R K Posted September 19, 2012 Share Posted September 19, 2012 http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/motor-shows/paris-motor-show/9550114/Dacia-Sandero-could-cost-from-5995.html One for the HPC die-hards who might prefer a new car (albeit some old Clio underpinnings) rather than bankgernomics. £6k over 120 months = £50 per month. Almost smart phone contract territory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
19 year mortgage 8itch Posted September 19, 2012 Share Posted September 19, 2012 Could run a Duster AND a Sandero for less than Golf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest eight Posted September 19, 2012 Share Posted September 19, 2012 http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/motor-shows/paris-motor-show/9550114/Dacia-Sandero-could-cost-from-5995.html One for the HPC die-hards who might prefer a new car (albeit some old Clio underpinnings) rather than bankgernomics. £6k over 120 months = £50 per month. Almost smart phone contract territory. I'm prepared to guess by the time it gets here it will be specced up to the eyeballs, have six times as many airbags and cost about £12k. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R K Posted September 19, 2012 Author Share Posted September 19, 2012 I'm prepared to guess by the time it gets here it will be specced up to the eyeballs, have six times as many airbags and cost about £12k. Base model won't be. Higher specs sure. Duster appears to be £8,995 for stripped out model. Similar to the Skoda Citigo (£7.5k), VW Up (£8K) coming out of the VAG Czech factories. Base models come with manual window winders etc to keep costs down but can be optioned. Point is that the straight line depreciation over the lifetime of these cars is probably less than the cost of the petrol to fuel them. Astonishing really for a 5 dr, and a welcome move away from (as SYNT points out) German made Golfs which are nudging not much short of £20k, and that's before Germany exits the Euro! Will be interesting to see the actual prices/specs and insurance group/tax/CO2 when it launches next month. Not sure it will beat the Citigo overall.Ford and Vauxhall offerings look like toast though Edit: The other issue in the UK market is that the govt. refuses to confirm policy on road tax. Presumably they don't have a policy like most everything else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Hovis Posted September 19, 2012 Share Posted September 19, 2012 Base model won't be. Higher specs sure. Duster appears to be £8,995 for stripped out model. When this was started a few years ago (car mags and Top Gear flagged it up) the Sandero was planned to be on sale for about £3.5k because of the back to basics approach. Even £6k is way north of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
interestrateripoff Posted September 19, 2012 Share Posted September 19, 2012 Is this the future of all the big brands, create new companies without the pension liabilities and build "new" cars at lower costs? Then allow the parent company to fail? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swissy_fit Posted September 19, 2012 Share Posted September 19, 2012 When this was started a few years ago (car mags and Top Gear flagged it up) the Sandero was planned to be on sale for about £3.5k because of the back to basics approach. Even £6k is way north of that. There's been a "bit" of inflation since then and a massive depreciation in the pound, 6k isn't that far off what you might expect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Hovis Posted September 19, 2012 Share Posted September 19, 2012 There's been a "bit" of inflation since then and a massive depreciation in the pound, 6k isn't that far off what you might expect. This was £3.5k relative to the cheapest cars being 6k or 7k, which they still are. Just think it's been bumped up before coming here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saabman Posted September 19, 2012 Share Posted September 19, 2012 i expect the residuals for second hand cars will slide even more next year. not good news as car sales are low at moment.... anyone want rover 75 diesel estate...lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
19 year mortgage 8itch Posted September 19, 2012 Share Posted September 19, 2012 Base model won't be. Higher specs sure. Duster appears to be £8,995 for stripped out model. Similar to the Skoda Citigo (£7.5k), VW Up (£8K) coming out of the VAG Czech factories. Base models come with manual window winders etc to keep costs down but can be optioned. Point is that the straight line depreciation over the lifetime of these cars is probably less than the cost of the petrol to fuel them. Astonishing really for a 5 dr, and a welcome move away from (as SYNT points out) German made Golfs which are nudging not much short of £20k, and that's before Germany exits the Euro! Will be interesting to see the actual prices/specs and insurance group/tax/CO2 when it launches next month. Not sure it will beat the Citigo overall.Ford and Vauxhall offerings look like toast though Edit: The other issue in the UK market is that the govt. refuses to confirm policy on road tax. Presumably they don't have a policy like most everything else. Capital costs won't matter though if it can't do 50+ mpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dangermaus Posted September 19, 2012 Share Posted September 19, 2012 i expect the residuals for second hand cars will slide even more next year. not good news as car sales are low at moment.... anyone want rover 75 diesel estate...lol ill give you £10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrashedOutAndBurned Posted September 20, 2012 Share Posted September 20, 2012 I'm all for this sort of thing. We've watched low-end superminis get to stupid prices and a scramble for 'spec' take place. If this thing is reliable and economical to run then great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest eight Posted September 20, 2012 Share Posted September 20, 2012 Similar to the Skoda Citigo (£7.5k), VW Up (£8K) coming out of the VAG Czech factories. Base models come with manual window winders etc to keep costs down but can be optioned. Do you believe it's necessarily true that wind up windows are cheaper to install than electric ones? I reckon there'll be nothing in it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Knimbies who say No Posted September 20, 2012 Share Posted September 20, 2012 I'm all for this sort of thing. We've watched low-end superminis get to stupid prices and a scramble for 'spec' take place. If this thing is reliable and economical to run then great. Agreed. It even looks as though it doesn't come with daft low-profile tyres and big wheels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Hovis Posted September 20, 2012 Share Posted September 20, 2012 Do you believe it's necessarily true that wind up windows are cheaper to install than electric ones? I reckon there'll be nothing in it. Yes, though for parts and installation combined. Think of the wiring loom required and the electric motors. With wind-up windows the door has no wires in it and just joins on the hinges and lock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AThirdWay Posted September 20, 2012 Share Posted September 20, 2012 ill give you £10 I'll give you £11 if you fill the tank..... with diesel of course! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AThirdWay Posted September 20, 2012 Share Posted September 20, 2012 Yes, though for parts and installation combined. Think of the wiring loom required and the electric motors. With wind-up windows the door has no wires in it and just joins on the hinges and lock. Only if it doesn't have central locking though. Not convinced that the 'stripped out' spec is the way to go, as most drivers will expect some creature comforts in todays market. Why can't they provide a similar spec to current models from the parent company? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R K Posted September 20, 2012 Author Share Posted September 20, 2012 Do you believe it's necessarily true that wind up windows are cheaper to install than electric ones? I reckon there'll be nothing in it. I meant retail cost. No idea about the manufacturing/installation cost. On the Skoda Citigo it appears to be a £350 cost option on the base model for electric front windows, driver's seat height adjustment and remote central locking. At least there's a choice. http://www.skoda.co.uk/GBR/newcars/Citigo/Pages/default.aspx (from the download brochure) Comfort pack Basic rrPComfort package (inc. Height Adj Driver seat, Elec. Windows, remote Central locking) Backrest release for front seats with ‘Easy Entry’* £2 9 1.6 7 £350.00 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Posted September 20, 2012 Share Posted September 20, 2012 http://www.hyundai.co.uk/offers the bottom spec Hyundai I10 is £6995 and comes with •Air conditioning •Electric front windows •Front and front side airbags •Stereo RDS radio/CD player with MP3 compatibility •USB and Aux connections Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swissy_fit Posted September 20, 2012 Share Posted September 20, 2012 http://www.hyundai.co.uk/offers the bottom spec Hyundai I10 is £6995 and comes with •Air conditioning •Electric front windows •Front and front side airbags •Stereo RDS radio/CD player with MP3 compatibility •USB and Aux connections and a 5 year guarantee plus Korean reliability. The Sandero is a bit bigger, to be fair, so should maybe be compared to the i20. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sledgehead Posted September 20, 2012 Share Posted September 20, 2012 Is this the future of all the big brands, create new companies without the pension liabilities and build "new" cars at lower costs? Then allow the parent company to fail? good question Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bossybabe Posted September 20, 2012 Share Posted September 20, 2012 You can't beat my Landcruiser for value. Bought it in 2005 for £4000. It was 13 years old with around 80,000 miles on the clock. 7 years and 131,000 on the clock later, and it's worth around £3,500. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gone baby gone Posted September 20, 2012 Share Posted September 20, 2012 You can't beat my Landcruiser for value. Bought it in 2005 for £4000. It was 13 years old with around 80,000 miles on the clock. 7 years and 131,000 on the clock later, and it's worth around £3,500. Yeah, but £4000 in 2005 is actually worth about £5000 in today's money. So you've lost 30% of it's value. Which to be fair, isn't terrible. Inflation, don't you just love it?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bossybabe Posted September 20, 2012 Share Posted September 20, 2012 1348167746[/url]' post='909143694']Yeah, but £4000 in 2005 is actually worth about £5000 in today's money. So you've lost 30% of it's value. Which to be fair, isn't terrible. Inflation, don't you just love it?! I love my Landcruiser more. Have looked at brand new cars but just can't find one that I can afford that measures up. ( it did cost £44,000 new and I couldn't afford more than about £25,000, but clearly am too mean to spend it on a car! Oh, and I run it on old chip oil! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R K Posted September 21, 2012 Author Share Posted September 21, 2012 You can't beat my Landcruiser for value. Bought it in 2005 for £4000. It was 13 years old with around 80,000 miles on the clock. 7 years and 131,000 on the clock later, and it's worth around £3,500. So you'd need to include the mpg, cost of fuel, road tax, insurance, servicing, repairs etc over that 7 years too. Depreciation is only one factor. Clearly also a landruiser is presumably serving a different requirement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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