The Ukraine Chernobyl Thread

[Steppenpig]

Surface to air missile attack ruled out as calibre of cockpit bullet holes puts Ukraine pilots in the frame for MH17 murders

http://hat4uk.wordpress.com/2014/07/28/new-mh17-sensation-german-experts-point-finger-at-ukrainian-air-force-jets/

That is a the same analysis that copydude posted. Did you look at the pictures? Did you think they looked more like bullet holes then missile shrapnel?

Actually, I would have thought an air to air missile would have to be postulated anyway, as the alleged Ukrainian fighter were 5km away. (Not that i know anything about military aircraft, but i assume you have to get within a couple of 100 m at least to be able to machine gun them

[Errol]

Dutch PM tells Ukraine to stop fighting near MH17 crash site

The Dutch Prime Minister, Mark Rutte, has called Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko to ask government forces to stop fighting around the Malaysia Airlines crash site after experts were unable to get there for a third day running.

http://rt.com/news/176408-mh17-clashes-inspectors-ukraine/

[Marshmellow]

Same as Stalin and Hitler ...

Wow, we never saw that misinformed and ignorant post coming

[Stay Beautiful]

28 Jul 2014-Minister of Defence-Strelkov Press Conference

[F-sake]

Thanks for that. I must admit that it seems a bit overoptimistic to expect people to understand what he was talking about

[Stay Beautiful]

I must admit that it seems a bit overoptimistic to expect people to understand what he was talking about

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[Stay Beautiful]

ORDER of the Commander-in-Chief of the Donetsk People’s Republic Militia
July 27, 2014, in the City of Donetsk

With respect to the introduction of measures to be applied to the voluntarily surrendering servicemen of the Ukrainian Armed Forces.

Recently, we have been observing a sharp increase in the number of servicemen within the ranks of the Ukrainian Armed Forces unwilling to continue fighting a fratricidal war against their own people and refusing to obey the criminal orders of their command. Despite being subjected to various types of punishment by their commanders and to violent duress by the Nazis, all the way up to extrajudicial executions, such servicemen, nevertheless, do not surrender to the forces of the DPR Militia, fearful of being subjected to repressions by the latter. Guided by considerations of humanity in the name of stopping the bloodshed and saving the lives of Ukrainian servicemen, who were forcibly sent into the area of the fratricidal war,

I HEREBY ORDER:

All the commanders and the fighters of the forces of the DPR Militia not to open fire on groups or individual servicemen of the Ukrainian Armed Forces that have raised a white flag or signified their intention to surrender in another manner. After disarmament and inspection to ensure that they carry no weapons, such persons are to be permitted through the battle ranks of the Militia and concentrated in special collection points for further transportation to the deep rear under guard. Those persons are to be assigned the status of POW [Prisoners of War].

In accordance with the Geneva Conventions “Rules of Conducting Warfare”, and the additional protocols thereto, such persons shall be provided with such nutrition and medical assistance as may be required. The use of executions, torture and humiliation in relation to them is prohibited. Any contravention of this part is considered to be a military offense and shall be punishable in accordance with the Laws of Wartime.

There shall be a formal accounting of all the above-noted persons and information regarding them shall be sent to the Staff of the DPR Militia for the determination of their future location in accordance with three schemes that are based on personal choice. Persons that voluntarily lay down arms and surrender to the forces of the DPR Militia and that have not committed grave crimes in the course of the hostilities on the territory of Novorossiya may choose:
to return to their families in Ukraine;
to join the ranks of the DPR Militia; and,
to be sent to the territory of Russia as a temporarily interned person (an option – as a refugee).

Minister of Defence
Commander of the Militia
Of the Donetsk People’s Republic
Colonel I.I. Strelkov

[Errol]

President Vladimir Putin Speaks: US Sanctions and Ukraine, July 2014

- A brilliant speaker, evidently with an extremely sharp intellect. Russia is very lucky to have him.

Edited July 31, 2014 by Errol

[F-sake]

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My fault, missed that option, perhaps because didn't need it.

[Errol]

Russia And India Begin Negotiations To Use National Currencies In Settlements, Bypassing Dollar

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-07-31/russia-and-india-begin-negotations-use-national-currencies-settlements-bypassing-dol

Edited July 31, 2014 by Errol

[libspero]

A brilliant speaker, evidently with an extremely sharp intellect. Russia is very lucky to have him.

Very interesting to watch him speak.. thanks for the link.

[1929crash]

President Vladimir Putin Speaks: US Sanctions and Ukraine, July 2014

- A brilliant speaker, evidently with an extremely sharp intellect. Russia is very lucky to have him.

Putin keeps referring to "our American partners." Is this postmodern irony?

[Stay Beautiful]

3rd round of conscription meeting plenty of resistance with families of targeted eligible sons.

With America pulling the strings on Ukraine maybe they should come out of their rock and send GI's over?

[Errol]

It’s Putin’s fault… really?

http://rt.com/op-edge/178352-western-media-putin-fault/

[interestrateripoff]

Costs? US Exports To Russia Collapse 34%

While Jack lew promised the economic impact on the US economy of Russian sanctions would be minimal, the facts suggest the opposite. Admittedly, Russia is not the US' largest trade partner but escalating sanctions have resulted in a 34% collapse in US exports to Russia - the largest absolute drop since 2010. Imports (from Russia) also fell (for the 3rd month in a row) but while the US is suffering 'costs' it is clear Russia is hurting more (for now - as Putin is set to unleash his countermeasures). Since sanctions began Russian stocks are up 9.5% and the S&P up 4.5% but the spread has collapsed in recent weeks.

[Stay Beautiful]

Three Statements by Fyodor Berezin (Strelkov's Deputy)


August 3, 2014 -

Reporter: So, not too long ago, a resource called “The Free Information Zone” published an article comparing the weaponry of the Militia with that of the Ukrainian army. And so, we were hoping to have this information either confirmed or denied and, in general, to obtain some kind of commentary. According to this article, the Junta’s advantage in terms of military hardware is six hundred to five. In other words, where we have five tanks, the Ukrainian Junta has six hundred. The advantage in personnel is ten to one. In other words, the Junta has about thirty five thousand men, while we have five to seven thousand. This is according to various information. What can you say about this article by an allied resource?

Fyodor Berezin: It is elementary. It is understandable that Ukraine has hoarded a lot of tanks dating back to the days of the USSR. Right? And all of them have been concentrated here, against the Donetsk Republic. And if some Romania attacked now, it would occupy the entire Ukraine – it would be that easy. There are no tanks and no Grads left there, and probably no soldiers too. Unless they call up the disabled.

With respect to the ratio of the forces – it is obvious that a whole bunch of regions of Ukraine will exceed two regions, considering, particularly, that they are incomplete. Accordingly, there do possess superiority – it is there – but so what? In whose favour is the real ratio of losses at the front? In other words …

Reporter: Well, thirteen thousand Ukrainian died – the Junta’s soldiers – so we can see …

Fyodor Berezin: I do not know how many of them died [in total]. I know that this night and the previous night, just in the area of Shakhtersk, there is approximately a thousand dead on the Ukrainian side. That is an ocean of blood. A sea of dead Ukrainian soldiers. And they keep crawling and crawling here. And conscription centres keep recruiting them; they keep crying that they are forcibly conscripted. So what is it? They are forced to go to war to their death, and they do not resist? Do not join this army that sends you to your death!

First it is forty of them, then it is one hundred and twenty five, then one hundred, and so on – I mean just tanks, BMPs, and other armoured vehicles. Whole columns of them are destroyed; every night we destroyed several of them, and it is all left burning there. And inside them are people, all these Ukrainian guys that decided to come to fight here, to demonstrate their patriotism. They perform their so-called duty to their Ukie motherland – to Poroshenko’s fascist motherland.

Ukrainian mothers, please take your children back. Wives take back your husbands. Children take back your father, while they are still alive. Or the entire Western Ukraine soon enough will lose its gene pool. Otherwise all of them will find their death here. Despite everything, we will expel them all. If they resist too much, we will escort them further. They should leave before it’s too late and leave the hardware here, while it is still functional. Give it another few days, and it will all be destroyed.

Be it one to a hundred or one to ten, there is no difference. Understand, they burn and burn regardless.
15:29 – July 3, 2014 – Commentary from Fyodor Berezin (Strelkov’s Deputy)

And nevertheless.

Judging by the reactions to my previous posting (with respect to the enemy’s armoured vehicle losses, totaling 125 units, near Shakhtersk) nobody believes anything.

No wonder. I would not have believed it myself. Even in my books I have always tried to make losses fifty-fifty. However, today the situation is different. Here is something, just for your information.

On average – on regular days – the Kiev Junta loses between 30 and 40 armoured vehicles a day. The main area where they suffer losses is Shakhtersk and Snezhnoye. Now also added to that is Maryinka and one more direction near Donetsk.

On average, every one or two days, the Junta army sustains very serious losses. I.e. up to 100 units of military hardware and between 700 and 1000 soldiers killed. And these are not fairytales.

I do not know how much armour the Juntoids have left. Do not have time to engage in analytics. I presume, and there is information that confirms these speculations, that they are already using old tank stocks from the Warsaw Pact. We have evidence with respect to Polish hardware.

We catch mercenaries. Moreover, from very remote areas of the world. For now, not everything can be disclosed.

And, as usual, an appeal to the moms of the western regions. Take away your children from Donbass. Otherwise, every single one of them will burn in the “boxes” [Note: armoured vehicles] or next to them.
22:48 - July 29, 2014 – Briefing from Fyodor Berezin (Strelkov’s Deputy)

Yesterday [July 28, 2014], Shakhtersk witnessed the Prokhorovka of our times.

The total enemy losses of military hardware over the past day in Shakhtersk are 125 (one hundred and twenty five) vehicles, including tanks, BMPs, BTRs. Multiply this number by the size of their crews, and you get a very impressive result.

We warned them, did we not? Get the hell out of Donbass! And you did not believe us. Mothers, wives, sisters! Take your Ukie warriors back! Or you will completely lose the Ukie nation’s gene pool. Where are the Maidans protesting the mobilization? Poroshenko, my chocolate one, your own will soon tear you to pieces!

[Errol]

Detailed expert analysis of the MH17 downing - http://vineyardsaker.blogspot.co.uk/2014/08/detailed-expert-analysis-of-mh17-downing.html

[Errol]

Evidence Is Now Conclusive: Two Ukrainian Government Fighter-Jets Shot Down Malaysian Airlines MH17. It was Not a ‘Buk’ Surface to Air Missile

http://www.globalresearch.ca/evidence-is-now-conclusive-two-ukrainian-government-fighter-jets-shot-down-malaysian-airlines-mh17-it-was-not-a-buk-surface-to-air-missile/5394814

[Errol]

Lol. Pathetic.

Europe Furious That Putin Dares To Retaliate To Sanctions, Blames Economic Slide On Kremlin

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-08-07/europe-furious-putin-dares-retaliate-sanctions-blames-economic-slide-kremlin

[Errol]

Putin running rings aroud the EU/US again. I wonder how long it will be until the CIA gives some thought to assassination?

You wanna be Uncle Sam's bitch? Pay the price!

http://vineyardsaker.blogspot.co.uk/2014/08/you-wanna-be-uncle-sams-bitch-pay-price.html

Edited August 7, 2014 by Errol

[chronyx]

Good reads

[interestrateripoff]

Pentagon Confirms Russia Violated US Airspace 16 Times In Last 10 Days, "Not Just Training Missions"

Having admitted that a Russian fighter jet flew within 30 meters of a US spy plane (on the border of Russia) a month ago, The Washington Times reports defense officials confirming Russian strategic nuclear bombers conducted at least 16 incursions into northwestern U.S. air defense identification zones over the past 10 days - an unusually sharp increase in aerial penetrations.

[Stay Beautiful]

Pentagon Confirms Russia Violated US Airspace 16 Times In Last 10 Days, "Not Just Training Missions"

Having admitted that a Russian fighter jet flew within 30 meters of a US spy plane (on the border of Russia) a month ago, The Washington Times reports defense officials confirming Russian strategic nuclear bombers conducted at least 16 incursions into northwestern U.S. air defense identification zones over the past 10 days - an unusually sharp increase in aerial penetrations.

I believe those planes are not full of bombs but geological tech stuff.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tupolev_Tu-95

[Errol]

President Vladimir Putin has assembled an emergency meeting with permanent members of the Russian Security Council on Friday, according to presidential spokesman Dmitry Peskov. The situation in eastern Ukraine was discussed in detail with the focus on a humanitarian catastrophe turning disastrous there, ITAR-TASS quoted Peskov as saying. Those at the meeting also discussed issues relating to Russian economic security.

http://rt.com/news/line/2014-08-08/#68000

Edited August 8, 2014 by Errol

[copydude]

I chatted with a friend in Donetsk this week.

Now you hear bombing all the time and everyone is in a state of panic.

On Wednesday the MTC cable was hit and there are few working mobiles. Irina could not contact her son and daughter to see if they got home safely from work.

On Sunday she will try to get out down to friends in the South. There are still some trains, but many cancellations. Her son has not been able to get to Kharkov. It isn't safe to go by road out of Donetsk . . . some cars and passengers have just disappeared. Obviously, food in the shops is diminishing.

The hatred of Kiev has intensified of course with the war.

There are 2.2 million people in the local oblast. There are going to be a lot of casualties.