spyguy Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 Working from home. World service on. There's another famine. In Africa. Again. South Sudan http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-39025927 Heres the birthrate per 1000: https://www.cia.gov/library/Publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2054rank.html Can anyone see the correlation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snagger Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 9 minutes ago, spyguy said: Working from home. World service on. There's another famine. In Africa. Again. South Sudan http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-39025927 Heres the birthrate per 1000: https://www.cia.gov/library/Publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2054rank.html Can anyone see the correlation? they eat babies? obviously a Clinton Foundation sponsored program. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Masked Tulip Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 Famines are soooooooooooooooo yesterday. Too far and to dangerous for your celeb do-gooder to go visit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Orange Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 With Ireland and India they supposedly knew how to contend with the problem of "Useless Eaters", in the alleged Good One Days. EDIT - We need to focus more on stable and reasonably content populations, not endlessly growing and very unhappy ones (which leads to disease, overcrowding, war and worse famine down the road). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiveinHope Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 2 hours ago, spyguy said: Working from home. World service on. There's another famine. In Africa. Again. South Sudan http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-39025927 Heres the birthrate per 1000: https://www.cia.gov/library/Publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2054rank.html Can anyone see the correlation? Birth rate and famine are inextricabley linked. There us a high birth rate because there is an high juvenile death rate because famine and disease is anticipated as a way of life, the former due largely, to climatic variability. Young lives are expendable under that regime, you only need replacement long-term. If survival increases the birth rate will soon fall as few people will want a load of stroppy adolescents under their feet to support. Fix the cause, not the problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Errol Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 I would given them substantial assistance if they agree to a massive national scheme of sterilisation (just randomly sterilise 30-40%). Otherwise, it's just pissing in the wind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiveinHope Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 Just now, Errol said: I would given them substantial assistance if they agree to a massive national scheme of sterilisation (just randomly sterilise 30-40%). Otherwise, it's just pissing in the wind. Strewth. I'd sooner see random deaths due to famine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Errol Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 1 minute ago, LiveinHope said: Strewth. I'd sooner see random deaths due to famine. If that's their choice, that's their choice. But I wouldn't life a finger to help them then. They have to help themselves first. Just like any other species, control of numbers (breeding) is essential. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiveinHope Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 8 minutes ago, Errol said: If that's their choice, that's their choice. But I wouldn't life a finger to help them then. They have to help themselves first. Just like any other species, control of numbers (breeding) is essential. It doesn't work like that. You have high birth rates to counter the environmental variability and stochasticity. Increase survival and birth rates will drop - unless an artificial religion gets in the way, which is then just about dominance of one ruling elite's tribe over another's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One-percent Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 Oh bl00dy hell, does that mean we will have geldof and his ilk insisting we all "gisya money!" On telly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgul Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 13 minutes ago, LiveinHope said: Birth rate and famine are inextricabley linked. There us a high birth rate because there is an high juvenile death rate because famine and disease is anticipated as a way of life, the former due largely, to climatic variability. Young lives are expendable under that regime, you only need replacement long-term. If survival increases the birth rate will soon fall as few people will want a load of stroppy adolescents under their feet to support. Fix the cause, not the problem. There remains, however, a lag between change in the availability of healthcare reducing infant mortality, and the change in behaviours of the locals. By your measure (adolescents discourage procreation) it would take about 15 years before you changed behaviour, and I'd suggest that there are additional factors associated with time when you finish education and availability & use of contraception, along with inter-generational advice on behaviours. But, like most famines in recent years, it has probably got more to do with the amount of warfare suffered by the region (and concomitant impact on agriculture, storage and distribution). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgul Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 1 minute ago, One-percent said: Oh bl00dy hell, does that mean we will have geldof and his ilk insisting we all "gisya money!" On telly? These days the government cuts out the middle-man and gives our money directly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One-percent Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 3 minutes ago, dgul said: These days the government cuts out the middle-man and gives our money directly. True but I bet no one gives geldof the message. He'll be back gurning on the telly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiveinHope Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 4 minutes ago, dgul said: There remains, however, a lag between change in the availability of healthcare reducing infant mortality, and the change in behaviours of the locals. By your measure (adolescents discourage procreation) it would take about 15 years before you changed behaviour, and I'd suggest that there are additional factors associated with time when you finish education and availability & use of contraception, along with inter-generational advice on behaviours. But, like most famines in recent years, it has probably got more to do with the amount of warfare suffered by the region (and concomitant impact on agriculture, storage and distribution). I did say 'soon', in reference to a lag. But yes, warfare is also a factor influencing famine. I was just trying to emphasise the chicken and egg situation, the chicken of course, came first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spyguy Posted February 20, 2017 Author Share Posted February 20, 2017 24 minutes ago, LiveinHope said: Strewth. I'd sooner see random deaths due to famine. No. Dying off hunger is pretty bad way to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiveinHope Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 6 minutes ago, spyguy said: No. Dying off hunger is pretty bad way to go. Few deaths are good. Famine and disease are perfectly natural and ensure the fittest survive. It's how life works. Forced sterilisation isn't natural at all. We are the one main species that can regulate its numbers in other ways, such as by blowing each other up, which is far less preferable to dying from hunger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spyguy Posted February 20, 2017 Author Share Posted February 20, 2017 2 minutes ago, LiveinHope said: Few deaths are good. Famine and disease are perfectly natural and ensure the fittest survive. It's how life works. Forced sterilisation isn't natural at all. We are the one species that can regulate its numbers in other ways, such as by blowing each other up, which is far less preferable to dying from hunger. Brandy and revolver. Pretty instant. Slowly starving and eating grass. Hellish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiveinHope Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 1 minute ago, spyguy said: Brandy and revolver. Pretty instant. Slowly starving and eating grass. Hellish. I'd choose the latter, I might just live that bit longer than the next guy/gal, and food might be just around the corner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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PopGun Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 its ok we have a pro life anti abortionist in da Whitehorse. We know how much those tea baggers love contraception, almost as much as African men. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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