Climate Change,

[Si1]

On 14/04/2022 at 14:20, PeanutButter said:

 

Nice middle class girl shouts loudly about climate change (with some justification) whilst daddy waits outside the studio to pick her up in his nice car. Most kids her age don't have the financial means to take the time to do this, they have to think about qualification and future jobs.

And no climate change is not like a 9km wide asteroid heading to earth. The IPCC report does not and has never stated this.

Edited April 16, 2022 by Si1

[PeanutButter]

5 hours ago, Si1 said:

Nice middle class girl shouts loudly about climate change (with some justification) whilst daddy waits outside the studio to pick her up in his nice car. Most kids her age don't have the financial means to take the time to do this, they have to think about qualification and future jobs.

And no climate change is not like a 9km wide asteroid heading to earth. The IPCC report does not and has never stated this.

I mean, I watched the film. It’s quite clearly satire. 

Quickly though, what specific demographic is allowed to talk on TV about about climate change? Poor people? Working class? Men only? Left-handed toffs? 

Just good to know who is allowed so I can only listen to them  

[Si1]

29 minutes ago, PeanutButter said:

I mean, I watched the film. It’s quite clearly satire. 

Quickly though, what specific demographic is allowed to talk on TV about about climate change? Poor people? Working class? Men only? Left-handed toffs? 

Just good to know who is allowed so I can only listen to them  

Any you like really.

I suppose the trick is to find someone that people will take very seriously. I don't know who that would be though.

Edited April 16, 2022 by Si1

[Staffsknot]

1 hour ago, Si1 said:

Any you like really.

I suppose the trick is to find someone that people will take very seriously. I don't know who that would be though.

David Attenborough tried and now The Sun says he's made a T-Rex 'woke' and other ******.

I mean its almost like pick a person to watch them be shredded by arsehole commentators...

BTW Madeley himself is the son of a middle class journalist, is a millionnaire and BP shareholder. 

People accept his right to comment despite him telling a letter writer to his paper worried about neighbour being victim of domestic violence - "if they were going to kill each other they'd have done it by now". He was condemned by just about every domestic abuse charity for being utterly callous and unqualified to make those stupid remarks. Still we have to listen to him as he's on the telly and famous.

Lowri Turner is a fashion journalist who is a TV talking head and self declared nutritionist, she's climate change denier but we have to listen to her because she's rich and she knows people in TV so gets on TV gigs.

Miranda Whelehan is a 20 year old student and campaigner but we shouldn't listen to her because she's not rich... or Richard Madeley or got TV connections. She hasn't got the environmental experience of a bloke off the radio or an ex-fashion journo who now flogs diet pills. I mean she hasn't even been invited to talk about Dr Who on a TV talking heads love in...

Not having a go at you @Si1 its just always the same. 

Greta Thunberg - too woke whatdoes she know

Attenborough - too woke what does he know about the natural world

Professor Brian Cox - too woke err what does he know that Kev down pub doesn't

Climatologist - they are all wokeys and lefties and err their job depends on it...

its the same shit dismissal of anyone you put up.

Like poverty campaigners - are you poor? No - champagne socialist. Yes - politics of envy.

[Casual-observer]

Let's cut to the chase...

Extinction Rebellion isn't an organic protest group of concerned citizens...it's a state backed group masquerading as a protest group to push behaviour change on the public. 

It's so farcically obvious when like clockwork their timed spot in the media hits precisely when the school holidays begin, without fail. 

 I know those state sector employees protestors like to think they're terribly intelligent than the rest of us oinks but its become pretty obvious by now.

I can't wait for the looming regular carnival they have in Oxford street where they get their personal escort from the police to tow in that pink boat and then pretend they caught everyone unawares. Even the met aren't incompetent enough to claim to be caught out at exactly the sametime for five years running. 

No ones going to buy into the climate catastrophe nonsense being pushed when such obvious and artificial protest groups are having to be passed off as organic people whom lie awake at night banging on about the weather. 

This is simply rich westerners wanting to control the energy market...nothing more and nothing less. 

When the sun goes supernova people....no ones going to be around to give two f**ks about how much your carbon footprint ever was.

Climate change is a middle class fetish. 

 

 

 

Edited April 16, 2022 by Casual-observer

[Staffsknot]

5 minutes ago, Casual-observer said:

Let's cut to the chase...

Extinction Rebellion isn't an organic protest group of concerned citizens...it's a state backed group masquerading as a protest group to push behaviour change on the public. 

It's so farcically obvious when like clockwork their timed spot in the media hits precisely when the school holidays begin, without fail. 

 I know those state sector employees protestors like to think they're terribly intelligent than the rest of us oinks but its become pretty obvious by now.

I can't wait for the looming regular carnival they have in Oxford street where they get their personal escort from the police to tow in that pink boat and then pretend they caught everyone unawares. Even the met aren't incompetent enough to claim to be caught out at exactly the sametime for five years running. 

No ones going to buy into the climate catastrophe nonsense being pushed when such obvious and artificial protest groups are having to be passed off as organic people whom lie await at night banging on about the weather. 

This is simply rich westerners wanting to control the energy market...nothing more and nothing less. 

When the sun goes supernova people....no ones going to be around to give two f**ks about how much your carbon footprint ever was.

Climate change is a middle class fetish. 

 

 

 

So going for 2 from 2 in the talking rubbish stakes.

NATO is the aggressor in Ukraine in a conspiracy against Russia and XR are state sponsored plants against the working class... right...

Have you been watching Who Dares Wins from the 80s where Lewis Collins takes on the militant wing of CND and thought it was the news

Edited April 16, 2022 by Staffsknot

[Casual-observer]

4 minutes ago, Staffsknot said:

So going for 2 from 2 in the talking rubbish stakes.

NATO is the aggressor in Ukraine in a conspiracy against Russia and XR are state sponsored plants against the working class... right...

Have you been watching Who Dares Wins from the 80s where Lewis Collins takes on the militant wing of CND and thought it was the news

Unfortunately staff those working class people have a nose for artificial bullsh1t. 

If XR were a truly organic protest group then why do they get paid to protest during the school holidays? 

I know they do because trust me...many of them have got a big mouth. 

[PeanutButter]

16 hours ago, Si1 said:

Any you like really.

I suppose the trick is to find someone that people will take very seriously. I don't know who that would be though.

We voted in Boris Johnson. 

[Si1]

18 hours ago, Staffsknot said:

David Attenborough tried and now The Sun says he's made a T-Rex 'woke' and other ******.

I mean its almost like pick a person to watch them be shredded by arsehole commentators...

BTW Madeley himself is the son of a middle class journalist, is a millionnaire and BP shareholder. 

People accept his right to comment despite him telling a letter writer to his paper worried about neighbour being victim of domestic violence - "if they were going to kill each other they'd have done it by now". He was condemned by just about every domestic abuse charity for being utterly callous and unqualified to make those stupid remarks. Still we have to listen to him as he's on the telly and famous.

Lowri Turner is a fashion journalist who is a TV talking head and self declared nutritionist, she's climate change denier but we have to listen to her because she's rich and she knows people in TV so gets on TV gigs.

Miranda Whelehan is a 20 year old student and campaigner but we shouldn't listen to her because she's not rich... or Richard Madeley or got TV connections. She hasn't got the environmental experience of a bloke off the radio or an ex-fashion journo who now flogs diet pills. I mean she hasn't even been invited to talk about Dr Who on a TV talking heads love in...

Not having a go at you @Si1 its just always the same. 

Greta Thunberg - too woke whatdoes she know

Attenborough - too woke what does he know about the natural world

Professor Brian Cox - too woke err what does he know that Kev down pub doesn't

Climatologist - they are all wokeys and lefties and err their job depends on it...

its the same shit dismissal of anyone you put up.

Like poverty campaigners - are you poor? No - champagne socialist. Yes - politics of envy.

I think the ones who've impressed me the most have been:

Ambrose Evans Pritchard, business editor of the telegraph, just saying if we tackle climate change we'll be much richer for it, so many positive geopolitical implications.

The editorial of the Economist magazine. Says whilst we'd cope with the central socioeconomic implications of more severe scenarios (which we're heading for), the (finite and large) tail risks are alarming. Wars, refugee flows. Regional and national breakdown of law and order.

And Elon Musk, again seeing it as a simple inequality of economics. Mitigating it is cheaper than letting it run etc etc

 

It's interesting that the business and economics community is now increasingly embracing the climate change issue. Carries more weight than the science community as seen as a bit closer to everyday life.

Edited April 17, 2022 by Si1

[Si1]

I think the last thing someone should say is 'it's easy/obvious'

 

That's the problem, dealing with it isn't easy and requires hard sacrifices but minimising those from the perspective of an ivory tower or well off teenager's bedroom will turn most people off.

[Confusion of VIs]

17 minutes ago, Si1 said:

I think the last thing someone should say is 'it's easy/obvious'

 

That's the problem, dealing with it isn't easy and requires hard sacrifices but minimising those from the perspective of an ivory tower or well off teenager's bedroom will turn most people off.

The hard sacrifices are coming courtesy of our continuing delay in moving away from fossil fuels. Just wait until next winter when the energy price rises really kick in.  

Cameron's cutting "the green crap" is coming back to bite us hard. 

 

[Staffsknot]

38 minutes ago, Si1 said:

I think the ones who've impressed me the most have been:

Ambrose Evans Pritchard, business editor of the telegraph, just saying if we tackle climate change we'll be much richer for it, so many positive geopolitical implications.

The editorial of the Economist magazine. Says whilst we'd cope with the central socioeconomic implications of more severe scenarios (which we're heading for), the (finite and large) tail risks are alarming. Wars, refugee flows. Regional and national breakdown of law and order.

And Elon Musk, again seeing it as a simple inequality of economics. Mitigating it is cheaper than letting it run etc etc

 

It's interesting that the business and economics community is now increasingly embracing the climate change issue. Carries more weight than the science community as seen as a bit closer to everyday life.

Quoting an economist at a working class person is going to have even less impact than a scientist. Remember that's the Davos people as far as most are concerned and all bankers if you asked the average man on the street.

Remember an economist at the Bank of England just told them not to ask for pay rises but accept rising prices without a shred of self awareness.

Same as Economist & Telegraph aren't known for their working class cut through.

Musk might cut through but then he's a billionaire weirdo with a vested interest so likely to alienate even more and easier to dismiss.

[Si1]

4 minutes ago, Confusion of VIs said:

The hard sacrifices are coming courtesy of our continuing delay in moving away from fossil fuels. Just wait until next winter when the energy price rises really kick in.  

Cameron's cutting "the green crap" is coming back to bite us hard. 

 

Agreed. Short termism prevailed....

(Same as in the housing market - Cameron embraced short term housing boom for political expediency with profound negative long term consequences)

Edited April 17, 2022 by Si1

[Si1]

4 minutes ago, Staffsknot said:

Quoting an economist at a working class person is going to have even less impact than a scientist. Remember that's the Davos people as far as most are concerned and all bankers if you asked the average man on the street.

Remember an economist at the Bank of England just told them not to ask for pay rises but accept rising prices without a shred of self awareness.

Same as Economist & Telegraph aren't known for their working class cut through.

Musk might cut through but then he's a billionaire weirdo with a vested interest so likely to alienate even more and easier to dismiss.

Indeed.

[Confusion of VIs]

2 minutes ago, Staffsknot said:

Quoting an economist at a working class person is going to have even less impact than a scientist. Remember that's the Davos people as far as most are concerned and all bankers if you asked the average man on the street.

Remember an economist at the Bank of England just told them not to ask for pay rises but accept rising prices without a shred of self awareness.

Same as Economist & Telegraph aren't known for their working class cut through.

Musk might cut through but then he's a billionaire weirdo with a vested interest so likely to alienate even more and easier to dismiss.

A £4,000 energy bill will cut through with the working classes. The risk is that many will be conned into believing that it's windmills that have put up their bills.  

 

[Si1]

On 07/04/2022 at 08:01, sexton said:

Oops!

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2022/04/06/how-climatologists-forgot-the-sun-was-shining-your-questions-answered/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=how-climatologists-forgot-the-sun-was-shining-your-questions-answered

It will be worth considering once made it into a peer reviewed journal.which it hasn't. I'd surmise for good reason.

[Staffsknot]

6 minutes ago, Si1 said:

Indeed.

Not wanting to sound too cynical but I think the only way you'd get some folks to pay attention is if it was Celebrity Climate Change where various celebs attempt to solve the climate crisis and an after show hosted by Rylan or Bradley Walsh

[Si1]

Just now, Staffsknot said:

Not wanting to sound too cynical but I think the only way you'd get some folks to pay attention is if it was Celebrity Climate Change where various celebs attempt to solve the climate crisis and an after show hosted by Rylan or Bradley Walsh

And that wouldn't work because the following week they'd be on the cover of Now magazine showing off their second home and new Range Rover.

[Si1]

I've noticed an interesting and depressing news nugget today - the UK public appear to be going off the idea of sanctions in Russia because it's cost them money..people always talk a good game but then live hand to mouth financially, even on good incomes, getting the biggest mortgage they can and PCP car etc, so they're skint and only interested in their bottom line. Screw the wider issues of climate change and aggressive fascism. 

[kzb]

On 16/04/2022 at 13:47, Si1 said:

https://financialpost.com/opinion/opinion-ipcc-global-warming-report-is-more-chill-than-you-have-read

Because of economic development, the UN estimates that the average person in the world will become 450 per cent as well-off by 2100 as they are today. But climate change will have a cost, in that adaptation and challenges become somewhat harder. Because of climate change, the average person in 2100 will “only” be 436 per cent as well off as today.

This is not the apocalypse but a problem to which we should find smart fixes.

Yes, but XR on TV are there telling the kids that billions will die.  When even the IPCC has discounted the more extreme scenarios, which depend on the whole world being 100% powered by coal.

What is going to happen is the sea level will go up a few inches.  Which it was doing anyway, without any help from us.

[Casual-observer]

1 hour ago, Si1 said:

I've noticed an interesting and depressing news nugget today - the UK public appear to be going off the idea of sanctions in Russia because it's cost them money..people always talk a good game but then live hand to mouth financially, even on good incomes, getting the biggest mortgage they can and PCP car etc, so they're skint and only interested in their bottom line. Screw the wider issues of climate change and aggressive fascism. 

Well yes, seeing as the sanctions were sold by our incompetent state as guaranteeing it'll hail in regime change in Russia and collapse their economy

None of which has happened.

It's simply failed and now the working class are having to eat the repercussions of a failed tactic our 'leaders' are too arrogant to admit publicly. 

It'll be forced on them eventually by the same angry public 

Edited April 17, 2022 by Casual-observer

[kzb]

3 hours ago, Confusion of VIs said:

The hard sacrifices are coming courtesy of our continuing delay in moving away from fossil fuels. Just wait until next winter when the energy price rises really kick in.  

Cameron's cutting "the green crap" is coming back to bite us hard. 

 

What do you mean "our" continuing delay?  The UK has made just about the most rapid progress of any major country.

Like I keep saying, removing fossil fuel use is a truly massive undertaking.  It can't be done this week or this decade.

That barely visible  sliver of blue on the top of the plot (put your specs on to see it) is the extent of progress.  Less than 4% of total energy.

 

 

[Si1]

14 minutes ago, kzb said:

Yes, but XR on TV are there telling the kids that billions will die.  When even the IPCC has discounted the more extreme scenarios, which depend on the whole world being 100% powered by coal.

What is going to happen is the sea level will go up a few inches.  Which it was doing anyway, without any help from us.

Inches - maybe 60 or so. Over a century I anticipate it will be accommodated socially and economically, but it would force people to move from many low lying areas and even island based nations, it would be a personal catastrophe for them. Of course there has been forced and economic migration throughout human history.

As to whether the future agricultural system can support the full global population, we'll see won't we. Food could be lots more expensive of course instead, which given how far many in the west are implies there's slack in the system anyway.

[Si1]

11 minutes ago, Casual-observer said:

Well yes, seeing as the sanctions were sold by our incompetent state as guaranteeing it'll hail in regime change in Russia and collapse their economy

None of which has happened.

It's simply failed and now the working class are having to eat the repercussions of a failed tactic our 'leaders' are too arrogant to admit publicly. 

It'll be forced on them eventually by the same angry public 

Nonsense. Sanctions are sold to bleed the Russian war machine.

[Casual-observer]

4 minutes ago, Si1 said:

Nonsense. Sanctions are sold to bleed the Russian war machine.

Which is when seeing as the British msm claimed the Russians would be out of ammo in three days which was well over a month ago?

The sanctions have gaping holes, they're not making jack sh1t difference