interestrateripoff Posted May 6, 2011 Share Posted May 6, 2011 http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/pakistan/8497813/Osama-bin-Laden-death-al-Qaeda-leader-killed-after-he-retreated-into-his-room.html New details of the al-Qaeda leader's final moments revealed that Navy Seals shot at bin Laden when as he stood by the doorway of his room.He subsequently retreated back inside, a move which was assessed to be an “act of resistance”. He was shot twice in the head and once in the chest. The new version of the raid emerged from intelligence briefings in the US. Senator Saxby Chambliss, a member of the senate intelligence committee, said: "They blew the door open, and they looked down the hallway and he stuck his head out of the room that he was in, and saw them, and ducked back in. They fired a shot, and missed him the first time and then went to the room. And that’s when they killed him. "You have to remember is that this was pitch dark. When they got into the room with bin Laden, they already had to go through some other folks downstairs, two of which they killed. And they were having to use explosives to blow doors open. By the time they got to him, they didn’t know what they would find. "They did in fact find an AK-47 and a pistol in bin Laden’s room. Whether he was making any move to get to that is not clear. But taking him down in pitch-dark conditions was the right thing to do." Of course you have to remember is was pitch black and the Seals will have been wearing night vision so could actually see everything pretty well..... Now they say they found a gun. Now because you've been changing the story continuously people may be a little sceptical of this. He had the gun where? In a cupboard? It would appear even the press have got fed up with it judging by the tone in the article over Bin Laden fleeing being shot and that subsequently being seen as an act of aggression. I'm pretty certain that most people if being shot at will probably flee rather than holding their ground and standing in a doorway. I do find it all a bit strange that he's supposedly living in a heavily guarded compound and yet apart from 1 person firing back the fight appears to have been very one sided with little resistance. The Seals shot there way in, surely there would have been a lot of noise and commotion during which Bin Laden doesn't grab the gun that's in his room and go out in a blaze of glory resisting the infidels. Perhaps Bin Laden really wasn't the battle hardened terrorist as he was portrayed in the media and didn't have any ideas what to do with a gun? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
athom Posted May 6, 2011 Share Posted May 6, 2011 It would appear even the press have got fed up with it judging by the tone in the article over Bin Laden fleeing being shot and that subsequently being seen as an act of aggression. I'm pretty certain that most people if being shot at will probably flee rather than holding their ground and standing in a doorway. retreat is attack! Maybe it works like that in american football or something. I do find it all a bit strange that he's supposedly living in a heavily guarded compound and yet apart from 1 person firing back*allegedly* the fight appears to have been very one sided with little resistance. The Seals shot there way in, surely there would have been a lot of noise and commotion during which Bin Laden doesn't grab the gun that's in his room and go out in a blaze of glory resisting the infidels. Perhaps Bin Laden really wasn't the battle hardened terrorist as he was portrayed in the media and didn't have any ideas what to do with a gun? There's that bit of video of him kneeling down firing an AK47 so like nearly everyone in the middle east, and the USA, he knows how to fire a gun. So why didn't he fire back? I think he must have heard them coming. 3 choppers came, one crashed which is usually a little noisy on a quiet night, they had a small gun battle, they ran "through" people, his family members, who probably objected quite loudly, they blew doors off with explosives, and after all this he comes to the door without either of the guns in his room. It just gets less and less plausible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
interestrateripoff Posted May 6, 2011 Share Posted May 6, 2011 There's that bit of video of him kneeling down firing an AK47 so like nearly everyone in the middle east, and the USA, he knows how to fire a gun. So why didn't he fire back? I think he must have heard them coming. 3 choppers came, one crashed which is usually a little noisy on a quiet night, they had a small gun battle, they ran "through" people, his family members, who probably objected quite loudly, they blew doors off with explosives, and after all this he comes to the door without either of the guns in his room. It just gets less and less plausible. Yep the whole story the more you think about sounds nuts, the worlds most wanted man protected by 3 or 4 people. That only makes sense if Pakistan was actively protecting him and he felt confident they wouldn't betray him. However that would mean Pakistan gave him up and was heavily involved in the mission. Although if Pakistan was involved and Bin Laden didn't have lots of guards as the Pakistan army was providing cover, it still doesn't explain why he didn't wake up and shoot back. One scenario that would fit the chain of events is that the Americans had walked in several hours before, killed him and then flew in the helicopters to make lots of noise to create the cover story it being a helicopter raid. I wonder how the SAS would have done the mission, would they have gone in with helicopters or a night parachute drop, or simply drive up to the area? Or course the other scenario is he's been dead for years, or rather this being a kill mission it was really an extraction mission and the US got their number one agent out alive. Although that sounds just as crazy as what's currently going on with constantly changing mission stories. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wahoo Posted May 6, 2011 Share Posted May 6, 2011 Yep the whole story the more you think about sounds nuts, the worlds most wanted man protected by 3 or 4 people. That only makes sense if Pakistan was actively protecting him and he felt confident they wouldn't betray him. However that would mean Pakistan gave him up and was heavily involved in the mission. Although if Pakistan was involved and Bin Laden didn't have lots of guards as the Pakistan army was providing cover, it still doesn't explain why he didn't wake up and shoot back. One scenario that would fit the chain of events is that the Americans had walked in several hours before, killed him and then flew in the helicopters to make lots of noise to create the cover story it being a helicopter raid. I wonder how the SAS would have done the mission, would they have gone in with helicopters or a night parachute drop, or simply drive up to the area? Or course the other scenario is he's been dead for years, or rather this being a kill mission it was really an extraction mission and the US got their number one agent out alive. Although that sounds just as crazy as what's currently going on with constantly changing mission stories. The more you analyse it, the more it seems less plausable. If the Americans had killed him, they would have released photos. That's how they do things. No photo and no body.....just doesn't add up. I suspect the whole terrorist organisation doesn't really exist as a complete entity. It never did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Masked Tulip Posted May 6, 2011 Share Posted May 6, 2011 Guess he is having the last laugh with his 72 virgins right now. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5j0XxAtmeYQ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Number79 Posted May 7, 2011 Share Posted May 7, 2011 So the chopper hit flies in all the way to abbottabad and then returns to the carrier USS Carl Vinson where they throw OBL's carcass in the arabian sea? What do you guys reckon the range of one of those little helicopters is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
athom Posted May 7, 2011 Share Posted May 7, 2011 What do you guys reckon the range of one of those little helicopters is? what, in the real world? Or in the world of make believe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Number79 Posted May 7, 2011 Share Posted May 7, 2011 Thats the tail rotor fins, which another newspaper suggested is a sort of stealth helicopter judging by the design of the fins which suggest they are quieter blades than normal. I would expect these helicopters would have had to have refuelled somewhere as its about 500/600miles from ship to compound as well. Someone probably saw something. That isnt tail rotor fins that is a complete aircraft. I have no idea what the range of it is but am damn sure that it isnt the 1100+k's between the compound and the carrier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
athom Posted May 7, 2011 Share Posted May 7, 2011 That isnt tail rotor fins that is a complete aircraft. did they have to chop him up before they could fit him in then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Number79 Posted May 7, 2011 Share Posted May 7, 2011 did they have to chop him up before they could fit him in then? I read something proposing that rather than being the tail section that this is the complete aircraft, a single man stealth job or maybe 2 man at best. Looking at the pics again I think that is probably quite wrong and that the given story is likely true. Either way, 1100k's one way is a long flight for a helicopter and 2200k's round trip is even longer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
athom Posted May 7, 2011 Share Posted May 7, 2011 it looks like the underside of the tail section to me. Funny how the pakers have taken it away and are refusing to give the yanks their ball back, international school yard diplomacy at it's best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
interestrateripoff Posted May 7, 2011 Share Posted May 7, 2011 One other thing, considering he is the head of AQ, why not take him in for an all expenses paid holiday camp in Cuba? I'm sure they could find out lots more info straight from the horses mouth! The other alternative is perhaps they have taken him alive and he is somewhere secret being interrogated, with the cover story that he's dead. Which also had the advantage that you won't get any lawyers getting involved objecting to any torture methods and you won't need a trial therefore his disposal is rather straight forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
athom Posted May 7, 2011 Share Posted May 7, 2011 We'll probably be seeing a story like this in a few years time. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-12266973 those special forces aren't very special if they can't get over a wall to blow up both parts. Beaten by a wall. It's like kryptonite to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
athom Posted May 7, 2011 Share Posted May 7, 2011 not saying there's no armed resistance out there, or that there is no reason for people to bitterly hate western foreign policy, but there is no organization as such. Not like say the Real IRA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrMartinSanchez Posted May 7, 2011 Share Posted May 7, 2011 Only question I have, is can a helicopter steer itself if it loses it tail rotor? No it can't. Without its tail rotor, a helicopter becomes completely unstable and crashes. Video here: http://www.break.com/index/helicopter-loses-tail-rotor-and-crashes.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Number79 Posted May 7, 2011 Share Posted May 7, 2011 http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=7365084n Only question I have, is can a helicopter steer itself if it loses it tail rotor? no but looking at how low that compound wall is they would have been able to dump it on the ground quickly with luck - which it appears they had. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrMartinSanchez Posted May 7, 2011 Share Posted May 7, 2011 So the next questions is, wheres the rest of the helicopter then? http://edition.cnn.com/2011/US/05/06/bin.laden.helicopter/ The SEALs were able to destroy much of the main body of the helicopter when it became clear it couldn't fly. But the tail rotor assembly came down on the other side of the compound wall and was left largely intact deep inside Pakistan when the SEALs finished their mission. Pakistani troops were seen hauling the wreckage away on trucks covered with tarps. The Department of Defense, which would not comment about any speculation about a "stealth helicopter," also wouldn't say whether it's asked Pakistan to give the wreckage back to the United States. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrMartinSanchez Posted May 7, 2011 Share Posted May 7, 2011 Bin Laden videos were found at his Pakistani home. The White House just released them: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1384573/Osama-Bin-Ladens-squalid-hideaway-pictures.html But the U.S. is bracing itself for retaliation following the assissination with the Taliban in Afghanistan warning that Bin Laden's death will only boost morale of insurgents battling the U.S. and its NATO allies. Assissinated? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thombleached Posted May 7, 2011 Share Posted May 7, 2011 Bin Laden videos were found at his Pakistani home. The White House just released them: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1384573/Osama-Bin-Ladens-squalid-hideaway-pictures.html Assissinated? No mention of the Market value of his abode. Must try harder DM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrMartinSanchez Posted May 7, 2011 Share Posted May 7, 2011 No mention of the Market value of his abode. Must try harder DM. Was this sarcasm? Key points at the beginning of the article: - House worth no more than $250,000 say experts Under the 1st building pic: Worth $250,000: The Bin Laden compound in Abbottabad in Pakistan was said to be worth $1 million. But local experts put the figure much lower, and footage shows it in a run-down state Final paragraphs: Meanwhile, the house - which the U.S. government described as as a $1m mansion in an 'extraordinarily unique compound' in an 'affluent suburb' - is in fact worth no more than $250,000 say local experts. [...] Two property professionals in Abbottabad said that - based on the size of the plot and the house, which was built in 2005, and using recent property sales as a guide - it was worth a quarter of the original estimate at best. 'Twenty million rupees, maximum,' said property dealer Muhammad Anwar, a 22-year veteran of the local market, at his Abbottabad office. 'No swimming pool. This is not a posh area. We call it a middling area.' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Britney's Piers Posted May 7, 2011 Share Posted May 7, 2011 Is that "The Command Centre"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNACR Posted May 7, 2011 Share Posted May 7, 2011 Is that "The Command Centre"? It may look like he's changing the channel but that remote control is actually to open a trapdoor under where Number 2 is sat who has incurred his displeasure by having sudden moral qualms over their latest sinister plans for world domination. Edit to add: He is also in a foul mood because some local children have stolen his treasured pet rabbit 'Mr Bigglesworth' Also, more humiliation for the FBI whose profile of Bin Laden stated he was left-handed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinker Posted May 7, 2011 Share Posted May 7, 2011 Command Centre OBL's talents were wasted, he should have been running a bank. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Britney's Piers Posted May 7, 2011 Share Posted May 7, 2011 This is getting soooo stupid now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinker Posted May 7, 2011 Share Posted May 7, 2011 Infowars? They only have to convince the 'majority' and they are home and dry. Those that don't believe are nutters and unpatriotic. Same with any State manufactured nonsense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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