Saving For a Space Ship Posted November 29, 2014 Share Posted November 29, 2014 (edited) Home being built from shipping container to house family for Christmas http://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/home-being-built-from-shipping-container-to-house- family-for-christmas-1.2018053 Ireland’s first fully-compliant shipping container home. More than 60 contractors and suppliers are donating their materials and time free, to build what will be Ireland’s first home in a shipping container. The 40ft long by 8ft wide container is undergoing extensive refurbishment and will be donated to the St Vincent de Paul charity in the hope of housing a family in time for Christmas. The work is being carried out over three days in the grounds of the Irish Museum of Modern Art in Dublin and will be completed before its unveiling on Sunday. Many of those involved are from business networking group BNI Ireland. State of the art Architect Derek Trenaman said the structure would exceed building regulation standards. From plumbing to electrics and interior design services, “thousands of work hours” have been put in to turn the container into a state-of-the-art home. The vision for the project is to provide a “prototype” for communities who engage in other such endeavours to ease the housing crisis. “We’re developing a prototype which people can build from, so we’re actively looking toward community groups, individuals who want to do it themselves, to prototype a system they can follow in a DIY way,” said Mr Trenaman. “We’re trying to engage people and empower them. What we’re hoping for is that a community centre might come together with plumbers, welders and plasterers. With a small budget, they can pool together to build one of these.” Far in excess He said the prototype was being built “far in excess” of the building regulation standards and would have cost in the region of €50,000. A more modest unit could be constructed for approximately €25,000- €30,000, he said. Edited November 29, 2014 by Saving For a Space Ship Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Executive Sadman Posted November 29, 2014 Share Posted November 29, 2014 I think govt should rent every park/holiday home for 6 months or something, stuff the HB tenants in there temporarily to break the back of Landlords, allow rents to fall or houses to enter the sales market. Course, thats too logical, will never happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saving For a Space Ship Posted November 29, 2014 Author Share Posted November 29, 2014 (edited) I think govt should rent every park/holiday home for 6 months or something, stuff the HB tenants in there temporarily to break the back of Landlords, allow rents to fall or houses to enter the sales market. Course, thats too logical, will never happen. +1 With all their housing probs, what took the Irish this long ? 6 yrs after the crunch. They have so many empty site like Spain As far as HB claimants are concerned "cut out the landlord middle man" It's the modern way, the mob. co's did it to Phones 4u, The Chinese are doing it to Uk retailers. I think it could happen when the HB runs out, due to gov / council / VI/ economic can kicking. Perhaps many folk will just say sod the consequences & stick a container / insulated sheds etc in mums / friend back garden, as the AST insecure & expensive renting scam has just pushed them over the limit. In terms of the working poor & indebted, (non HB tenants). Arguably, if they don't do it, how are they ever going to compete with a global work forces' depressed wages or pay off their enormous debts, unless they save the rental costs Edited November 29, 2014 by Saving For a Space Ship Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Si1 Posted November 29, 2014 Share Posted November 29, 2014 I thought Ireland had loads of spare housing estates? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@contradevian Posted November 29, 2014 Share Posted November 29, 2014 (edited) Wow, the future has arrived .. living in a shipping container! And yes I have lived in a few shipping containers! We are regressing as a society to appease rentier scum Edited November 29, 2014 by aSecureTenant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Si1 Posted November 29, 2014 Share Posted November 29, 2014 Wow, the future has arrived .. living in a shipping container! And yes I have lived in a few shipping containers! We are regressing as a society to appease rentier scum +1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@contradevian Posted November 29, 2014 Share Posted November 29, 2014 Think I prefer the flat pack house http://www.homesandproperty.co.uk/property-news/rentals/answer-londons-rental-shortage-secret-tenant-tests-flat-pack-house Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
long time lurking Posted November 29, 2014 Share Posted November 29, 2014 Wow, the future has arrived .. living in a shipping container! And yes I have lived in a few shipping containers! We are regressing as a society to appease rentier scum would not lower myself to live in a place like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@contradevian Posted November 29, 2014 Share Posted November 29, 2014 would not lower myself to live in a place like this Sure but he was from a wealthy NI farming family with permission to build Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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2buyornot2buy Posted November 29, 2014 Share Posted November 29, 2014 Sure but he was from a wealthy NI farming family with permission to build Was he not a 40 something bachelor, living at home in the **** hole of nowhere in NI. We're "lucky" enough (relatively speaking) over here in that you can pick up sites in areas like this for 40k or so. The problem is it's miles from anywhere. If you wanted to do it yourself you could get the site and build for less than the cost of a ex-council semi in Belfast. All the jobs happen to be there though. I think that's the housing crisis they point to in the Republic. Outside of dublin there are thousands of cheap sites and finished houses, but all the jobs are in Dublin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloo Loo Posted November 30, 2014 Share Posted November 30, 2014 Think I prefer the flat pack house http://www.homesandproperty.co.uk/property-news/rentals/answer-londons-rental-shortage-secret-tenant-tests-flat-pack-house And from Loo Enterprises, the Christmas Family House in a Hamper. Perfect gift for all the family, a delight to be discovered under your tree on Christmas morning, we have versions for all tastes from the One room Wonder, to the complete Royal Package with a picture of metal railings, courtyard and garden. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Si1 Posted November 30, 2014 Share Posted November 30, 2014 Was he not a 40 something bachelor, living at home in the **** hole of nowhere in NI. We're "lucky" enough (relatively speaking) over here in that you can pick up sites in areas like this for 40k or so. The problem is it's miles from anywhere. If you wanted to do it yourself you could get the site and build for less than the cost of a ex-council semi in Belfast. All the jobs happen to be there though. I think that's the housing crisis they point to in the Republic. Outside of dublin there are thousands of cheap sites and finished houses, but all the jobs are in Dublin. Is Ireland's intercity infrastructure sh!te or something? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@contradevian Posted November 30, 2014 Share Posted November 30, 2014 All these solutions are great, and even better is mass producable to bring costs down. Why shouldn't ordering a house be as simple as ordering a new car? However all falls down to land and getting permission to build. As citizens we should have a 'right to build.' Sadly this isn't a reality in rentier Britain and never will be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2buyornot2buy Posted November 30, 2014 Share Posted November 30, 2014 Is Ireland's intercity infrastructure sh!te or something? Worse than awful. Travel time between the two main NI cities (Derry and Belfast) is about 80 minutes on a good day with little traffic. Only half of it is on a motorway. With bad weather and traffic you're easily looking at 2 hours. By train 2 hours 30 minutes. It's quicker to get from Belfast to Dublin. Northern Ireland's transport system is firmly stuck in the 70's, Belfast's system was designed to divide areas of the city rather that effectively distribute traffic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
long time lurking Posted November 30, 2014 Share Posted November 30, 2014 All these solutions are great, and even better is mass producable to bring costs down. Why shouldn't ordering a house be as simple as ordering a new car? However all falls down to land and getting permission to build. As citizens we should have a 'right to build.' Sadly this isn't a reality in rentier Britain and never will be. Yep thats the problem ...had a bit of a fling with a Norwegian girl about ten year a go i`m sure she said every one born in Norway was in tilted to a plot of land to build a home on when they stared to pay tax/or at a certain age, there were areas around every twon that was set aside by the government solely for this ,i never checked to see if it was true as i had no reason not to believe it , Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkG Posted November 30, 2014 Share Posted November 30, 2014 All these solutions are great, and even better is mass producable to bring costs down. Why shouldn't ordering a house be as simple as ordering a new car? People do that here. You can go to the house store, pick one you like, and they bring it to you on the back of a truck. Of course no-one here is telling them they can't just put a house on land they own because NIMBYs. Frankly, I can see a lot of attraction in a container-sized house, if you can just load it onto a truck or ship and move anywhere you feel like living, rather than having to pack up all your stuff and unpack it in another house somewhere else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulfar Posted November 30, 2014 Share Posted November 30, 2014 It has appeal but then so do flat pack houses or even brick houses. The problem is the cost of land with the permission to build upon. I like the Norwegian idea, would be quite happy to sell my current home to fund building a fresh property built to my requirements. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saving For a Space Ship Posted December 1, 2014 Author Share Posted December 1, 2014 (edited) http://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/home-being-built-from-shipping-container-to-house-family-for-christmas-1.2018053 From the article sub heading, it says "Organisers hope endeavour will be used as a prototype by communities" I've emailed the architect / Ea / charity organisers asking them to post the plans to this thread, so the Hpc forum community can study / use it as a prototype if we wish. Edited December 1, 2014 by Saving For a Space Ship Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Austin Allegro Posted December 4, 2014 Share Posted December 4, 2014 All these solutions are great, and even better is mass producable to bring costs down. Why shouldn't ordering a house be as simple as ordering a new car? However all falls down to land and getting permission to build. As citizens we should have a 'right to build.' Sadly this isn't a reality in rentier Britain and never will be. We have to keep reminding people of this though. Every few weeks the media crows over some 'solution to the housing problem' house built out of corrugated iron and cardboard or something. It's not the lack of buildings, it's the lack of planning permission. The simplest solution would be for councils to provide hardstanding, water, sewage and utilities and allow people (not just gypsies) to live permanently in caravans on them, subject to regulation. It could easily be done on former RAF bases etc. That way young people could move around the country to find work and wouldn't be stuck in the council-house trap. It wont' happen of course because people would bleat about 'shanty towns' etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snugglybear Posted December 4, 2014 Share Posted December 4, 2014 We have to keep reminding people of this though. Every few weeks the media crows over some 'solution to the housing problem' house built out of corrugated iron and cardboard or something. It's not the lack of buildings, it's the lack of planning permission. The simplest solution would be for councils to provide hardstanding, water, sewage and utilities and allow people (not just gypsies) to live permanently in caravans on them, subject to regulation. It could easily be done on former RAF bases etc. That way young people could move around the country to find work and wouldn't be stuck in the council-house trap. It wont' happen of course because people would bleat about 'shanty towns' etc. Two points. Caravans are bogging freezing in winter - been there, done that. The young people would need to be able to afford a vehicle capable of towing a caravan. Unless caravan-towing businesses were started, of course - with a large enough market, that might be viable. Possibly a business idea for gypsies / travellers - they've got the vehicles, they could earn money when not towing their own vans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Austin Allegro Posted December 4, 2014 Share Posted December 4, 2014 Two points. Caravans are bogging freezing in winter - been there, done that. The young people would need to be able to afford a vehicle capable of towing a caravan. Unless caravan-towing businesses were started, of course - with a large enough market, that might be viable. Possibly a business idea for gypsies / travellers - they've got the vehicles, they could earn money when not towing their own vans. I understand though that some types of caravan/mobile home can be quite well insulated and heated with a rocket stove. It must be possible because some park home type static caravans are lived in all year round, usually by old folk who probably feel the cold more. These would definitely need to be towed by a lorry though. It would still be easier than moving house. Another option would be for councils to build marinas. Again, this wouldn't be too difficult, just excavate some former industrial land by canals and run them independently of British Waterways, allowing houseboaters on continuous cruising licences to have residential moorings. A 57' narrowboat can travel across most of Great Britain, so again, it would aid mobility for those looking for work. But of course none of it will happen, because councils seem to prefer people to live in overpriced shoe-boxes built by the big housebuilders. Can't think why. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saving For a Space Ship Posted December 4, 2014 Author Share Posted December 4, 2014 (edited) http://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/home-being-built-from-shipping-container-to-house-family-for-christmas-1.2018053 From the article sub heading, it says "Organisers hope endeavour will be used as a prototype by communities" I've emailed the architect / Ea / charity organisers asking them to post the plans to this thread, so the Hpc forum community can study / use it as a prototype if we wish. Carol, who is one of the organisers, has kindly got back to me, I will post here if any further info is available Two points. Caravans are bogging freezing in winter - been there, done that. The young people would need to be able to afford a vehicle capable of towing a caravan. Unless caravan-towing businesses were started, of course - with a large enough market, that might be viable. Possibly a business idea for gypsies / travellers - they've got the vehicles, they could earn money when not towing their own vans. Older Caravans will be under insulated as they are low cost shelters. Newer caravans / campers use composite panels that are much better insulators http://www.composite-panel.co.uk/images/Styrofoam%20in%20Composite%20Panels.pdf This can be greatly improved by cladding with insulated panels from rigid foam board like kingspan & shuttering ply. Building a "car port " like structure around it from scaffolding or wood can help support the structure. Edited December 4, 2014 by Saving For a Space Ship Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saving For a Space Ship Posted December 8, 2014 Author Share Posted December 8, 2014 Building compliant "Stacked cargo containers in New Haven's "LEGO" apartments " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
long time lurking Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 That is awesome, I'm surprised more people don't look to use them but as he says, costs aren't yet amazingly cheap. Containers are cheap 2-3k for a 40 ft one, but like already stated the land is the problem then the planing issues ..as to many people see this type of construction as sub standard/cheap compared to standard construction ,my answer to that is simple if there was an earthquake what would be left standing,the timber framed brick skinned Barrat box or the container house As stated in the video most of the containers were 18 years or older and thats 18 years in the harshest environment with the same paint Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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