ImA20SomethingGetMeOutOfHere Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 Quick think up a scheme so it looks like we are doing something." Isn't this how most Labour party policy gets decided? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonard Hatred Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 Generation crunch: young face crisis in hunt for workThis year's graduates face the toughest battle in a generation for jobs, with tens of thousands facing unemployment, according to evidence documenting the impact of the economic downturn. [blah blah rescue package] Evidence of the extent of the downturn in graduate recruitment uncovered by the Guardian includes: • Major companies have narrowed their search for graduates to five elite universities as they cut recruitment numbers. • The organisers of the annual graduate recruitment "milk round" say jobs in finance and retail are drying up. Even where companies are recruiting, vacancies will not necessarily last until summer as the economic slump worsens. • The management consultancy KPMG, seen as a recruitment barometer, says its 600 graduate entry jobs are nearly all taken months ahead of schedule as students scramble for the top jobs. • Manchester University careers service, the largest outside London, has seen the number of recruitment adverts taken out with its careers service tail off drastically. • Careers service managers have been inundated with desperate students who don't know what to do when they graduate because their plans are in tatters. • The slump in graduate jobs threatens unemployment for people with lower or no qualifications as graduates turn their sights on non-graduate vacancies. http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/2009/j...-rescue-package Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cashinmattress Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 Hmmmm.... dubious claims.... more like... Get my coffee beetch! Go clean out the parking lot ashtrays beetch! Heck. At least its money coming in! That's more than you can say for a lot of folk in the future! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monks Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 Hmm, conveniently keeps unemployment figures down, reduces Government expenditure on benefits, and allows the companies to "cherry pick" the best talent and then pay them half of what they normally would. Everyone’s a winner. (except the poor 'Stewdant' who is left wondering just how long its going to take them to pay off £25K of debt whilst earning £8K a year) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
this_prisoner_is_opting_out Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 allows the companies to "cherry pick" the best talent and then pay them half of what they normally would.(except the poor 'Stewdant' who is left wondering just how long its going to take them to pay off £25K of debt whilst earning £8K a year) Half? They'll be lucky, I thought these internships work largely unpaid and that the yanks did them for the "experience". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1929crash Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 Half? They'll be lucky, I thought these internships work largely unpaid and that the yanks did them for the "experience". Like the White house - what experience are we talking about? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bendy Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 or limiting their participation to the elite institutions. most worrying part by far - lets make sure the future is run by toby - out of touch, spoiled, no mates but a fanny magnet due to the amount of notes he keeps dropping from his pockets carelessly. sigh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrPin Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 not sure what's worse forcing kids to stay on at school to get more qualifacitions that they wont use, or bribing big business to take grads on that they don't need on shite (below minimum) wages. Nail! Head! Hit! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renterbob Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 They can diig the fields and get out tatties for mashed potatoes. After that, they can dig up the carrots. Turnips. Cabbages. Low paid graduates with menial task employment, once educated in private secondaries, at great expense and suffering of their hard working parents, mewing themselves to the hilt to get their kids a career and life. Not nice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrashedOutAndBurned Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 (edited) This already happens. It's now typical for new grads to have to work for free for six months or a year to gain 'experience' even if theyare doing skilled work that requires an education. It used to be the creative industries that got free workers in this way as there's always a trustarfarian who doesn't care about not getting paid but it's now spreading to mundane employment areas. Only about 1 in 40 graduates land what you might call an old-school milkround traineeship with a large company. Most just shuffle around finding that in the wider job market they're barely valued more than a semi-failed school leaver with a CLAIT in typing. Now ratbag employers will get state subsidy for their free workers? Nice one, Gordon. Edited January 10, 2009 by CrashedOutAndBurned Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renterbob Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 This already happens. It's now typical for new grads to have to work for free for six months or a year to gain 'experience' even if theyare doing skilled work that requires an education. It used to be the creative industries that got free workers in this way as there's always a trustarfarian who doesn't care about not getting paid but it's now spreading to mundane employment areas.Only about 1 in 40 graduates land what you might call an old-school milkround traineeship with a large company. Most just shuffle around finding that in the wider job market they're barely valued more than a semi-failed school leaver with a CLAIT in typing. Now ratbag employers will get state subsidy for their free workers? Nice one, Gordon. I did 6 months of that. Not nice, they keep the good 'uns, and don't give good references as they don't want to lose them. Tricky positions for alot of graduates...I can see this lasting 10 years with lack of funding that's coming our way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hilltop Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 This scheme should have started 10 years ago. It is certainly neccessary as part of the 'Wider Participation' project because the well-connected could always arrnge for their kids to work in their uncle's Merchant Bank. But it does pander to the employer's perception that they do not need to do any training. Pay a few quid more and they will find someone with 'experience'. We have not shaken free of a labour market wholly driven by short-termism. Similiarly, now is the time to double statutory redundancy pay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InternationalRockSuperstar Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/2009/j...-rescue-package• Major companies have narrowed their search for graduates to five elite universities as they cut recruitment numbers. "Malcolm Grant, provost of University College London and current chair of the Russell Group of 20 leading universities, said: "Firms are already narrowing their search to a small number of universities: Oxford, Cambridge, the LSE, UCL and Imperial, and I think that's a shame." is that really true or is Malcolm Grant just trying to make UCL sound better by grouping it with four better universities? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bogbrush Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 Another of the cruel lies is being exposed. Sending kids to made-up Universities to study a Media Studies & Flower Arrangement Joint Honours and toddle off with a great big debt rammed up their bums always felt like not the most ideal start to a career. But I forget, we had a Knowledge Economy didn't we! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bogbrush Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 This scheme should have started 10 years ago. It is certainly neccessary as part of the 'Wider Participation' project because the well-connected could always arrnge for their kids to work in their uncle's Merchant Bank. But it does pander to the employer's perception that they do not need to do any training. Pay a few quid more and they will find someone with 'experience'. We have not shaken free of a labour market wholly driven by short-termism. Similiarly, now is the time to double statutory redundancy pay. Dream on. You're living in the 50's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackhole Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 (edited) Hold on a sec - some courses such as mine made a industrial placement almost compulsary, which was actually paid work experience for a year. Pretty much everyone I work with at work who's within 5yrs of my age had done some form of an industrial placement before they had joined the company. Maybe more graduates could do with a sandwhich year to get them a bit more ready and tuned for reality in the working world, nevermind proof they can get out of bed early for a year Also, honestly what skills do some of these 'degrees' such as Media Studies even offer to employers....?! Edited January 10, 2009 by blackhole Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fudge Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 What will happen will be that people will have to take jobs much lower than their qualifications and experiance. This is what happened in the last recession. For example some one who worked in the city will have to settle for work in a camping shop selling tents. This all has a knock on effect that the poor unskilled, semi skilled worker has competition on both sides from people downgrading and cheap immigrant labor. They will inevitably end up on the dole and be labeled lazy bastards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fudge Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 If you are a young person coming up to school leaving age during a recession what are your choices? Leave and get a job - easier said than done. Go to university - get into debt but at least you are doing something that may improve your chances. Go on the dole - not a good start to working life Emmigrate - where to? still need qualifications/experiance Start own business - need capital Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest skullingtonjoe Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 What will happen will be that people will have to take jobs much lower than their qualifications and experiance.This is what happened in the last recession. For example some one who worked in the city will have to settle for work in a camping shop selling tents. This all has a knock on effect that the poor unskilled, semi skilled worker has competition on both sides from people downgrading and cheap immigrant labor. They will inevitably end up on the dole and be labeled lazy bastards. This situation is totally fukt up. It`s only because the geraduates are potential labour voters that they`re getting the much-trumpeted help. `Cannot leave people to fend for themselves?` Oh come on, that`s what this government has done with homeowners, taxpayers, savers, pensioners etc etc etc. It`s going to be a sorry state of affairs when a toilet cleaner (sorry I meant public hygiene implementation executive) has to have a degree in microbiology! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petrodollar Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 What will happen will be that people will have to take jobs much lower than their qualifications and experiance.This is what happened in the last recession. For example some one who worked in the city will have to settle for work in a camping shop selling tents. This all has a knock on effect that the poor unskilled, semi skilled worker has competition on both sides from people downgrading and cheap immigrant labor. They will inevitably end up on the dole and be labeled lazy bastards. Disagree. If I owned a camping shop and needed sales staff or any other staff for that matter I would want an honst reliable person with good people skills. That person may have a degree or not as a higher qualification is pointless for the post. Personal experience is that people with higher qualifications applying for low skill posts often have a "chip on the shoulder" which is undesirable. What is the point of employing an msc grad in "xxx" to process back office paper or sell fish. In short I think what will happen is the "natural" choices for low end jobs will get the job, and over qualified and often bitter graduates will be on the dole. Labour have sold education leads to good employment dreams to kids with very average ability this country dont have the jobs to support the gov talk, they didn't have them before the current difficulty! Result dole offices full of graduates with no hope and lots of debt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonard Hatred Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 What will happen will be that people will have to take jobs much lower than their qualifications and experiance.This is what happened in the last recession. [...] The terrifying thing is that this was the situation during the boom! Virtually all of both myself and Mrs Clayhead's mates are graduates with non-graduate jobs, such was the saturation of the market already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bogbrush Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 (edited) If you are a young person coming up to school leaving age during a recession what are your choices?Go to university - get into debt but at least you are doing something that may improve your chances. . WRONG. A degree in the History of Diversity in Dance from the University of Tower Hamlets is unpersuasive to most emplyers.Start own business - need capital. .WRONG you need ambition, drive and determination. Edited January 10, 2009 by bogbrush Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hilltop Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 But they will not be given the sh1tshovelling jobs. The employer will not want someone better qualified than him doing a job from which they may notice things and suggest change. Nor will they employ someone evidently ready to move on at the first opportunity. Graduate under and un employment is already a scandal. They are just unrepresented and coerced by institutionalism. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fudge Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 Disagree.If I owned a camping shop and needed sales staff or any other staff for that matter I would want an honst reliable person with good people skills. That person may have a degree or not as a higher qualification is pointless for the post. Personal experience is that people with higher qualifications applying for low skill posts often have a "chip on the shoulder" which is undesirable. What is the point of employing an msc grad in "xxx" to process back office paper or sell fish. In short I think what will happen is the "natural" choices for low end jobs will get the job, and over qualified and often bitter graduates will be on the dole. Labour have sold education leads to good employment dreams to kids with very average ability this country dont have the jobs to support the gov talk, they didn't have them before the current difficulty! Result dole offices full of graduates with no hope and lots of debt. I don't know if my experiance of this in the last recession was typical or not but I do remember it happening. People who were as I would call them then middle class, normally occupying middle class type occupations would take working class occupations to tide them over the recession. Leaving working class people little work and ending up on the dole. Its like a pecking order. The boss shouts at the manager, the manager goes and takes it out on the worker, the worker goes home and kicks the cat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
symo Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 Funny stuff. If it weren't how deluded this nation was. We don't need the majority of these graduates, they are at best good for sitting in a call centre. We need to stop this university madness right now. Anything other than Maths Science and Engineering should have it's course fee's tripled. The UK needs to learn how to build things that the rest of the world want to buy, like Germany. Before the German haters leap on this let me say yes they will suffer a downturn but at least they will continue to earn foreign currency as people want to generate power using their equipment, whilst the UK can enjoy GB's service economy benefits (PS Declan Curry I still remember how you laughed at industrial economies in Europe you fat ill educated retard) To be honest the UK engineering and science/maths courses are still the best in the world. Mainly because the people on them have no illusions as to how life is and they tend to attract more sensible people. I am not including theoretical phycicists though as they are just plain mad. UK engineering graduates are still highly rounded and mouldable in comparison to graduates around the world who tend to end up specialising way too early. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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