Charlie Don't Surf Posted May 12, 2009 Share Posted May 12, 2009 I just don't get what the big deal is. The amounts of money we are talking about is an absolute pittance compared to how much these fools waste every day on the likes of NHS consultants and phony wars. We all know MPs aren't saints so why would we expect them not to embellish their expenses. Every other employee in every other industry does. Nope, this is all another enrage the sheeple, diversionary story. Wake up and look at the bigger picture if you want to see real corruption Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hairy Posted May 12, 2009 Share Posted May 12, 2009 I just don't get what the big deal is. The amounts of money we are talking about is an absolute pittance compared to how much these fools waste every day on the likes of NHS consultants and phony wars.We all know MPs aren't saints so why would we expect them not to embellish their expenses. Every other employee in every other industry does. Nope, this is all another enrage the sheeple, diversionary story. Wake up and look at the bigger picture if you want to see real corruption I think it is a cracking smoke screen for the real ills at the heart of parliament and governance to be honest. Politician in snout in trough is hardly big news; it’s not like we didn’t know. I have known for years about their generous allowances as we have an MP in the family and I think he’s as bent as they come (despite being ‘left wing’). Next well hear most of them have lucrative second jobs which they use their parliamentary power to aid this with. Honestly, if you really think this is not old news, I am shocked. As I said elsewhere, how about concentrating on the actual crimes this government has committed rather than an expenses system they have milked. I think, not for once, that Tebbit is right and that we should not vote for a central party at the next elections to register our displeasure. I have just noticed that rank and file MP’s are lining up to repay their ludicrous expense claims as an act of contrition. Get rid of the whole system of parliament as it stands. It will be interesting to see how they can now force extra taxes on us with a straight face mind you; I am interested in how long this stays in the public consciousness… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
interestrateripoff Posted May 12, 2009 Share Posted May 12, 2009 The problem is your allowing corrupt individuals to pass laws on the rest of us. They are too busy lining their own pockets to create effective and fair laws. If Parliament had honourable members it's possible we would not be in the financial mess we are in now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwe3333 Posted May 12, 2009 Share Posted May 12, 2009 MPs follow expense rules shocker!! Everyone knew the rules on second homes etc. They just followed it. Very populist, but not particularly a big deal in the general scheme of bailouts etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pl1 Posted May 12, 2009 Share Posted May 12, 2009 I just don't get what the big deal is. The amounts of money we are talking about is an absolute pittance compared to how much these fools waste every day on the likes of NHS consultants and phony wars.We all know MPs aren't saints so why would we expect them not to embellish their expenses. Every other employee in every other industry does. Nope, this is all another enrage the sheeple, diversionary story. Wake up and look at the bigger picture if you want to see real corruption I think all the shafted IT contractors, who skulk on this forum, would take umbridge with your post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
batthink Posted May 12, 2009 Share Posted May 12, 2009 We all know MPs aren't saints so why would we expect them not to embellish their expenses. Every other employee in every other industry does. Conformist. Yeah lets just accept everything is crap. I don't embellish my expenses, and I don't know anyone who does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pioneer31 Posted May 12, 2009 Share Posted May 12, 2009 Membership of European Union 40 million pounds per day That's something to be angry about Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Don't Surf Posted May 12, 2009 Author Share Posted May 12, 2009 (edited) I still don't see the big deal about a few grand here and there. If politicians really want to make money either 1) they don't become MPs or 2) do back room deals with big business I'm sure Tony Blair was the paragon of virtue when it came to expenses. But he also holidayed with Silvio Berlusconi. And what about Mandle-slime - gets away scot-free after his dalliances with Russian Aluminium billionaires even though there was a massive conflict of interests. At the end of the day I couldn't give a **** about a few million of tax payers money IF (and big if) these muppets were doing a good job of running the country. That's what we should be concentrating on, but as we know the sheeple like to get outraged.... Edited May 12, 2009 by surfgatinho Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Te Mata Posted May 12, 2009 Share Posted May 12, 2009 The point is that it exposes a monumental hypocrisy. The government aggressively sanctions this sort of thing for the general public, contractors and small business owners, yet utilise it to the max for themselves. That's why people are angry. The last vestiges of an illusion of honour with our MPs has been smashed. They govern us (theoretically) via our consent to be governed; that they have (no matter how misguided we think they are) the best interests of the country and it's people at heart. This finally destroys that premise. How can they govern with this hanging off them? It will be interesting what the government in waiting does with its own leeches. If Cameron has any sense at all, he will start taking these clowns out.. FAST. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pioneer31 Posted May 12, 2009 Share Posted May 12, 2009 2009 - Govt preside over biggest Economic calamity we've ever seen. Much of it home grown - The sheeple sit quiet 2009 - Govt expenses revealed - Sheeple angry 1991 - Poll tax - sheeple furious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Don't Surf Posted May 12, 2009 Author Share Posted May 12, 2009 2009 - Govt preside over biggest Economic calamity we've ever seen. Much of it home grown - The sheeple sit quiet2009 - Govt expenses revealed - Sheeple angry 1991 - Poll tax - sheeple furious. In retrospect the Poll Tax seems a lot fairer than council tax. It's all about how you market it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pioneer31 Posted May 12, 2009 Share Posted May 12, 2009 In retrospect the Poll Tax seems a lot fairer than council tax. It's all about how you market it Agreed. Even if it wasn't 'fair', it's nothing compared to the crimes of this govt. HPI is like heroin, it makes the masses feel good whilst simultaneously f***ing them up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coolfonz Posted May 12, 2009 Share Posted May 12, 2009 But the `sheeple` (of course not you, you are waaay too smart) are doing plenty. Factory and school occupations, strikes, demonstrations (don't know if you saw the G20 thing you may have missed it), marches...but then i'm sure you are particularly active and not just sitting on your **** moaning and generally patronising people. As for the OP - thank God people like you weren't around when the NHS was invented. `Oh what's the point, it will all be fukked up by MRSI and PFI and...` You remind me of Eeyore (sp?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pioneer31 Posted May 12, 2009 Share Posted May 12, 2009 But the `sheeple` (of course not you, you are waaay too smart) are doing plenty. Factory and school occupations, strikes, demonstrations (don't know if you saw the G20 thing you may have missed it), marches...but then i'm sure you are particularly active and not just sitting on your **** moaning and generally patronising people. really? How many demonstrations about HPI and the immense social divide it is causing, have you counted? The sheeple specialise in protesting over minutiae, like MP's expenses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BAREBEAR_soon to be ALIVA Posted May 12, 2009 Share Posted May 12, 2009 Membership of European Union40 million pounds per day That's something to be angry about Indeed !! Fully agree ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Like the poll tax a straw just comes along that breaks the camels back. In this case MP's expenses. The MP's the people who are supposed to be leaders of our society are abusing it. It makes me want to break every law I can get away with because those in authority do. The hypocracy is astonishing, they chase DSS claimants to the end of the world for earning a few bob on the side, they expect pensioners to live on less than they can claim for bath plugs and yet they claim to represent us. If the law makers are bending their own rules what do they expect from the people they represent ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SarahBell Posted May 12, 2009 Share Posted May 12, 2009 I just don't get what the big deal is. They have no respect for our money. Whether it's being put directly in their pocket or being wasted on stupid projects. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sun n sea Posted May 12, 2009 Share Posted May 12, 2009 Is stealing money important? Does fraud, false accounting and tax avoidance really matter? People have discovered that the MP's in this country are involved in benefit fraud on a herculean scale. Stealing money from the population whilst lecturing them on the need for fiscal restraint is something guaranteed to infuriate everyone. MP's are supposed to have morals and a sense of right and wrong- we can see with our own eyes that they don't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
europbaron Posted May 12, 2009 Share Posted May 12, 2009 ....I'm sure Tony Blair was the paragon of virtue when it came to expenses. .... I wouldn't call claiming interest on a mortgage of nearly £300,000 secured on a property purchased for £30,000 a paragon of virtue. I'd call it fraud as it clearly was not a necessary expense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
righttoleech Posted May 12, 2009 Share Posted May 12, 2009 Why so little about Blair's thieving? He should be jailed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minos Posted May 12, 2009 Share Posted May 12, 2009 I just don't get what the big deal is. The big deal is that there is effectively no law in operation in this country anymore which applies to us all. We are lorded over by thieves who make laws which are designed to grind you down while allowing them to be exempt from them. They bail out their masters in the banks with our money. You have no say or choice. You, your children and theirs will have to pay for it. You are traced, tracked and registered everywhere you go. If you step out of line you are likely to be fined or imprisoned. They won't be. They can kill someone on a motorway while using the phone and get let off. Try not paying your tribute to them (council tax) and see what happens. They of course can bill their taxes to expenses. If you demonstrate there's every chance you will be cornered and beaten to death by a policeman. It's really a big deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest มร หล Posted May 12, 2009 Share Posted May 12, 2009 I just don't get what the big deal is. The amounts of money we are talking about is an absolute pittance compared to how much these fools waste every day on the likes of NHS consultants and phony wars.We all know MPs aren't saints so why would we expect them not to embellish their expenses. Every other employee in every other industry does. Nope, this is all another enrage the sheeple, diversionary story. Wake up and look at the bigger picture if you want to see real corruption That sentence qualifies the rhetorical question in the title nicely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowflux Posted May 12, 2009 Share Posted May 12, 2009 Membership of European Union40 million pounds per day That's something to be angry about Net or gross? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
porca misèria Posted May 12, 2009 Share Posted May 12, 2009 Net or gross? Spun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
porca misèria Posted May 12, 2009 Share Posted May 12, 2009 It does matter, because it gives them vested interests that are not aligned with the interests of their constituents. An MP who lives primarily in London can't realistically claim to represent an area like here (West Devon), so we are systematically disenfranchised. Oh and ObTopic, if you're encouraged to own a second home, you have an interest in HPI ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunonmars Posted May 12, 2009 Share Posted May 12, 2009 UPDATE: David Cameron has called a meeting of the Parliamentary Party for 2pm. He's about to read the riot act to them all. He's been at the commons all morning with party lawyers and is expected to talk deselection. Apparently he's furious and about to do some major dishes of punishment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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