to give a damn in the first place. It rules out any casual abuse of my privacy which is what I really care about. Quite. If anyone cared what I say or do, I'm only too happy to talk to them about it. What is worrying is the prospect for some under-educated, ill-informed, poorly paid, highly pressurised sod to go off half-cocked and jump to a bunch of ludicrous conclusions on the basis of one piece of data that, out of context, they misinterpret. Of course, the next step is to deny me due process because, if the allegation were to be appropriate, I'd pose a threat to society if I were to discover the specifics of the accusation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ked Posted April 28, 2009 Share Posted April 28, 2009 Quite. If anyone cared what I say or do, I'm only too happy to talk to them about it. What is worrying is the prospect for some under-educated, ill-informed, poorly paid, highly pressurised sod to go off half-cocked and jump to a bunch of ludicrous conclusions on the basis of one piece of data that, out of context, they misinterpret. Of course, the next step is to deny me due process because, if the allegation were to be appropriate, I'd pose a threat to society if I were to discover the specifics of the accusation. Precisely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amateursurgeon Posted April 28, 2009 Share Posted April 28, 2009 (edited) So what, people can just install TOR and become anonymous again. Until they ban that, then coders will come up with something else. We've been here before - anyone remember the Clipper Chip? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clipper_Chip Edited April 28, 2009 by amateursurgeon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A.steve Posted April 28, 2009 Share Posted April 28, 2009 So what, people can just install TOR and become anonymous again. The problem with Tor is that it is niche... so, by using Tor you might well become the innocent party implicated in some unsavoury activity that does (all be it not to your knowledge) appear to have originated from you. Maybe some good will come of this - for example, mainstream acceptance that email needs to be encrypted and signed? Sites accepting feedback doing so using SSL? Anyone attempting to keep rigorous logs of human interaction is on a hiding to nothing. The deck is stacked massively in favour of those who have a secret and want it hidden. Sure, you might catch some dumb low-level criminals, but these moves to track everyone plays into the hands of any serious criminal - because popular reactions generate better cover. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruffneck Posted April 28, 2009 Share Posted April 28, 2009 Will they be looking for key words that terrorists would openly use?Bomb Kill 10 Downing Street That cupid stunt Gordon Brown Dirty Parliament Gold Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattydread Posted April 28, 2009 Share Posted April 28, 2009 'Before the Fall of the Berlin Wall, East Germany's Secret Police Listened to Your Secrets' Everyone should watch this amazing film http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0405094/#comment Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattydread Posted April 28, 2009 Share Posted April 28, 2009 Subject of the Queen, Smith can ask whatver she want...but what about encrypted chat, encryped mail clients, tunneling networks, entirely closed web and pear to pear encrypted networks... monitor hew wide platsdarm yes, monitor the danger on the net, well no...these who need protection and privacy know how to hide, the normal user is not treat to nationa security, browsing porn is not going to blow buildings...Labours are seriously hilarious on ths topic. TLS IPSec and new protocls are developed each year, Transparent end-to-end encryption, other type of protocols make the monitoring impossible...The ammount of computing power and software that government must use in order to track and monitor people with skills is just beyond their wide imagination...So this is just another story of telling people big brother is watching...yeah it is, porn Are they a part of apple? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Potwalloper Posted April 28, 2009 Share Posted April 28, 2009 and immediately identifies the police as prime facie supporters of the arms trade. Not sure what you mean by prime facie but are you the one having a fantasy? Why wouldn't they be? Has it been made illegal yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Storm Posted April 28, 2009 Share Posted April 28, 2009 Since last week, all of my web surfing is done over an encrypted link to a proxy server in a commercial datacentre. This was more to avoid Phorm than government snooping (and also for the geeky pleasure I get out of that kind of stuff). Wouldnt they just be able to look at what the proxy server has looked at, and also that servers logs? Is this your own server just for you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElPapasito Posted April 28, 2009 Share Posted April 28, 2009 So whenever you send an email in future add a couple a hundred megs of spam to it - make storage that much more interesting.. and maybe write a little script to randomly visit websites when the PC is idle. Beautiful. No really, we must do it. Opensource software marketed through Liberty the amazing Civil Liberties organisation run by Ms Chakrabarti. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Storm Posted April 28, 2009 Share Posted April 28, 2009 (edited) Beautiful. No really, we must do it. Opensource software marketed through Liberty the amazing Civil Liberties organisation run by Ms Chakrabarti. The reason you shouldnt do it is the networks are already struggling in the evenings without sending more crap. Most mail servers automatically reject any e-mail over 10mb anyway. They do say that the way to stop spam dead is charge a tiny sum for each e-mail sent, like > 1p Edited April 28, 2009 by Johnny Storm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justice Posted April 28, 2009 Share Posted April 28, 2009 I installed squid on a very low spec Linux VPS, the kind you can rent pretty easily for around £5 a month. I had some spare capacity on a dedicated server I'm using for some project work so it hasn't cost me anything really.I use putty for the SSH tunnel using a private key. This makes for a very secure VPN in effect. respect Linux puts you head of the game for a start not that i like it or anything what we need is a server that receives email as normal but then uses personal scripts uploaded by the user to encrypt the contents before the email is sent onwards public string Encrypt(string message,string Key) { return myencriptedmessage(Key); } with millons of scripts i don't think big bro would stand a chance. browser could uses simple or complicated javascript to display the messages job done Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Concrete Jungle Posted April 28, 2009 Share Posted April 28, 2009 (edited) It has just been suggested we cut out the middle man and copy all our e mails direct to Jack boot Smith. Can anyone come up with her e mail address? * Found it* smithjj@parliament.uk Edited April 28, 2009 by Concrete Jungle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jp1 Posted April 28, 2009 Share Posted April 28, 2009 "Doing nothing is not an option!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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