council dweller Posted October 18, 2010 Share Posted October 18, 2010 I wonder if this will have an effect on the "Right to buy" Well, they were talking about an 'improved RTB' before the election.....is this what you mean? Anyway, looks like Housing Associations are going to be hard hit with a cut of up to 80% of building grants. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Si1 Posted October 18, 2010 Share Posted October 18, 2010 (edited) Not you Still paying more in rent than you could be paying mortgage are we ? so you have no basis. nice of you to be clear about that - Mister. 'I can't add up or work out yields but it never bothered me (or do grammar for that matter)' jeeez why are bulls so **dumb** !!! Edited October 18, 2010 by Si1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geordieskin Posted October 18, 2010 Share Posted October 18, 2010 Not sure what they mean, a few years ago I was informed by my council that rents were to go up by the maximum allowed to try and bring them into line with private rents. But i was not to worry as 2/3 of tennants had their rent paid by benefits so they would not lose out. So raising rents will cost more, not less, at least round here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miko Posted October 18, 2010 Share Posted October 18, 2010 so you have no basis. nice of you to be clear about that. Basis for what taking the p-ss out of you ? Only need to look around to see how rent's in both the public and private sector have gone up . Same thing as back in 1997 when you started paying all that money in rent when you could have bought for half the price . I looked about at the rent's and the cost's of buying , saw the FTB's skipping over the flats and moving straight into 3 bed semis as the cost's to buy had got so cheap . So i bought you rented , did not need a chart to see that don't need one now to know that rent's have gone up in the last 30 years as social housing budget's have been cut. Life can be painfull can it not lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miko Posted October 18, 2010 Share Posted October 18, 2010 so you have no basis. nice of you to be clear about that - Mister. 'I can't add up or work out yields but it never bothered me (or do grammar for that matter)' jeeez why are bulls so **dumb** !!! Yes be the first to admit my spelling and grammer is not good , but numbers is my thing . What has yields or spelling or grammer got to do with throwing away more money on rent than the cost of buying over the last 13 years , oh and what has it got to do with paying that rising rent for ever and a day or having an owned outright home? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scuuzeme Posted October 18, 2010 Share Posted October 18, 2010 They are talking about this on R5live at the mo. Some chap has telphoned in said rents are too high so he lives in a horsebox. I knew a guy who did that last year. The horsebox got repossessed! Seriously. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Si1 Posted October 18, 2010 Share Posted October 18, 2010 (edited) Basis for what taking the p-ss out of you ? Only need to look around to see how rent's in both the public and private sector have gone up . Same thing as back in 1997 when you started paying all that money in rent when you could have bought for half the price . I looked about at the rent's and the cost's of buying , saw the FTB's skipping over the flats and moving straight into 3 bed semis as the cost's to buy had got so cheap . So i bought you rented , of course 1997 was a good year to buy you total sh*t for brains I had student debts, essential car finance and no supportive family to help d*ckhead did not need a chart to see that don't need one now to know that rent's have gone up in the last 30 years as social housing budget's have been cut. you are one seriously thick fool, inflation is just something you put in your loft I imagine the overwhelming social support to rents has been unchecked housing benefits that have rocketed over the past decade. Edited October 18, 2010 by Si1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Number79 Posted October 18, 2010 Share Posted October 18, 2010 , inflation is just something you put in your loft I imagine I will get to use that, a lot, cheers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Si1 Posted October 18, 2010 Share Posted October 18, 2010 Yes be the first to admit my spelling and grammer is not good , fair enough but numbers is my thing . really, no, I don't think numbers IS your thing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
council dweller Posted October 18, 2010 Share Posted October 18, 2010 Not sure what they mean, a few years ago I was informed by my council that rents were to go up by the maximum allowed to try and bring them into line with private rents. But i was not to worry as 2/3 of tennants had their rent paid by benefits so they would not lose out. So raising rents will cost more, not less, at least round here. Yes, that's how it's been under Nulab, most peoples rents have been paid for by full or partial HB so only those tenants who are not on benefits have suffered from these rent rises. It looks like the Tories will replace HB (etc.) with Universal Credit ...looks like a new ball game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thecrashingisles Posted October 18, 2010 Share Posted October 18, 2010 They are talking about this on R5live at the mo. Some chap has telphoned in said rents are too high so he lives in a horsebox. The Queen should really stop being so mean to Fergie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Number79 Posted October 18, 2010 Share Posted October 18, 2010 Dream on The more the social housing budget's have been reduced over the last 30 years the more rent's in both the public and private sector have gone up. So HB has not helped keep rents high under liebour then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Number79 Posted October 18, 2010 Share Posted October 18, 2010 The Queen should really stop being so mean to Fergie. I thought she shared a trailer with kermit the frog? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Si1 Posted October 18, 2010 Share Posted October 18, 2010 I thought she shared a trailer with kermit the frog? comeon that's no way to describe Ms. Alsop Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Si1 Posted October 18, 2010 Share Posted October 18, 2010 (edited) more realistically - they know that an awful lot of small flats have been built in towns and cities around the country that should provide ample immediate private sector rented accomodation, and that REIT property companies, once house prices fall to give a passable yield, should have the potential to provide long term residential lettings accomodation, if planning laws become more accomodative - h*ll I'd happily invest in them myself when the market is right. Edited October 18, 2010 by Si1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laughing Gnome Posted October 18, 2010 Share Posted October 18, 2010 Absolutely inevitable. There is no money to provide subsidised housing anymore. And not likely to ever be so again. It wont be long before BTL is encouraged again and seen as a socially acceptable thing to do, to house the population. I wish people would get itt hrough their heads that council housing IS NOT SUBSIDISED. The Housing Revenue Account (HRA) is ring fenced by law, so council tax payers cannot subsidise council housing, neither can council housing revenue subsidise the town. The HRA rules are also incredibly complicated, the net effect being that councils cannot set their rents or retain their profits to expand the housing stock. Unfortunately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jones87 Posted October 18, 2010 Share Posted October 18, 2010 (edited) jones87, on 18 October 2010 - 10:33 PM, said: My understanding at the moment is Housing Benefit is for life once it has been applied for?For example, on the dole, H/B pays for your 2 bed flat with no council tax, even if you lose the dole you still live rent & council tax free??? I don't think so, do you have a link? I may be wrong: http://www.walsall.gov.uk/index/community_and_living/benefits/housing_benefit_faq.htm#8009 How long is housing benefit paid for? Housing benefit will be awarded for as long as entitlement remains. From time to time we will need to confirm certain details of your claim and we will contact you where this is necessary or we may arrange to visit you. AND http://www.adviceguide.org.uk/EN/wales/life/benefits/help_with_your_rent_-_housing_benefit.htm#who_can_get_housing_benefit How long is Housing Benefit paid for? Generally, once you start getting Housing Benefit payment can continue indefinitely. Housing benefit only has to stop if you are no longer entitled to it. Edited October 18, 2010 by jones87 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Si1 Posted October 18, 2010 Share Posted October 18, 2010 (edited) jones87, on 18 October 2010 - 10:33 PM, said: I may be wrong: http://www.walsall.g...it_faq.htm#8009 How long is housing benefit paid for? Housing benefit will be awarded for as long as entitlement remains. From time to time we will need to confirm certain details of your claim and we will contact you where this is necessary or we may arrange to visit you. that does imply that you would need an income from somewhere on top of housing benefit, just to eat - and if that is a normal above-board jobm then you lose HB...? Edited October 18, 2010 by Si1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laughing Gnome Posted October 18, 2010 Share Posted October 18, 2010 I agree, social housing should be a safety net, not a lifestyle choice. Why ever not? If someone is happy to rent for life, provided the tenancy is secure and the rent subject to democratic oversight, then surely that's a good thing. And in case you are under a mis-aprehension, COUNCIL HOUSING IS NOT SUBSIDISED! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Si1 Posted October 18, 2010 Share Posted October 18, 2010 (edited) Why ever not? If someone is happy to rent for life, provided the tenancy is secure and the rent subject to democratic oversight, then surely that's a good thing. And in case you are under a mis-aprehension, COUNCIL HOUSING IS NOT SUBSIDISED! I suspect we have crossed-purposes here - I read 'What' s post as referring to life-long housing benefits (which seem to take place in social housing estates), whereas I read yours as referring to social housing paid for by the tennant Edited October 18, 2010 by Si1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theonlywayisdown Posted October 18, 2010 Share Posted October 18, 2010 wow, bold move by the coalition! So little info on the bbc news website right now, but I wouldn't put it past this government to make the changes to all those in council houses, not just future applicants! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Si1 Posted October 18, 2010 Share Posted October 18, 2010 wow, bold move by the coalition! So little info on the bbc news website right now, but I wouldn't put it past this government to make the changes to all those in council houses, not just future applicants! I think we need to clarify whether 'social housing budget' means (1) total amount of money allocated to Housing Benefits (or future equivalent portion of rent support) or (2) council house and/or housing assoc building Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scuuzeme Posted October 18, 2010 Share Posted October 18, 2010 The HRA rules are also incredibly complicated, the net effect being that councils cannot set their rents or retain their profits to expand the housing stock. Unfortunately. Is that not what they are changing? The article seemed to suggest that rents would increase in order to fund an expansion of the housing stock. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Si1 Posted October 18, 2010 Share Posted October 18, 2010 (edited) Is that not what they are changing? The article seemed to suggest that rents would increase in order to fund an expansion of the housing stock. ok... Tenants will be charged nearer the going market rate, to release cash for the building programme. in the near-term I can't see them having the pricing power, I expect rents to stay flat or fall for forseeable also, with such transparent market-pricing and capital accumulation, councils will need a unique selling point or two to not simply hive all this job off to private investment firms Edited October 18, 2010 by Si1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scuuzeme Posted October 18, 2010 Share Posted October 18, 2010 I think we need to clarify whether 'social housing budget' means (1) total amount of money allocated to Housing Benefits (or future equivalent portion of rent support) or (2) council house and/or housing assoc building This whole thread seems to be more than a little unclear on that point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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