Staffsknot Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 48 minutes ago, jonb2 said: Oh, and another thing supporting the war going on until the US election. If Trump wins, Netanyahu will give him the opportunity to 'stop the war and make peace' - which only Trump's idiot bovine supporters would believe. Great for Trump's ego and his place in history. The jigsaw is complete. Unfortunately all the QAnon nutters believe Trump is going to institue a 'Night of Long Knives' on Jews because that's their fantasy. Trumpet won't win because all the demographic you listed won't vote for Trump instead Republicans causing shit for election sake are getting called out by world leaders on TV like by Tusk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonb2 Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 (edited) 1 hour ago, Staffsknot said: Unfortunately all the QAnon nutters believe Trump is going to institue a 'Night of Long Knives' on Jews because that's their fantasy. Trumpet won't win because all the demographic you listed won't vote for Trump instead Republicans causing shit for election sake are getting called out by world leaders on TV like by Tusk I wouldn't be so sure SK. Trump's lead is 5 points over Biden. Doesn't matter if people vote for other candidates, Biden needs those missing votes. Also, the betting odds put Trump in the lead. Edited February 8 by jonb2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonb2 Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 1 hour ago, Staffsknot said: Unfortunately all the QAnon nutters believe Trump is going to institue a 'Night of Long Knives' on Jews because that's their fantasy. Trumpet won't win because all the demographic you listed won't vote for Trump instead Republicans causing shit for election sake are getting called out by world leaders on TV like by Tusk Sorry, forgot the links 🙂 NBC Poll: Trump increases lead over Biden, now up by 5 points https://www.nbcnews.com/nightly-news/video/nbc-poll-trump-increases-lead-over-biden-now-up-by-5-points-203589701770 New poll has Trump with a 5-point lead over Biden | The National Desk https://thenationaldesk.com/news/politics/new-poll-show-trump-with-5-point-lead-over-biden-nbc-news-reelection-campaign-2024-voters-approval-economy-foreign-policy-border-abortion Trump leading Biden in five swing states: Poll https://www.axios.com/2023/11/05/trump-leads-biden-poll-nyt Trump leads Biden with independent voters by 11 points: Poll | The Hill https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4416654-trump-leads-biden-with-independent-voters-by-11-points-poll/ Yes, Trump can win the 2024 election. Here are four reasons why | Reuters https://www.reuters.com/world/us/yes-trump-can-win-2024-election-here-are-four-reasons-why-2023-12-12/ Davos: U.S. executives see a Trump victory in 2024 https://www.cnbc.com/2024/01/18/davos-us-executives-see-a-trump-victory-in-2024.html US Presidential Election 2024 Winner Betting Odds | Politics | Oddschecker https://www.oddschecker.com/politics/us-politics/us-presidential-election-2024/winner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staffsknot Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 30 minutes ago, jonb2 said: Sorry, forgot the links 🙂 NBC Poll: Trump increases lead over Biden, now up by 5 points https://www.nbcnews.com/nightly-news/video/nbc-poll-trump-increases-lead-over-biden-now-up-by-5-points-203589701770 New poll has Trump with a 5-point lead over Biden | The National Desk https://thenationaldesk.com/news/politics/new-poll-show-trump-with-5-point-lead-over-biden-nbc-news-reelection-campaign-2024-voters-approval-economy-foreign-policy-border-abortion Trump leading Biden in five swing states: Poll https://www.axios.com/2023/11/05/trump-leads-biden-poll-nyt Trump leads Biden with independent voters by 11 points: Poll | The Hill https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4416654-trump-leads-biden-with-independent-voters-by-11-points-poll/ Yes, Trump can win the 2024 election. Here are four reasons why | Reuters https://www.reuters.com/world/us/yes-trump-can-win-2024-election-here-are-four-reasons-why-2023-12-12/ Davos: U.S. executives see a Trump victory in 2024 https://www.cnbc.com/2024/01/18/davos-us-executives-see-a-trump-victory-in-2024.html US Presidential Election 2024 Winner Betting Odds | Politics | Oddschecker https://www.oddschecker.com/politics/us-politics/us-presidential-election-2024/winner Oh I don't doubt you but call it faith in humanity and that Trumpet ends up in jail. That and someone who would vote for Biden won't vote for Trump, but soe never Trumpers and not insane Republicans might go the other way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pig Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 19 hours ago, jonb2 said: I am reminded of this quote: “Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.” – George Santayana, The Life of Reason, 1905 I was listening to the radio this morning. they had the journalist John Sweeney on. He was talking from a convention in Amsterdam full of dissident Russian journalists. He's written a bestseller on Putin: Killer in the Kremlin: The instant bestseller - a gripping and explosive account of Vladimir Putin's tyranny eBook : Sweeney, John: Amazon.co.uk: Books https://www.amazon.co.uk/Killer-Kremlin-bestseller-gripping-explosive-ebook/dp/B09XGXJKJF He's been on Vlad's case for 22 years. He says Putin is trying to coordinate the rise of the far right all over the west - which we know - but what I didn't know was even Tommy Robinson has been one of his many Fascist Fan Club guests in the Kremlin. He said we do not realise it's extremely well-organised and powered only by vengeance. Tommy Robinson, the Far-Right Agitator, Lifted by Trump, Turns to Russia - The New York Times https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/23/world/europe/uk-far-right-tommy-robinson-russia.html ‘Rape of Britain’: Russia Rolls Out the Red Carpet for 'Tommy Robinson' – Byline Times https://bylinetimes.com/2020/02/23/rape-of-britain-russia-rolls-out-red-carpet-for-tommy-robinson/ Sweeney pointed out nobody is taking this seriously enough. On top of this, we are seeing unfettered use of deep-fakes and other AI propaganda. He suspects the Tucker Carlson relaunch and visit to Moscow is financed by Elon Musk, as Musk has reinstated his worshipfulness and made a big push for him being on the platform. I find it hilarious some here think Tucker is a good bloke - when he was quoted as saying he can't stand Trump. Addressing Trump’s four years as president, Carlson said: “We’re all pretending we’ve got a lot to show for it, because admitting what a disaster it’s been is too tough to digest. But come on. There really isn’t an upside to Trump.” Later, Carlson writes of Trump: “He’s a demonic force, a destroyer. But he’s not going to destroy us. I’ve been thinking about this every day for four years.” "I hate him passionately" Yet, we have our 'left my brain on the bus' contingent here celebrating Tucker's dick sucking of Putin. Tucker had better not reveal what he really thinks of Putin. Once dreadful people like Tucker Carlson are lauded for their edgy heroism, we know the whole human race is going right <sic!> down the pan. Tucker was quoted as saying he supported neither Red or Blue parties - but was only interested in the green (dollars). Says it all. Suddenly there seems a lot wrong with the world compared to a few years ago, and things weren't exactly rosy then. So Tommy Robinson gone to lick the Kremlin jackboots ? Thats a useful but unwelcome nugget of info! One of those media figures that like Farage and Aaron Banks you sense always felt a bit 'wrong', but thats depressing confirmation. Slight aside but you could see the proto-Fascist International idea crystallised in the rather peculiar figure of Steve Bannon. Some years back I remember reading he was 'plotting' this for Europe - it ended up being called The Movement but it kind of fell apart - ironically it seems because of 'nationalist' intolerance to an American meddling in their affairs. Nevertheless he was trying to join the dots that seem obvious today: https://www.politico.eu/article/steve-bannon-european-parliament-the-movement-stuttering-european-adventure/ https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN25T1OE/ With Putin it looks to me that the (proto?) 'fascism' is instrumental: a tool, a weapon of power to be deployed on countries including his own). Whereas with Bannon it seems more a belief, justifying all the ends-justifies-the-bizarre-means. Various articles on that 'belief' but its roughly a reactionary Judeao-Christian route into Fascism - a familiar destruction of the 'little man' in defence of the 'little man' kind of thing. Bit of a long read but its a great 'Apocalypse Now' tour of this character that is kind of both a nexus and exemplification the sickness trying to spread: https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2022/07/steve-bannon-war-room-democracy-threat/638443/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pig Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 19 hours ago, jonb2 said: Sorry Pig. went off on a bit a tangent based on the first part of your post. It's clear Netanyahu sees the hostages as a bit of an irritant, bothersome. He'd far rather concentrate on making Gaza non-viable for life. Unencumbered. American politics is a total mess, like here. The odds are in Trump's favour to win right now. Biden has lost the youth vote and the Muslim vote. The Muslim vote effects 5 swing states, as I've said before. A very real scenario. Trump gets in. Ukraine loses financial support and Trump's mate Putin is emboldened. War in Europe is then highly probable. Trump supports Netanyahu, and the war goes on, further destabilising the region. War is more likely. Not sure whether China makes its move on Taiwan at that moment, blanketed by the chaos - key defenders distracted and having their resources in the wrong place to counter the attack. Most of the survivors (if there are any) will look back and curse the stupidity, avarice and power w_anking by a few criminal leaders who should have been imprisoned or shot years ago. Well things are kind of grimmer in that the fight for Ukraines funding is happening as we speak and might be resolved before the next election - for better or worse ! Ditto for for Netanyahu's future. Clearly he is 'clinging on', which seems to mean stretching out the destruction in Gaza for as long for as possible while trying to use it to rehabilitate his political power. https://forward.com/news/575223/benjamin-netanyahu-israel-election-hamas-war/ If there is any consolation things do look so grim that they don't look sustainable as they are for long enough to get to November. Are you a glass half full or glass half empty person ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zugzwang Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 6 hours ago, Staffsknot said: No it would be considered a breach of the Convention on Genocide, not Genocide you complete imbecile. There would have to be a genocide being committed by the state in the first place which you would have to prove was occuring, which would kind of trump the idea that failure to prosecute a genocide given you'd be proving the state was the genocide origin. Also here is article 2 https://ihl-databases.icrc.org/en/ihl-treaties/genocide-conv-1948/article-2?activeTab=undefined Show me where failure to prosecute or prevent is defined as genocide? I've just presented you with the ICJ's interim judgement above, imbecile. 'Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide.' 👇 (1) The State of Israel shall, in accordance with its obligations under the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide, in relation to Palestinians in Gaza, take all measures within its power to prevent the commission of all acts within the scope of Article II of this Convention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zugzwang Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 6 hours ago, Staffsknot said: No its exactly as I described and you don't actually care about a single entry in there, they are just your useful cut and paste attempt to shutdown an arguement when you run out of websites to copy and paste something from that sounds better than demented ramblings about Industrial socialism and how many cars you can sell to Russia while they bomb Ukraine. I mean really youshould be cheering all that Chinese investment in Israel about now... How many more times do I have to spoon-feed you with the evidence? All signatories to the Genocide Convention have a legal responsibility to prevent the crime of genocide being committed. This is pretty much the entire basis of the South African case against Netanyahu's butchers. Which you'd know if you'd read the transcripts of the trial! The only one rambling dementedly (and off topic) here is you, 77th Brigade. While making a succession of excuses time for the mass murder of Palestinian civilians. Always knew you were a wrong 'un. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucky Larry Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 45 minutes ago, zugzwang said: Always knew you were a wrong 'un. He demanded everyone ignore me , demanded they blocked me ,told them all not to engage me in discussion, smeared me as a liar and demanded the mods kicked me out (sound familiar) . He's a sensitive snowflake when pressured and just like his chums in the military can't fight his own battles and needs to recruit the gullible to help him. If he is a part of the 77th Brigade to conduct psychological operations then they're scraping the recruitment barrel with him, he's just not very good at it. He's spent the past few years waffling on an obscure sub forum on House Prices trying to impress half a dozen fruitloops . He aint cutting the Colonel Mustard with the boys in Berkshire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staffsknot Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 1 hour ago, zugzwang said: I've just presented you with the ICJ's interim judgement above, imbecile. 'Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide.' 👇 (1) The State of Israel shall, in accordance with its obligations under the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide, in relation to Palestinians in Gaza, take all measures within its power to prevent the commission of all acts within the scope of Article II of this Convention That is an obligation you moron not saying that failure of prevention and punishment means you commited genocide as you claimed. That comes from Article 1, an obligation on all parties to the convention to take such measures. It is the the very obligation SA cited as why they felt obligated to bring the case to the ICJ. Again you prove you cannot understand IHL and once again blow yourself up with your own stupidity. Article II defines what genocide is, Article III defines punishable crimes under the statute. For your reference: https://ihl-databases.icrc.org/en/ihl-treaties/genocide-conv-1948/article-1?activeTab=undefined Try reading up next time before you make a fool of yourself in public Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staffsknot Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 1 hour ago, zugzwang said: How many more times do I have to spoon-feed you with the evidence? All signatories to the Genocide Convention have a legal responsibility to prevent the crime of genocide being committed. This is pretty much the entire basis of the South African case against Netanyahu's butchers. Which you'd know if you'd read the transcripts of the trial! The only one rambling dementedly (and off topic) here is you, 77th Brigade. While making a succession of excuses time for the mass murder of Palestinian civilians. Always knew you were a wrong 'un. I've just handed you article 1 from the legislation - it is an obligation - failure to punish does not make you guilty of genocide you utter wally. You aren't spoon feeding you are shovelling shit as usual and making an utter fool of yourself. The crimes listed under the protocol are listed in Article III, definition of genocide Article II, failure of Article I is a failure of enforcement and not stating that those failing to prevent or prosecute are therefore guilty of genocide. What level of stupidity are you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucky Larry Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 Nicaragua join in , the World is sick of the mass murdering evil that presents itself as spreading peace and democracy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucky Larry Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 As usual the apologists for evil try hiding behind doublespeak , What makes them guilty of genocide is the mass murder of civilians , the verbal utterances of their military and political leaders to do just that ( remember Amalek)and the deliberate cutting off of life saving essentials and bombing of hospitals. The ICJ has reviewed the evidence and found the case for genocide plausible , has listened to the defence and dismissed it overwhelmingly . The opinion of the individual below is worthless he just discredits himself by trying to defend the indefensible again. All that he has left is cheap ad hominem slurs , the true mark of a desperate man. 50 minutes ago, Staffsknot said: I've just handed you article 1 from the legislation - it is an obligation - failure to punish does not make you guilty of genocide you utter wally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucky Larry Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 Cutting off funding to the World's most desperate people based on an allegation with zero evidence that his since been found to be untrue while ignoring a ruling by the ICJ and continuing to send bombs to a regime that is plausibly engaged in genocide is one of the most shameful acts in history. Shame on those who cower before Israel and its Western puppets Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zugzwang Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 45 minutes ago, Lucky Larry said: He demanded everyone ignore me , demanded they blocked me ,told them all not to engage me in discussion, smeared me as a liar and demanded the mods kicked me out (sound familiar) . He's a sensitive snowflake when pressured and just like his chums in the military can't fight his own battles and needs to recruit the gullible to help him. If he is a part of the 77th Brigade to conduct psychological operations then they're scraping the recruitment barrel with him, he's just not very good at it. He's spent the past few years waffling on an obscure sub forum on House Prices trying to impress half a dozen fruitloops . He aint cutting the Colonel Mustard with the boys in Berkshire. Sure, sure. I can absolutely corroborate! The endless smears and ad homs, the constant appeals to authority (the mods and other posters) to back up his guff and/or censor other posters, and then the threadsliding and histrionics whenever he's confronted with the truth. Also, his complete lack of interest in house prices and rents on a forum dedicated to the discussion of house prices and rents! Very suspicious. The actions of a troll at the very least. On the evidence of their utter failure to enforce the govt's message re. Covid the 77th Brigade's psy ops are about as much use as tits on a nun. The lightning fast endorsement of Caroline Dinenage's unlawful cancellation of Russell Brand also piqued my curiosity. Dinenage's husband is former Tory MP Mark Lancaster (now Baron Lancaster!) who in addition to being a thundering dunce was once second in command of said spook outfit. He also helped murder, maim and rape lots of brown-skinned people in Afghanistan for Tony Blair and the American Empire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zugzwang Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 (edited) 2 hours ago, Staffsknot said: I've just handed you article 1 from the legislation - it is an obligation - failure to punish does not make you guilty of genocide you utter wally. You aren't spoon feeding you are shovelling shit as usual and making an utter fool of yourself. The crimes listed under the protocol are listed in Article III, definition of genocide Article II, failure of Article I is a failure of enforcement and not stating that those failing to prevent or prosecute are therefore guilty of genocide. What level of stupidity are you? And I just handed you the interim judgement of the Court! Is this the third or the fourth time I've had to do it? The ICJ's provisional judgement explicitly cites the State of Israel's failure to prevent genocide under its legal obligations to the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide* and orders the State of Israel to take immediate measures to prevent acts of genocide in the Gaza strip, and to report to the court regarding these matters within one month. Furthermore, the Court has ordered the State of Israel to prevent and punish those responsible for inciting genocide, and to allow humanitarian aid and assistance to Palestinians in Gaza without let or hindrance. *Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide (adopted 9 December 1948, entered into force 12 January 1951). Edited February 8 by zugzwang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucky Larry Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 Another one to add to the mounting evidence in the collection This time taking out an ambulance in Gaza with a drone in a busy street Killing the people who save lives results in many many more lives not being saved Cruel and calculated barbarity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zugzwang Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 17 minutes ago, Lucky Larry said: Another one to add to the mounting evidence in the collection This time taking out an ambulance in Gaza with a drone in a busy street Killing the people who save lives results in many many more lives not being saved Cruel and calculated barbarity. Its appalling. The ICJ needs to condemn Western govts for their complicity now. The Palestinians can't wait another fortnight for justice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MerchantNavy Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 On 2/7/2024 at 10:28 AM, anonguest said: Translation: "My mind is made up please don't confuse me with facts or ask me to handle critical thinking of complex matters." Genocide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donadoni Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 53 minutes ago, MerchantNavy said: Genocide. @anonguest will change his mind in 10 years like the Iraq war supporters did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucky Larry Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 Shooting a nurse in an operating theatre , words are beginning to fail me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staffsknot Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 (edited) 11 hours ago, zugzwang said: And I just handed you the interim judgement of the Court! Is this the third or the fourth time I've had to do it? The ICJ's provisional judgement explicitly cites the State of Israel's failure to prevent genocide under its legal obligations to the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide* and orders the State of Israel to take immediate measures to prevent acts of genocide in the Gaza strip, and to report to the court regarding these matters within one month. Furthermore, the Court has ordered the State of Israel to prevent and punish those responsible for inciting genocide, and to allow humanitarian aid and assistance to Palestinians in Gaza without let or hindrance. *Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide (adopted 9 December 1948, entered into force 12 January 1951). Allow me to eduate you for the umpteenth time. Failure to prevent or prosecute under an obligation as per Article I of the Genocide Convention does not make you guilty of genocide. Only an act enumerated under Article II and III represent genocide and crimes under statute as genocide. Breaching any other Article under the Genocide. Convention but II and III is not genocide but a breach of the convention, which is a breach of international law, it will never however make you guilty of genocide, as you have repeatedly erroneously claimed The recourse of courts to breaching such articles would be to order compliance, reparation or view that a state was insufficiently capable of prosecuting and demand international trial instead of by states authority of any individuals found to have participated in genocide but not find the state guilty of genocide. As I have explained to you for the umpteenth time - crimes of genocide are listed in Article III, what constitutes genocide is ( and intent has to be proven despite your previous babblings to the contrary) defined in Article II. Try reading IHL and understanding it rather than talking utter rubbish and wasting everyone's time Edited February 9 by Staffsknot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staffsknot Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 11 hours ago, zugzwang said: Sure, sure. I can absolutely corroborate! The endless smears and ad homs, the constant appeals to authority (the mods and other posters) to back up his guff and/or censor other posters, and then the threadsliding and histrionics whenever he's confronted with the truth. Also, his complete lack of interest in house prices and rents on a forum dedicated to the discussion of house prices and rents! Very suspicious. The actions of a troll at the very least. On the evidence of their utter failure to enforce the govt's message re. Covid the 77th Brigade's psy ops are about as much use as tits on a nun. The lightning fast endorsement of Caroline Dinenage's unlawful cancellation of Russell Brand also piqued my curiosity. Dinenage's husband is former Tory MP Mark Lancaster (now Baron Lancaster!) who in addition to being a thundering dunce was once second in command of said spook outfit. He also helped murder, maim and rape lots of brown-skinned people in Afghanistan for Tony Blair and the American Empire. It was becuse LL was a thread derailing muppet who posted absolute nonsense in the Ukraine thread and shouted war criminal and Ireland at me like a tool in a desperate attempt to shutdown convos and bait people, much like you do. He apparently has come back like flies to this thread... everyone assumed he'd been banned with the other wallies He is as irrelevant as you and its so funny watching you desperately try and claim the state is watching you - cosplaying your China fantasy there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anonguest Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 45 minutes ago, Lucky Larry said: Shooting a nurse in an operating theatre , words are beginning to fail me That's hardly surprising since your brain evidently failed you long ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anonguest Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 8 hours ago, donadoni said: @anonguest will change his mind in 10 years like the Iraq war supporters did. At least I have a functioning mind and can assess/analyse facts. Shame the same can't be said for you! And, for the record, I never supported the second war against Iraq. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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