Mutating Power Of Pron Is A Curse Upon The Young

[interestrateripoff]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/internet/10135701/Mutating-power-of-porn-is-a-curse-upon-the-young.html

A friend whose sister is a beauty therapist recently told me of her horror that so many teenage girls were asking for a complete body wax. Boys, they told her, were repelled by anything else.

Not, à la John Ruskin, whose exposure to classical statuary famously led him to recoil in horror when his wife undressed on her wedding night, but because these days schoolboys expect their 17-year-old girlfriends to look (and behave) like the women portrayed in online porn.

Moral panic has a pejorative ring to it, but having done a little research, and attended a recent conference on the subject, I would suggest panic is the absolute correct reaction. A generation is being hyper-sexualised in the most warped way imaginable.

I applaud Google for belatedly bowing to public pressure this week and vowing to set about eradicating illegal child pornography from the internet.

But I believe it and other search engines, computer manufacturers and the Government must also take urgent steps to create an adults-only, credit-card activated portal through which legal pornography can be accessed.

A nice credit card activated portal..... It would just send pron back underground and people would seek ways to get around it. After what happened with operation Ore I'd certainly never want to submit my credit card details to any porn site.

A generation hypersexualised in what context? If we compare now to ancient Rome is the youth of today more sexualised now than then?

[okaycuckoo]

The pasted bit of the article is a mess of non-sequiturs.

But finding a secure way of paying pennies for content on t'intertubes is necessary. Impossible to make it anonymous, I guess.

[LiveinHope]

Of course, society requiring women to make themselves look prepubescent has no contradictions.

[Guest eight]

A generation hypersexualised in what context? If we compare now to ancient Rome is the youth of today more sexualised now than then?

I saw the uncensored version of Blurred Lines for the first time the other day. Now that's not even particularly explicit, but for some reason I wondered to myself what effect that would have had on me when I was 15. And the honest answer is, I think I would actually have died of some kind of arousal related explosion. If young lads think that they're ever going to come across a woman comparable to the brunette out of that then I would describe their expectations as "unrealistic". No amount of wax is going to transform Chantelle from Doncaster into that.....

I feel really sorry for young of today.

[stormymonday_2011]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/internet/10135701/Mutating-power-of-porn-is-a-curse-upon-the-young.html

A generation hypersexualised in what context? If we compare now to ancient Rome is the youth of today more sexualised now than then?

Depilation has gone in and out of fashion many times down the ages in places as diverse as Ancient Egypt, China, India, Greece and Rome.

Sometimes it was done for reasons of religion, sometimes for reasons of hygiene, sometimes for reasons of sexual attractiveness and sometimes simply to mark out the civilized from the hirsute barbarians

One thing is pretty certain. None of those previous fads for waxing, shaving or tweaking out hair were inspired by online porn.

[skrillex]

The pasted bit of the article is a mess of non-sequiturs.

But finding a secure way of paying pennies for content on t'intertubes is necessary. Impossible to make it anonymous, I guess.

I've used Bitcoin to pay for digital downloads (not erotica). It was actually the first time in my life I've paid for a download! I didn't even need to give an email address so it's as anonymous as you're going to get.

I think Bitcoin is really going to shake up the download market. Because micropayments aren't a problem you can expect to see lots of new business models like paying 20p in bitcoins for 30 minutes of access to a whole a pron site (this is already in the works apparently but Manwin are getting some trouble from their affiliates about it).

[The Eagle]

Of course, society requiring women to make themselves look prepubescent has no contradictions.

I don't think that's the reason. The more likely reason is that these days women expect men to go down on them and a big bush doesn't exactly make that easy and/or pleasant...

[Dorkins]

Unsurprisingly, the article was written by a woman. Given how many of her friends have children, it seems safe to guess that she is a mother herself.

I don't quite understand why so many mothers want to control the sexual behaviour of the reproductive age males around them, but it seems totally creepy to me.

What happens between two consenting 17 year olds is their business and nobody else's.

[Errol]

There is no way this can ever work with people supplying details of any kind. Any kind of opt-in system simply can't be allowed. It would be a grotesque invasion of privacy.

It's up to parents to control what children see on the web. They need to stop trying to get someone else to look after their children.

[snowflux]

It's up to parents to control what children see on the web. They need to stop trying to get someone else to look after their children.

Not wanting to take sides in this particular issue, I'd still argue that it is neither possible nor desirable for parents to keep track of every movement of their offspring once they reach a certain age, in either the physical or virtual world. Society also has to play a role during the transition phase from fully-dependent child to fully-independent adult. So yes, to some extent parents do need the help of others to look after their children.

[DeepLurker]

Not wanting to take sides in this particular issue, I'd still argue that it is neither possible nor desirable for parents to keep track of every movement of their offspring once they reach a certain age, in either the physical or virtual world. Society also has to play a role during the transition phase from fully-dependent child to fully-independent adult. So yes, to some extent parents do need the help of others to look after their children.

True, but a software Big Brother who invisibly censors part of the net will not teach them anything - except maybe to arouse their interest, Neo-style: "what is the Matrix? What is this thing that I know exists, but am not allowed to learn more about?".

[LiveinHope]

I don't think that's the reason. The more likely reason is that these days women expect men to go down on them and a big bush doesn't exactly make that easy and/or pleasant...

and shaved legs, armpits ?

The only secondary sexual characteristics of puberty that aren't removed are the breasts.

[The Eagle]

and shaved legs, armpits ?

Even most women of our parents' generation used to shave their armpits and legs, I don't think that's the subject of that article, what that woman is upset about is shaving of pubic hair.

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[Darkman]

So porn is encouraging girls to get a body wax? err... big deal. Sorry, but these women who consistently appear out of the woodwork claiming porn is the greatest evil on earth are irritating. They just cannot accept the fact that what occurs between consenting adults is none of their business. That's why they've never succeeded in banning porn.

She may have tears streaming down her face and afterwards, when they have finished using her as an object, as she lies battered and abused on the floor, they spit on her. Or urinate on her. Or both.

I've never actually paid for porn, though I've seen a fair bit of it. I have very very rarely seen anything involving a woman being urinated on or spat on. That has to be a specialised area of porn with a minority audience. But of course giggly school boys might share that stuff simply because it is so repellant. No way is it representative of ordinary porn IMO. No surprises though that this journalist creates the impression that all porn is like this

[snowflux]

True, but a software Big Brother who invisibly censors part of the net will not teach them anything - except maybe to arouse their interest, Neo-style: "what is the Matrix? What is this thing that I know exists, but am not allowed to learn more about?".

It's generally a question of allowing them to take in the world and all its glory in manageable chunks. I can't imagine that many people would want their kids to graduate straight from In The Night Garden to full-on chainsaw porn. People are formed by their environment - it's how we learn our language and culture - and, while our kids do need to learn about the grittier bits of life, it's not necessarily desirable for those to be their defining experiences.

[snowflux]

Do they shave in Germany yet? Remember the horror at 99 Red Balloons?

Last time I checked, most don't. Nor do they wear much make-up as a rule. They do, however, tend to have leaner and fitter bodies.

[The Eagle]

Last time I checked, most don't. Nor do they wear much make-up as a rule. They do, however, tend to have leaner and fitter bodies.

I'm not sure which women you checked out in Germany (must have been farm girls) but I guarantee you if you go to any night club in Hamburg, Munich, Berlin or any other major city you will see plenty of bare skin but not a single hair on the girls except on their heads!

[stormymonday_2011]

It's generally a question of allowing them to take in the world and all its glory in manageable chunks. I can't imagine that many people would want their kids to graduate straight from In The Night Garden to full-on chainsaw porn. People are formed by their environment - it's how we learn our language and culture - and, while our kids do need to learn about the grittier bits of life, it's not necessarily desirable for those to be their defining experiences.

Each age has its own defining features with which the young have to deal As a kid in the late 1960s and early 1970s I had the Vietnam war on the TV news every night of the week. The embedded reporting from that conflict was far more graphic than most of the sanitised coverage the media churn out today as war reportage. Napalm, mangled bodies and notoriously a Viet Cong suspect having his brains blown out by a South Vietnamese military policeman on prime time TV. Personally I would prefer my children and their offspring to watch hairless people having sex on the internet.

[snowflux]

I'm not sure which women you checked out in Germany (must have been farm girls) but I guarantee you if you go to any night club in Hamburg, Munich, Berlin or any other major city you will see plenty of bare skin but not a single hair on the girls except on their heads!

The last time I checked was, admittedly, about 10 years ago, but that was in a mixed naked swimming bath and sauna that I used to frequent (with the missus); we didn't really do nightclubs. Pretty much all the women seemed to have hair down below, and most under their arms too. Perhaps not so many now. They were generally well fit though.

That said, I am impressed that you have visited all the nightclubs in all the major cities of Germany (edit: and checked the underarms of all the female patrons!)

[snowflux]

Each age has its own defining features with which the young have to deal As a kid in the late 1960s and early 1970s I had the Vietnam war on the TV news every night of the week. The embedded reporting from that conflict was far more graphic than most of the sanitised coverage the media churn out today as war reportage. Napalm, mangled bodies and notoriously a Viet Cong suspect having his brains blown out by a South Vietnamese military policeman on prime time TV. Personally I would prefer my children and their offspring to watch hairless people having sex on the internet.

I don't remember anything like that on prime-time TV in the 60s and 70s. I'm sure you can easily find violent stuff on YouTube nowadays that is far more graphic than anything they used to show on TV.

By the way, I've nothing much against kids seeing sex, so long as it is realistically portrayed and obviously consensual.

[SNACR]

Do they shave in Germany yet? Remember the horror at 99 Red Balloons?

Hope not, the novelty of an endless stream of oven-ready eastern european teenage girls has definitely worn off for me.

[Nuggets Mahoney]

Each age has its own defining features with which the young have to deal As a kid in the late 1960s and early 1970s I had the Vietnam war on the TV news every night of the week. The embedded reporting from that conflict was far more graphic than most of the sanitised coverage the media churn out today as war reportage. Napalm, mangled bodies and notoriously a Viet Cong suspect having his brains blown out by a South Vietnamese military policeman on prime time TV. Personally I would prefer my children and their offspring to watch hairless people having sex on the internet.

I would have been seven or eight at the time and there are two set images I remember from the early 70s which mixed nudity, my first conscious memory of seeing naked people, with death and mutilation. That napalmed girl in Vietnam (yes, it

)...

and photos of the victims of starvation and disease in Nazi concentration camps shown in The World at War

70s TV was h@rdcore

[Si1]

Isn't the subtext of the journo's POV that the captain of her schools football team didn't take am interest in her and all men are to blame despite the probability that she friend-zoned umpteen others who fell short of her own high standards?

[LiveinHope]

Even most women of our parents' generation used to shave their armpits and legs, I don't think that's the subject of that article, what that woman is upset about is shaving of pubic hair.

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Not saying they didn't.

There are plenty of societies in the world where women don't shave every hair from their body, yet they still manage to procreate and enjoy sex, and its various acts, I suspect.

In many cultures body hair is erotic, which is hardly surprising since it indicates that the person is a woman capable of child bearing, and not still a prebuscent girl.

Consequently, I question the motivation to strip the body of secondary sexual characteristics if it makes an individual look more erotic to us.

[justthisbloke]

Until a recent change in fashion, practically every bloke from puberty and for the rest of their life has been forced to take a razor blade across the face once or twice a day, every day.

I can't even blame the 70s porn industry for that.