Tuberider Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 Link to PDF Was it Warren Buffet who said, he who shorts America is sure to lose ? Could be the start of a big shift in manufacturing away from China towards the USA again. And where America leads, the west follows... P.s Also saw on the BBC today that the tiddlies are attacking Japanese factories due to the islands dispute. Surely this will cause some Japs companies to rethink their China production strategy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Errol Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 Industrial production in the U.S. 'unexpectedly' (lol) fell in August by the most since March 2009. http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-09-14/u-s-industrial-production-fell-in-august.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
interestrateripoff Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 (edited) Is Apple producing the Iphone in the US? Edited September 17, 2012 by interestrateripoff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCountOfNowhere Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 I don't see there being a next big thing at the mo...unless someone invents free energy ( tax free ? ), personal levitation devices, or cheap inter-planetary transport. All that I can see being left is...knock it down and start again....i.e. WAR. Let's hope we loose this time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloo Loo Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 The next big thing will be religion. People hacked off that the consumer lifestyle fulfils nothing. So you had the iphone 1 thru 5....what has really changed in your life? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCountOfNowhere Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 The next big thing will be religion. People hacked off that the consumer lifestyle fulfils nothing. So you had the iphone 1 thru 5....what has really changed in your life? Religion is/was a mechanism for propaganda and control. We have at least 84% TV coverage in the UK, the internet usage has exploded, the UK government no longer has a need for religion, hence why after 2000 years we see a massive decline in the church....Have you been to a church lately....mostly full of people in their 70's and some odd young people. The church could be dead in 30 years Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloo Loo Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 Religion is/was a mechanism for propaganda and control. We have at least 84% TV coverage in the UK, the internet usage has exploded, the UK government no longer has a need for religion, hence why after 2000 years we see a massive decline in the church....Have you been to a church lately....mostly full of people in their 70's and some odd young people. The church could be dead in 30 years dying and starving often fills the churches. Its a mistake to suggest religion is all about churches though. We all believe in something...just wonder how we can make money out of this belief, How many other Governments have decided that religion is bad for them...and survived? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCountOfNowhere Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 (edited) dying and starving often fills the churches. Possibly, when you can't afford electricity for the 42 inch advert machine in the corner of your room then you might turn to the church. Its a mistake to suggest religion is all about churches though. The church and god are 2 different things. If there is a god then I am pretty certain he would be appauled at how churched/organised religion work and run. We all believe in something...just wonder how we can make money out of this belief, No we don't. Hope and belief are two different things. How many other Governments have decided that religion is bad for them...and survived? Dunno, how many ? Edited September 17, 2012 by TheCountOfNowhere Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@contradevian Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 I don't see there being a next big thing at the mo...unless someone invents free energy ( tax free ? ), personal levitation devices, or cheap inter-planetary transport. All that I can see being left is...knock it down and start again....i.e. WAR. Let's hope we loose this time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCountOfNowhere Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 That would explain this: http://www.wndc.org.uk/northampton/discover-northamptons-enterprise-zone/ "Discover Northampton’s Enterprise Zone" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruffneck Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 Too little too late.They could have turned it around as late as 2000 without a great depression like crash but it is now inevitable.This is window dressing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloo Loo Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 its 3D printing...of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tuberider Posted September 17, 2012 Author Share Posted September 17, 2012 This crisis will not go on forever. It will pass, one way or the other. People will still need food, shelter, clothing and machines to do stuff for them - and there will be a release of pent-up demand once things reset. These things will all have to be made somewhere. China has proved that it is only good for making low quality tat - they simply do not have the mindset to produce quality goods like the Japanese or the Germans (or the yanks for that matter). It's inside the people. America used to make some great products and they will again. The wheel turns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloo Loo Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 This crisis will not go on forever. It will pass, one way or the other. People will still need food, shelter, clothing and machines to do stuff for them - and there will be a release of pent-up demand once things reset. These things will all have to be made somewhere. China has proved that it is only good for making low quality tat - they simply do not have the mindset to produce quality goods like the Japanese or the Germans (or the yanks for that matter). It's inside the people. America used to make some great products and they will again. The wheel turns. you assume there will still BE people needing stuff. Chinese are rioting and destroying Japanese goods as I write this....DEMANDING WAR with Japan. Maybe a good cheap to produce tank like the T34 would be a good place to start. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tuberider Posted September 17, 2012 Author Share Posted September 17, 2012 you assume there will still BE people needing stuff. Chinese are rioting and destroying Japanese goods as I write this....DEMANDING WAR with Japan. Maybe a good cheap to produce tank like the T34 would be a good place to start. There will always be war and rumours of wars. Some people have always preached that the end of the world is just around the corner. You can't think like that, just gotta crack on with life mate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Errol Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 (edited) This crisis will not go on forever. It will pass, one way or the other. People will still need food, shelter, clothing and machines to do stuff for them - and there will be a release of pent-up demand once things reset. These things will all have to be made somewhere. China has proved that it is only good for making low quality tat - they simply do not have the mindset to produce quality goods like the Japanese or the Germans (or the yanks for that matter). It's inside the people. America used to make some great products and they will again. The wheel turns. Indeed, but everything you speak of will only happen after the complete collapse of the current financial system, the removal of the Dollar from reserve currency status, the death of most large banks etc etc etc. Edited September 17, 2012 by Errol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tuberider Posted September 17, 2012 Author Share Posted September 17, 2012 Indeed, but everything you speak of will only happen after the complete collapse of the current financial system, the removal of the Dollar from reserve currency status, the death of most large banks etc etc etc. Oh that's coming as well, right sorry I forgot. Like the house price crash that was supposed to happen 6 years ago that you are all still convinced is just around the corner. Riiiiiight... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmf Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 Indeed, but everything you speak of will only happen after the complete collapse of the current financial system, the removal of the Dollar from reserve currency status, the death of most large banks etc etc etc. Also it depends where you are in the world. In China 1000 years ago there was doubtless some guy who said, in Chinese: "it's all cyclical". That person would have been right, but he died 950 years before the start of the next cycle in China. The same guy in Iran is still waiting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Errol Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 Removal of the dollar is happening far more quickly than people realise. You only have to look at all the recent trade/currency deals - between Russian/China, China/Germany, China/Brazil etc etc. People are moving away for using the dollar as a medium for trade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Errol Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 Empire Manufacturing Index Prints At Lowest Since April 2009 The Index print confirmed the biggest 6 month drop since records began http://www.zerohedge.com/news/empire-manufacturing-index-prints-lowest-april-2009 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wonderpup Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 Modern manufacturing is not that labour intensive anyway- so even if they bring it back home they won't solve the demand problem. Unless they find a way to manufacture customers with money to spend. Also all that lovely cheap money that Benny boy is handing out to 'create jobs' makes capital investment in labour saving technology cheaper than ever. I love it when a plan comes together Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuckmojo Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 Modern manufacturing is not that labour intensive anyway- so even if they bring it back home they won't solve the demand problem. Unless they find a way to manufacture customers with money to spend. Also all that lovely cheap money that Benny boy is handing out to 'create jobs' makes capital investment in labour saving technology cheaper than ever. I love it when a plan comes together Which is why Jim O'Neill (of Goldman Squid) insists that a huge population with high birth rates is the fuel for economic growth (the BRICS theory, isn't it? ). 1bn poor people are better than 60m not so poor people from his Vampiric point of view. More cows to milk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
okaycuckoo Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 Modern manufacturing is not that labour intensive anyway- so even if they bring it back home they won't solve the demand problem. Unless they find a way to manufacture customers with money to spend. Also all that lovely cheap money that Benny boy is handing out to 'create jobs' makes capital investment in labour saving technology cheaper than ever. I love it when a plan comes together Spot on. The US needs to sell beyond its borders to .... Plus the UK is full of talk about exporting to .... ... China! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saberu Posted September 18, 2012 Share Posted September 18, 2012 Spot on. The US needs to sell beyond its borders to .... Plus the UK is full of talk about exporting to .... ... China! There would be a lot more exporting to China without their 100% import tax on almost all imported products. There is a lot of wealth here, even with the tax there's a significant amount imported. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
U235 Posted September 18, 2012 Share Posted September 18, 2012 Is Apple producing the Iphone in the US? It's pretty interesting that the main system-on-chip in the iPhone is manufactured in Texas by Samsung. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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