Correct Me If I'm Wrong But Civil Certains Dont Pay Tax...

[TheCountOfNowhere]

Civil servant on 30K say.

Probably losses a third of that to tax and NI, say.

So they pay the government 10K.

Maybe another 2K for pension contributions, making about 12K.

So they take home 18K.

But wait...that's 6 K more than they have paid into the pot, they arent even covering their own costs.

In reality the blighters dont actually pay tax or pension contributions but seem to do very well of the rest of our backs !!!

How long can the people with real jobs support the 50% without ?

[Executive Sadman]

Not sure how long, but Mr. Denninger thinks less than 10 years in the case of the US. Probably not as long here.

[hilltop]

This does not really deserve a reply because you are missing a major part of the process - Civil Servants contribute to our national capital and wealth.

Without the sterling work done by oor Public Servants the glue would be removed from our society and economy.

You really do not want the reality of anarchy, the private sector would replace the public sector at the point of a gun.

It is fanciful to believe that there is an alternative. The Civil Service do a good job and deserve a good wage.

[Mal Volio]

But wait...that's 6 K more than they have paid into the pot, they arent even covering their own costs.

Unless you're going to require people to pay to be civil servants, that must always be the case, mustn't it ?

[Muphex]

This does not really deserve a reply because you are missing a major part of the process - Civil Servants contribute to our national capital and wealth.

Without the sterling work done by oor Public Servants the glue would be removed from our society and economy.

Hang on I think I just shat my teeth through laughing so hard. 50% of the public sector could go overnight, the sooner it is run with the efficiency of a business the better for all.

[Jim B.]

This does not really deserve a reply because you are missing a major part of the process - Civil Servants contribute to our national capital and wealth.

Without the sterling work done by oor Public Servants the glue would be removed from our society and economy.

You really do not want the reality of anarchy, the private sector would replace the public sector at the point of a gun.

It is fanciful to believe that there is an alternative. The Civil Service do a good job and deserve a good wage.

+1.

The people moaning about civil servants would be the first to complain if they had to wait a long time for some paperwork from the government. Most do very valuable jobs. Mine contributes to international trade and some businesses in the UK wouldn't be able to keep going without it.

There is more waste in my experience in the private sector.

[non frog]

... the sooner it is run with the efficiency of a business the better for all.

Ah yes. Private sector companies like RBS or Lloyds - they would show us the way wouldn't they? No waste there -just private sector skills and performance that make Britain great.

PMSL.

[Executive Sadman]

There is more waste in my experience in the private sector.

Sure, but its waste that people generally willingly pay for. Id rather not pay for celebrity TV advertisements, but if their cheaper than the competition, will do anyway. I cant much choose not to pay council tax, income tax and do on, or at least choose a private sector supplier.

Tax is theft and all that.

Actually i dont mind tax, its all the voodoo deficit spending that the BBC invariably ignore and call growth that drives me to the point of insanity.

[Si1]

Ah yes. Private sector companies like RBS or Lloyds - they would show us the way wouldn't they? No waste there -just private sector skills and performance that make Britain great.

PMSL.

...allowed to avoid capital regulation by civil servants, god bless em and thank them for the boom

[InternationalRockSuperstar]

Civil Servants contribute to our national capital and wealth.

oh dear...

[InternationalRockSuperstar]

Ah yes. Private sector companies like RBS or Lloyds - they would show us the way wouldn't they? No waste there -just private sector skills and performance that make Britain great.

PMSL.

the private sector has already firmly rejected RBS and Lloyds as viable businesses.

only the state is willing to entertain such utter sh1te.

[Coolfonz]

but i thought the private sector was superior. either it is - and what it is doing now is right ipso facto - or it cant compete.

Edited September 16, 2009 by Coolfonz

[InternationalRockSuperstar]

The people moaning about civil servants would be the first to complain if they had to wait a long time for some paperwork from the government.

why the f*** would I want some paperwork from the gov't?

Mine interferes in international trade

fixed.

and some businesses in the UK wouldn't be able to keep going without it.

i.e. they're unviable businesses kept afloat at the tax-payers' expense.

[macca]

Well if they don't pay tax then good luck to them because paying tax is for suckers and doesn't achieve anything in the UK apart from bailing out private industry.

[macca]

Civil Certain?

[Meerkat]

This does not really deserve a reply because you are missing a major part of the process - Civil Servants contribute to our national capital and wealth.

Without the sterling work done by oor Public Servants the glue would be removed from our society and economy.

You really do not want the reality of anarchy, the private sector would replace the public sector at the point of a gun.

It is fanciful to believe that there is an alternative. The Civil Service do a good job and deserve a good wage.

Is this sarcasm :blink? Probably and unfortunately not. While there are anarchists here who would fully disagree with you, the choice is not limited between anarchy and totalitarian (or socialist) state. There is also a possibility of drastically limiting the area of the state interference and reducing it to the maintenance of courts, law and public security in the direct sense of this word to defend the functioning of free markets. Economy should be no business of state as it only misallocates and wastes economic resources.

The comments of another poster claiming his instrumental role in international trade as a government servant beggar belief: that role has been purely created out of thin air as a consequence of state intervention with international trade: not only does this intervention cripple economies worldwide, it also requires productive private sector to pay salaries to these servants that do a non-job in the best case scenario.

Economy and monetary system as well as welfare system are some of the major areas where there should be no state intervention as the private sector can always do better (cheaper).

[pl1]

This does not really deserve a reply because you are missing a major part of the process - Civil Servants contribute to our national capital and wealth.

Just a shame they don't work on f*cking Monday's:

http://m.democracyforum.co.uk/british-gove...ie-culture.html

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/he...oar-531721.html

Edited September 16, 2009 by pl1

[GBdamo]

Civil servant on 30K say.

Probably losses a third of that to tax and NI, say.

So they pay the government 10K.

Maybe another 2K for pension contributions, making about 12K.

So they take home 18K.

But wait...that's 6 K more than they have paid into the pot, they arent even covering their own costs.

In reality the blighters dont actually pay tax or pension contributions but seem to do very well of the rest of our backs !!!

How long can the people with real jobs support the 50% without ?

Priceless

[TheCountOfNowhere]

Are there any civil servants here today ?

I'm not saying we dont need them. Clearly we do, well some anyway.

But 50% of the work force is having a laugh.

That means 50% of the working population pay no tax or pension contributions but still take take take.

I think 10-15% would be a healthier number.

The other 35% should have to work for their money like the rest of us.

I dont really want to hear some tax funded egyt telling me how hard they work etc etc, i'm up at 5 a.m. every day, travel 60 miles to work, work 12 hours flat out, travel 60 miles back home and I still have to do my accounts etc at the weekend. I pay a s**t load of tax, get no pension and I personally feel like im funding a bunch of lazy money grabbing leeches.

*** rant over....no wait a minute...dont even start me on the dole spongers...and relax...rant over ****

Edited September 16, 2009 by TheCountOfNowhere

[okaycuckoo]

+1.

The people moaning about civil servants would be the first to complain if they had to wait a long time for some paperwork from the government. Most do very valuable jobs. Mine contributes to international trade and some businesses in the UK wouldn't be able to keep going without it.

There is more waste in my experience in the private sector.

There's an insight from the doomed. Case of petitio principi - begging the question.

Waiting for paperwork from government if civil servants are sacked?

I don't have a gun, but I'm sure I can get one. Would be a good investment of my hard earned.

[BufferBear Bitcoin Bull]

Are there any civil servants here today ?

I'm not saying we dont need them. Clearly we do, well some anyway.

But 50% of the work force is having a laugh.

That means 50% of the working population pay no tax or pension contributions but still take take take.

I think 10-15% would be a healthier number.

The other 35% should have to work for their money like the rest of us.

I dont really want to hear some tax funded egyt telling me how hard they work etc etc, i'm up at 5 a.m. every day, travel 60 miles to work, work 12 hours flat out, travel 60 miles back home and I still have to do my accounts etc at the weekend. I pay a s**t load of tax, get no pension and I personally feel like im funding a bunch of lazy money grabbing leeches.

*** rant over....no wait a minute...dont even start me on the dole spongers...and relax...rant over ****

Well get a job in the public sector like me. I hear they are continuing to recruit despite the downturn....

[stormymonday_2011]

Civil servant on 30K say.

Probably losses a third of that to tax and NI, say.

So they pay the government 10K.

Maybe another 2K for pension contributions, making about 12K.

So they take home 18K.

But wait...that's 6 K more than they have paid into the pot, they arent even covering their own costs.

In reality the blighters dont actually pay tax or pension contributions but seem to do very well of the rest of our backs !!!

How long can the people with real jobs support the 50% without ?

Whats a 'real job' ?

[europbaron]

Civil servant on 30K say.

Probably losses a third of that to tax and NI, say.

So they pay the government 10K.

Maybe another 2K for pension contributions, making about 12K.

So they take home 18K.

But wait...that's 6 K more than they have paid into the pot, they arent even covering their own costs.

In reality the blighters dont actually pay tax or pension contributions but seem to do very well of the rest of our backs !!!

How long can the people with real jobs support the 50% without ?

There's a simple solution to this.

Pay public sector workers 45K, but make the total deductions 25K.

Then they take home 20K (a net 2K pay rise), and it's 5K less than they pay into the system, covering their costs with a surplus.

Bingo - everyone's happy and the public sector becomes profitable

[barrabus]

There's a simple solution to this.

Pay public sector workers 45K, but make the total deductions 25K.

Then they take home 20K (a net 2K pay rise), and it's 5K less than they pay into the system, covering their costs with a surplus.

Bingo - everyone's happy and the public sector becomes profitable

In Browns Britain that would sound like good accounting.

[pete.hpc]

If even the dear leader says that 10% of the civil service can go overnight, who else is going to stick up for the hideous, bloated mess it has become?