Massive Postal Vote Fraud Concerns

[Guest The Relaxation Suite]

"Flat in council block... a month ago there was one registered voter; now there are 18.... Asifur Rahman, 21, said he was one of ten Bangladeshi students living in the four-bed flat, but did not know the remaining names on the list."

"Another resident was surprised to learn that eight complete strangers were also registered as living in the small flat she shares with her partner. Other addresses investigated by the Mail were linked to the Labour Party."

"Anti-sleaze campaigner Martin Bell said: ‘There is actually a possibility that the result of the election could be decided by electoral fraud. That’s pretty grim."

Socialists up to their old tricks again, I see. Nice to know they have such faith in the elctorate and respect it so much.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/election/article-1271457/General-Election-2010-Postal-vote-fraud-amid-fears-bogus-voters-swing-election.html

Edited May 4, 2010 by Tecumseh

[Qetesuesi]

"Flat in council block... a month ago there was one registered voter; now there are 18.... Asifur Rahman, 21, said he was one of ten Bangladeshi students living in the four-bed flat, but did not know the remaining names on the list."

"Another resident was surprised to learn that eight complete strangers were also registered as living in the small flat she shares with her partner. Other addresses investigated by the Mail were linked to the Labour Party."

"Anti-sleaze campaigner Martin Bell said: ‘There is actually a possibility that the result of the election could be decided by electoral fraud. That’s pretty grim."

Socialists up to their old tricks again, I see. Nice to know they have such faith in the elctorate and respect it so much.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/election/article-1271457/General-Election-2010-Postal-vote-fraud-amid-fears-bogus-voters-swing-election.html

So that's why "25%" are still going to vote NuLab. All clear now :angry:

[headmelter]

An old Irish saying : Vote Early and Often !

[LeeT]

Tell me about it.

This is what my local rag has to say Bradford T&A

'

Ballot packs are being sent out to the 58,702 people who have applied to vote by post in the General Election and the 59,328 who want a postal vote for the Bradford Council elections'.

According to ElectoralCalculus 108000 votes were cast in 2005 across the 3 Bradford seats. The 58702 figure may include Keighley and Shipley constituencies too though, so maybe nearer to 180000 votes cast.

If we assume you don't apply for a postal ballot if you do not wish to vote and take the 180000 voters in 5 constituency figure, approx 1 in 3 votes are postal and many are open to fraud.

We had court cases over electoral fraud last time in my seat and have had arrests this time.

There's seems little point in me voting in what I'm sure is a rigged ballot.

Edited May 4, 2010 by LeeT

[Guest The Relaxation Suite]

Tell me about it.

This is what my local rag has to say Bradford T&A

'

According to ElectoralCalculus 108000 votes were cast in 2005 across the 3 Bradford seats. The 58702 figure may include Keighley and Shipley constituencies too though, so maybe nearer to 180000 votes cast.

If we assume you don't apply for a postal ballot if you do not wish to vote and take the 180000 voters in 5 constituency figure, approx 1 in 3 votes are postal and many are open to fraud.

We had court cases over electoral fraud last time in my seat and have had arrests this time.

There's seems little point in me voting in what I'm sure is a rigged ballot.

Interesting reading some of the comments under story. One person says she's aware of 16 year olds getting postal votes and another person says her family has missing votes. Labour introduced the postal vote system and now we know why - back up plan should the Tories ever get too popular!

[Wahoo]

Do you really expect anything else from this Banana Republic?

[OnlyMe]

With a large majority such things were quite easily brushed under the carpet becuase in reality it probably made no differnce to the result.

A close result, or some shonky lib/lab pact would be a different story. A hung parliment riddled with election fraud, probably just about what the UK deserves.

[Nationalist]

Why is always Asians involved in vote rigging?

I mean, are trying to FORCE people to vote BNP?

[Guest The Relaxation Suite]

Why is always Asians involved in vote rigging?

I mean, are trying to FORCE people to vote BNP?

I don't know if the Asians are the ones doing the rigging, but the phantom names on the postal votes are mainly Asians. One comment that interested me on the DM was some bloke saying that he had a letter from the local health authority asking to clarify why there were 10 people registered as living at his house, even though it's just been him and his wife for the last 20 years.

I think this could be a real, serious attempt to subvert an election.

[Nationalist]

It's not a new thing, and it's always Asians, check this out....

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/west_midlands/4310965.stm

Three Labour councillors in Birmingham were caught operating a "vote-rigging factory", an Election Court has heard.

Police found the trio handling unsealed postal ballots in a deserted warehouse in the city during a late-night raid in June 2004, the hearing was told.

The votes were later counted towards that month's English local elections.

The men, elected to the Aston ward, deny collecting votes fraudulently. The judge presiding has indicated the whole postal voting system is under scrutiny.

Deputy High Court Judge Richard Mawrey, QC told the hearing at the Birmingham and Midlands Institute the case could have potentially serious consequences for any forthcoming General Election.

Industrial estate

The special Election Court, the first in living memory to hear allegations of vote-rigging, opened in Birmingham last month.

The case against Muhammad Afzal, Mohammed Islam and Mohammed Kazi is being brought by local Liberal Democrat supporters.

They claim the trio benefited from the widespread misuse of postal votes during the 10 June election.

Ravi Sukul, counsel for the petitioners, accused the three men of being "deeply involved" in illegal practices.

Witnesses saw them carrying several bags from their campaign office, which the men drove to a warehouse on an industrial estate off Birch Road East, the court was told.

'Scattered' documents

The police were alerted and called to the premises.

Mr Sukul said: "When (the officers) arrived there, in the middle of the night, they saw a large room with a 10ft long table and six Asian men present.

"Hundreds of documents and unsealed envelopes were scattered all over the table."

The police officers left the warehouse, but were later ordered back to seize the documents.

"When the officers left, all the envelopes and papers were scattered," Mr Sukul said.

'Vote-forging factory'

"(When they went) back to make the seizure, every one of these 275 yellow ballot papers were placed neatly in envelope A and sealed. The house was in order."

Interrupting Mr Sukul in his opening, Mr Mawrey said: "What you are saying is, these men were operating a vote-forging factory on an industrial estate."

The court heard how documents were taken by police to the elections office next morning, where they were mixed in with other ballots.

The case against the men follows a hearing into postal fraud allegations made against three other Birmingham councillors in the Bordesley Green ward, claims which are denied.

Mr Mawrey is due to deliver a judgment in their case once the Aston petition has been heard.

Mr Afzal, Mr Islam and Mr Kazi deny conspiring to commit election fraud to deceive the returning officer.

[ken_ichikawa]

It's not a new thing, and it's always Asians, check this out....

I hate the way people say Asians and encompass all of Asia, by enlarge Far Eastern types tend not to vote anyway but then again my minority makes up 0.007% of the UK population and therefore nobody panders to my vote anyway.

[Si1]

I think all parties have been involved n this at some point in the past I'm afraid

I have recently had a spurious other person added to my council tax bill. I simply emailed the council and tyold them they had made a mistake.

Could this be a sign of electoral fraud? and should I chase it up with someone else such as the police?

[Guest The Relaxation Suite]

I would be inclined to investigate this matter. A letter should be sent asking for a reply to confirm that they had made an error. If someone is trying to establish himself as living at your address for criminal purposes such as identity theft then you really should check into it.

It's "Asians" this time. Two Asian teenagers beat this journalist up while he was investigating the fraud. Like Hitler's Brownshirts - rigging elections and beating up anyone who got in the way.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/the-first-punch-came-landing-on-my-nose-sending-blood-down-my-face-1961464.html

[Nationalist]

I hate the way people say Asians and encompass all of Asia, by enlarge Far Eastern types tend not to vote anyway but then again my minority makes up 0.007% of the UK population and therefore nobody panders to my vote anyway.

Sorry 'bout that. Obviously I'm talking about people from Pakistan and Bangladesh really but that's far too much typing! "Asian" doesn't include "Chinese" in the UK vernacular; unlike in the USA where Asian means Chinese and southern Asians are called Indians regardless of which country they are from.

Judging by the prevalence of the name "Mohammed" amoung the conspirators vote-rigging in the UK is very much a Pakistan-Bangladesh-Muslim thing.

[Nationalist]

It's "Asians" this time. Two Asian teenagers beat this journalist up while he was investigating the fraud. Like Hitler's Brownshirts - rigging elections and beating up anyone who got in the way.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/the-first-punch-came-landing-on-my-nose-sending-blood-down-my-face-1961464.html

He should have taken the BNP security team with him; they'd have sorted them out good and proper...

[@contradevian]

It's "Asians" this time. Two Asian teenagers beat this journalist up while he was investigating the fraud. Like Hitler's Brownshirts - rigging elections and beating up anyone who got in the way.

http://www.independe...ce-1961464.html

“So far Scotland Yard is looking into 28 allegations of bogus voter registration in London, although the Conservative and Respect parties both say they have highlighted many more. Concerns have been amplified by a flood of new voter registrations in the past few weeks in the run-up to the nationwide deadline on 20 April. Election officials in Tower Hamlets have removed 141 suspect ballots from the register but overall 5,166 new names were received before the deadline with little time to check their veracity.”

Labour are going to swing this election through pure fraud, and thats not taking into account the gerrymandering of seats. One wonders if the result could be contested in the Courts like the US?

[juvenal]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/election/article-1271522/General-Election-2010-Postal-voting-farce-shames-democracy.html

Daily Mail is on this one today. BBC did reports on it last week. People going from door to door in Pakistan collecting signed, but blank postal voting forms. Three quarters of British Pakistanis come from one defined area. Tens of thousands live there. It seems the local custom is to let someone else in the UK decide who you vote for, or accept the decision of your local bigwig as to your 'choice'.

A leading politician from the area has been touring UK regions 'advising' those originating from his home turf who they should vote for.

Yet another scandal.

Edited May 4, 2010 by juvenal

[kingsgate]

Even leaving aside the many incidents of out-and-out fraud, there is a wider issue with widespread use of postal votes, which also seems to happen most in South asian communities:

heads of extended families voting for everyone - there's no "secret ballot" with postal votes.

The whole point of a secret ballot is that no-one - not family, friends, co-workers, union reps, your boss at work, whoever, can actually stop you voting as YOU wish, because they will never know your choice.

With postal votes, you will get the "head" of the family basically making sure that his wife (or wives) sons, daughters, etc etc all give their voting slips to him to complete, and he in turn sometimes being told by some local "community leader" who to support.

So you get nigh-on 100% "support" for the local Labour candidate on the say-so of some community leader.

Postal voting used to be restricted to those who had a good reason to need one: the disables or sick, people away from home etc.

There was and is no good reason to offer mass postal votes to people in general: walking to the local polling station is not such a hardship.

It just encourages fraud and intimidation of family members into voting as they are told to.

I am sure Labour knew this full well when they introduced mass postal voting.

[Guest Skinty]

On the other hand, think how exciting the news will be in a hung parliament as one by one Labour MPs are convicted of fraud and by-elections are called until there is a electoral reform and a vote of no-confidence.

[Ben from Dover]

Why is always Asians involved in vote rigging?

I mean, are trying to FORCE people to vote BNP?

It could be simply that it is a daily mail article that therefore they are linking the article to race / immegration as they so often do.

[Maddog21]

Read this INDY today

'The first punch came, landing on my nose, sending blood down my face'

'Independent' reporter Jerome Taylor relives his bloody experience on the trail of voting fraud in east London

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/the-first-punch-came-landing-on-my-nose-sending-blood-down-my-face-1961464.html

Reporter Jerome Taylor after yesterday's attack in Bethnal Green, east London

When I look back on it now what surprises me is how disarmingly polite my attackers were.

"What are you doing?" asked one of the two, seemingly inquisitive, Asian teenagers who approached me on a quiet cul-de-sac in Bow, east London, shortly after 1pm yesterday.

"There's been a photographer around here, do you know her?" he added.

...........cont at link

Edited May 4, 2010 by Maddog21

[Ben from Dover]

I don't know if the Asians are the ones doing the rigging, but the phantom names on the postal votes are mainly Asians. One comment that interested me on the DM was some bloke saying that he had a letter from the local health authority asking to clarify why there were 10 people registered as living at his house, even though it's just been him and his wife for the last 20 years.

I think this could be a real, serious attempt to subvert an election.

Wouldn't they end up paying loads more council tax?

Wouldn't be surprised if this was linked to BTL in some way. all the properties in the article sound like BTL's and it would be much easier for a landlord to do this than for some random just to stick a load of extra names down on a house they know nothing about.

[Wahoo]

I guess the only answer is that we all dip our finger in red indelible ink when we cast out votes.

Oh - hang on a mo - isn’t that what they did in Zimbabwe?

[Ben from Dover]

A further issue raised by the article but not expanded on is why somebody who is not a British Citizen and is just here to study should get the right to vote at all. This country is rubbish

[bomberbrown]

http://www.dailymail...-democracy.html

Daily Mail is on this one today. BBC did reports on it last week. People going from door to door in Pakistan collecting signed, but blank postal voting forms. Three quarters of British Pakistanis come from one defined area. Tens of thousands live there. It seems the local custom is to let someone else in the UK decide who you vote for, or accept the decision of your local bigwig as to your 'choice'.

A leading politician from the area has been touring UK regions 'advising' those originating from his home turf who they should vote for.

Yet another scandal.

I think if you're no longer domicile in the UK after 3 years you lose the right to a proxy vote or maybe any vote. How long before we go down the purple dye on the finger route in order to stamp this fraud out?