interestrateripoff Posted October 6, 2012 Share Posted October 6, 2012 Please don't mention any names or this thread will understandable be killed. Reading the press at the minute it seems to be open season that there has been a large child abuse ring going on with radio/TV celebs. Strangely no hint of film stars being involved yet. The Wail is suggesting there might have been a ring inside the BBC supposedly going on from 70's. There does appear to be a bit of BBC bashing here as I doubt that this will just stop at the BBC at the press appear to be having a field day with this story although there is a bigger issue of why this is suddenly being revealed. Is this going to open up pandora's box? Reading blindgossip and crazy day and nights there are suggestions that various US child stars are being taken advantage of and on the flip side you perhaps do have teen stars seeing how you get ahead in the game and that's to sleep with producers and other stars who are going to help your career. I would imagine there are a lot of very worried people out there getting nervous about how this story is going to develop, so how will the press kill this story now as clearly if anyone who's alive gets charged with this they might blow the lid on everyone. There must be a lot of stars who have slept with girls who claimed at the time they where older when in fact they where under age. If you want to discuss keep things vague and don't mention names otherwise you'll kill the thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccc Posted October 6, 2012 Share Posted October 6, 2012 It's going from bad to worse for the beeb. Apparently someone has just come forward saying they once saw rod hull fisting a young burd. Where will it end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thecrashingisles Posted October 6, 2012 Share Posted October 6, 2012 I don't think there was a ring as such but there was obviously a lot of tolerance of things that shouldn't have happened. Just look at Bill Wyman and Mandy Smith or Jerry Lee Lewis and Myra Brown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thecrashingisles Posted October 6, 2012 Share Posted October 6, 2012 It's going from bad to worse for the beeb. Apparently someone has just come forward saying they once saw rod hull fisting a young burd. Where will it end. Keith Harris apparently preferred them still in nappies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaspers Posted October 6, 2012 Share Posted October 6, 2012 The past is a different country. CSA was under-reported and disbelieved by many of those organisations whose job it is now to protect children (IMO). If there is evidence of abuse, it is more likely to be investigated now, as opposed to 40yrs ago. Many of those who have been alleged to be involved in abuse will still be alive, will have access to potential victims, and could still be involved in abuse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuggets Mahoney Posted October 6, 2012 Share Posted October 6, 2012 Think back to Operation Ore The US supplied the British Police with credit card details of thousands of British citizens who downloaded illegal material. There were some high profile arrests and hints in the papers that senior political figures and all sorts were also on the lists, then... everyone suddenly realised that the credit card numbers may have been stolen and the entire business was dropped like a hot potato. As a general point, of all the puff and speculation on the internet, this is a subject that seems to provoke the most ire from the authorities. Speculate and joke about 9/11 and Space Lizards, including names, till the cows come home. Get a little too near the knuckle with this stuff and you'll hear about it. As a related aside, if Belgians were having this discussion they'd probably be more certain that such rings exist... On October 20 about 300,000 people (estimates range from 275,000 to 325,000, around 3% of Belgium's population)[1][2] marched through Brussels. Many Belgians who lived outside Brussels came to the city to take part in the march. This demonstration, called the "The White March", was the largest one Brussels had ever seen. Everyone was carrying something white: a balloon, a cloak, etc.; some had painted their face white. White was meant symbolically, as the color of hope. This symbolism had grown after Queen Fabiola wore white at the funeral of her husband. During the march, the fire brigade turned their hoses on the Federal Parliament buildings to symbolically cleanse it. With the demonstration, the Belgian public opinion wanted to indicate something had to change in Belgium and that the justice system and the police had to show more attention to children. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corevalue Posted October 6, 2012 Share Posted October 6, 2012 Sex with adolescent girls? Sure, lots of it. No coercion or "grooming" required, the girls would throw themselves into the star's limos. It should be remembered that these girls weren't "children" in the sense of pre-pubescent innocence. They were out to bed a pop star, but it was illegal then as it is now. Think of Tracy Lords, the porn star, pregnant at 15 and made 100 movies before she was "legal". I never saw or heard of a "ring" however. A lot of people in the entertainment business were gay, and there was a lot of activity in that scene with their "chickens" (young attractive men) which was illegal at the time. I never heard of any exploitation there either, except by the chickens (most of whom were straight btw) of their sugar-daddies. I DO remember underage prostitutes, I'm talking 12 or 13, openly working in the street in Soho, and the police not giving a rat's rse. There were a lot of girls who ran away from home, who wound up being abused and exploited by the more unsavoury characters on the fringe of crime. Many of them were Irish. But there's no money to be made sueing these people is there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuggets Mahoney Posted October 6, 2012 Share Posted October 6, 2012 Harry Enfield's Smashie and Nicey characters make explicit reference to pederasty, so the suspicion was clearly around in the early 90s. Back in the 90s there was a rumour about seedy goings on between a senior Tory cabinet minister and a footballer. Long before (and after) the allegations themselves surfaced in the newspapers, I remember noticing several different (Murdoch) newspapers sticking separate stories about that particular cabinet minister and that particular footballer next to each other on the same page. If you had heard the rumours it was quite blatant. If you hadn't it would have passed you by. Maybe the editors were doing no more than enjoying an in-joke. Maybe it really was coincidental. Maybe they were up to something darker. I'd be inclined to bet against coincidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuggets Mahoney Posted October 6, 2012 Share Posted October 6, 2012 A lot of people in the entertainment business were gay, and there was a lot of activity in that scene with their "chickens" (young attractive men) which was illegal at the time. Just as well it wasn't enforced too enthusiastically. It would have played havoc with the Carry On filming schedules. there was a lot of activity in that scene with their "chickens" (young attractive men) aka (sort of) 'Twinks' - not to be confused in google searches with the New Zealand word for Tippex, which I have seen happen on one unfortunate occasion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrashedOutAndBurned Posted October 6, 2012 Share Posted October 6, 2012 You have to out this in context. In the 70s and 80s we weren't long from the 60s sexual liberation and homosexuality had fairly recently been decriminalised. In the 1970s peado-liberation groups would often share membership with relatively mainstream liberation groups. Certain extremely 'right-on' people were also rather sympathetic to the kiddly-fiddling cause. Thus, is this context, someone with a predilection for children may have been not as shocking as today. It might have been the stuff of nudge, nudge, wink wink. The era of 'Minipops' was nicely spoofed in the Day Today as Kiddystare. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ticket2ride Posted October 6, 2012 Share Posted October 6, 2012 This story is unraveling like the BBC's phone hacking moment. Senior managers have tried the lone bad apple defence but it doesnt appear to be holding up under scrutiny. Just today Liz Kershaw claims there was a culture in which this kind of behaviour was tolerated. Despite attempts to normalise child abuse by claiming girls threw themselves at middle aged men, stories suggest that these child molesters targeted girls at children's homes because they knew any claims would not be taken seriously by the authorities. This appears to be standard paedophile modus operandi. Clearly paedophile rings exist, as shown by successful prosecutions in derby, rochdale etc. Well done to the police and DPP for getting results there. Anyone in any doubt about how horrific these people are should read up on the ring that are alleged to have abused the downs syndrome girl in Aberdeen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrashedOutAndBurned Posted October 6, 2012 Share Posted October 6, 2012 Anyone in any doubt about how horrific these people are should read up on the ring that are alleged to have abused the downs syndrome girl in Aberdeen. Speaking as someone that believes it's hugely plausible that huge high-level rings were involved in the Belgian, Haut de la Garenne, North Wales and Northern Ireland scandals among others, this one is 100% complete ********. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuggets Mahoney Posted October 6, 2012 Share Posted October 6, 2012 this one is 100% complete ********. +1 Those particular allegations don't pass even a cursory sniff test imho Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R K Posted October 6, 2012 Share Posted October 6, 2012 Is this going to open up pandora's box? Her too!?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juvenal Posted October 6, 2012 Share Posted October 6, 2012 I read Lolita by Vladimir Nabokov in the 1970's - it was very fashionable at the time and almost set the tone that sexual freedom with ones so young and innocent was not such a bad thing as part of the overall sexual revolution. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/labour/4949555/Harriet-Harman-under-attack-over-bid-to-water-down-child-pornography-law.html Surprised this hasn't surfaced yet as symptomatic of the culture of those decades... Worth a look at the NCCL and their connexion with paedophile groups back then. Miss [Harriet] Harman, 58, was a newly qualified solicitor when she became legal officer for the National Council for Civil Liberties, now known as Liberty, in 1978. At the time its general secretary was Patricia Hewitt, who went on to become health secretary under Tony Blair. Among the groups affiliated to NCCL were the Paedophile Information Exchange and Paedophile Action for Liberation, whose members argued openly for the abolition of the age of consent. From Telegraph article. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuggets Mahoney Posted October 6, 2012 Share Posted October 6, 2012 Surprised this hasn't surfaced yet as symptomatic of the culture of those decades... It's still bang-on contemporary and openly celebrated in the fashion industry afaic. edit: and not exactly out of date in the music industry either... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuggets Mahoney Posted October 6, 2012 Share Posted October 6, 2012 This story is unraveling like the BBC's phone hacking moment. Senior managers have tried the lone bad apple defence but it doesnt appear to be holding up under scrutiny. Just today Liz Kershaw claims there was a culture in which this kind of behaviour was tolerated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corevalue Posted October 6, 2012 Share Posted October 6, 2012 This story is unraveling like the BBC's phone hacking moment. Senior managers have tried the lone bad apple defence but it doesnt appear to be holding up under scrutiny. Just today Liz Kershaw claims there was a culture in which this kind of behaviour was tolerated. Despite attempts to normalise child abuse by claiming girls threw themselves at middle aged men, stories suggest that these child molesters targeted girls at children's homes because they knew any claims would not be taken seriously by the authorities. This appears to be standard paedophile modus operandi. Clearly paedophile rings exist, as shown by successful prosecutions in derby, rochdale etc. Well done to the police and DPP for getting results there. Anyone in any doubt about how horrific these people are should read up on the ring that are alleged to have abused the downs syndrome girl in Aberdeen. Such rings may well exist, but I'm pretty sure they don't in the entertainment business. There's plenty enough groupies to satisfy anyone without the need to look for them Did you ever see footage of the Beatles concerts? Teenage girls literally peeing themselves in excitement. Bob Geldorf said "I remember looking down at the cinema floor and seeing these rivulets of p*ss in the aisles. The girls were literally p*ssing themselves with excitement. So what I associate most with The Beatles is the smell of girls' urine." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thecrashingisles Posted October 6, 2012 Share Posted October 6, 2012 Savile's introduction to this song sounds a bit sinister in retrospect. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqIpAha6MWU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blobloblob Posted October 6, 2012 Share Posted October 6, 2012 I heard a rumour that several Radio One DJs own some kebab shops in Heywood and Rochdale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkman Posted October 6, 2012 Share Posted October 6, 2012 Is this going to open up pandora's box? I think it already has. Since all these BBC employees are now coming forward with their revelations about Savile, the question is if they knew all along then why not do something about it? The BBC tries to maintain a squeeky clean image. Once that's gone, what's left? Sure there was a different attitude back in the 70's, but the laws were the same. The entertainment industry is full of people who want access to young people. They are sexual predators, who specifically chose a career for it's sexual opportunities. From my previous work in music and the media I saw it time and time again. Eventually I wised up & realised that it was a rotten place to be, so I left. That's just my experience, and no doubt there are other views. But personally I got a strong impression about it all, and it's not unusual for people to be motivated by their sex drive is it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest eight Posted October 6, 2012 Share Posted October 6, 2012 Bob Geldorf said That's interesting, because Bob Geldof also reminds me of a bodily function. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrashedOutAndBurned Posted October 6, 2012 Share Posted October 6, 2012 I think it already has. Since all these BBC employees are now coming forward with their revelations about Savile, the question is if they knew all along then why not do something about it? The BBC tries to maintain a squeeky clean image. Once that's gone, what's left? Sure there was a different attitude back in the 70's, but the laws were the same. I've met someone that worked at the BBC in a low-level capacity and left largely due to both the arrogance of BBC employees (not just the stars) and the coke-snorters huddled in the toilets. Certainly the cuddly Auntie image is a load of old drivel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
okaycuckoo Posted October 6, 2012 Share Posted October 6, 2012 Savile's introduction to this song sounds a bit sinister in retrospect. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqIpAha6MWU Marvellous! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dangermaus Posted October 6, 2012 Share Posted October 6, 2012 Another reason I will continue to not pay my TV license Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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