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[scepticus]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1236002/The-Politics-Factor-Simon-Cowell-unveils-plan-launch-election-debate-show.html

Cowell said: 'What I'm always interested in is what the public think on certain issues.

'If you went around the country now it would be five or six big, big issues which I think are really, really important in people's lives.'

The idea raises the worrying prospect of Cowell having the final say over who takes over as Prime Minister.

But the 50-year-old has said that he instead envisions the show as giving the public the chance to vote on the topics that they feel most strongly about.

Not that his version of a politics show would be lacking in X-Factor-style drama.

For while he would not personally present the show, Cowell said: 'The idea was, is, that we would have a red telephone in the middle which at any time someone from Number 10 can call in'. [ ]

'It would be a good way for me to get involved in politics in my own way, which is it would be controversial.'

[AteMoose]

It would be interesting but if done in an open way it would show current politics are disconnected from public opion. One of the subjects has to be europe ;p

The big problem with this, and cowell is that everything about him/xfactor is a manipulation of the truth, xfactor is built on lies (the prize amount is a lie, some previous winners had met cowell before going on xfactor, the judges have very little involvement, the judges/show only see the min number of people due to previous auditions to whittle down numbers), will this be any different given cowells track record?

Edited December 15, 2009 by AteMoose

[Concrete Jungle]

The permatanned pompous p. rick Cowell mentioned this on Newsnight last night. I had to switch the TV off at that point.

*WARNING LINK CONTAINS NSFW CONTENT*

Simon Cowell's idea for a new political television show

X Factor judge Simon Cowell has said he wants to run a series of "prime time" TV debates on key political issues ahead of the next general election.

He told BBC Two's Newsnight he wanted to put on a show where audiences could vote on political issues.

Mr Cowell said there would be a red telephone to allow politicians to ring in to state their case.

Watch the full interview on Newsnight on Monday 14 December 2009 at 10.30pm on BBC Two, then afterwards on the Newsnight website.

Edited December 15, 2009 by Concrete Jungle

[lurker07]

The permatanned pompous p. rick Cowell mentioned this on Newsnight last night. I had to switch the TV off at that point.

Cowell was on Newsnight? FFS.

[Concrete Jungle]

Cowell was on Newsnight? FFS.

Yes See updated post.

[loginandtonic]

quite frankly, its hard to see how a prime minister cowell + chancellor [cheryl] cole could do significantly worse.

press conference, cowell defers to cole:

''Nooo I'm nay gonna bail ooot nooothan rook, sorry pets, its moral hazood n'all.

we'll repay them savers but after that i'm afraid you're all gonna sink or swim on ya own, ya canny lot, like.''

[abaxas]

I'm looking forward to this.

Lets hope there's a wind machine and one of those 'x factor' style fruit machine sets.

And of course the voice over guy... It's Gooooordon Broown.

[scepticus]

''Nooo I'm nay gonna bail ooot nooothan rook, sorry pets, its moral hazood n'all.

we'll repay them savers but after that i'm afraid you're all gonna sink or swim on ya own, ya canny lot, like.''

what a lovely fantasy. I wonder what outfit she'd wear as chancellor?

in any case, I suspect Louie would be chancellor.

[juvenal]

Why on earth does this fairground showman think he has anything whatever to contribute to serious issues?

Vorderman; Frank Carson(UKIP); Krusty; The blind cove from Big Brother who stood in the Glasgow NE bye-election; Cowell....

Who's next into the political arena - The Chuckle Brothers?

Edited December 15, 2009 by juvenal

[Guest DissipatedYouthIsValuable]

I look forward to my time in the cultural and actual desert of Australia.

[Kyoto]

As I mentioned in Off Topic yesterday, why the snobbery about this?

X Factor attracted 10+ million viewers. Getting that many people involved and talking about politics and the issues facing us would be fantastic.

[interestrateripoff]

It could be interesting although it would be glitzy and sexy to try and get viewers.

Although most of the awkward moments for any politician have come from phone-ins Margaret Thatchers Belgrano question and the time she was also on kids TV and asked about the nuclear bunker.

Providing it's not rigged by the suits and is open this idea could be good.

However the spin doctors will get hold of it, questions will get screened and it end up being glossy tat.

[R K]

Only the top 2% of the liberal elite should be should be permitted to steal money from everybody else?

Shame on all of you.

You deserve the dictatorship you're going to get.

[Dave Spart]

When you need help with a legal issue you call a lawyer.

When you need help with your domestic boiler you call a plumber.

When you need help with your car you call a mechanic.

There's a good reason why you rely on the expertise of others - to ensure you use your own scarce resources to get the best possible result.

If you want the best outcome that means having to call upon the services of those best qualified to pass their opinion.

Its been 3000 years or so since Greek democracy was first founded. Since then the world has changed. People developed specialisms that became professions but our democracy has hardly changed to reflect those changes.

When it comes to an elections, besides a few exceptions, every Tom, Dick and Harry gets to vote on issues as if they were equal in every respect. a paedophile football holligan has the same right to vote in an election has say the world's leading expert in curing cancer.

When it comes to voting on individual issues the system has never entrusted that to you - you aren't good enough to have a say in the individual issues you own country faces. Besides, your presence would get in the way of some wonderful opportunities for graft - that's why the public are shut out. When was the last time you you voted in a referendum?

Moreover suppose you could vote on a single issue, something of global importance now and forever? Say, genetic research? Who do yiou think is best qualified to pass an opinion on this? A football hooligan or a professor in genetic research. Doubtless Cowell would sanctimoniously appeal to the masses by telling them they all have equal say on the subject and they would cheer and love him for it.

(While we're at it, why don't we extend this notion into the field of say brain surgery? If you're a fan of Cowell's notion of democracy then you won't mind if the nation votes for surgeon X over surgeon Y because surgeon X has better sex appeal)

Cowell is proving just how far his ambitions stretch and just how extremely dangerous he is. The thought that he is even contemplating an involvement in politics means his involvement is actually very far advanced. This is how psychopaths work. (Winston stood alone in his warnings on Nazi Germany). Cowell is giving formal notice of his intentions to corner the democratic process.

Cowell's new interest in politics is nothing to do with serving the best interests of the nation and upholding democracy, but in self-empowerment and controlling the masses to fulfil his evil ends. Cowell is a dangerous psychopath whose parallels to Hitler grow more chilling by the day. He must be stopped at all costs.

Edited December 15, 2009 by Dave Spart

[lurker07]

When you need help with a legal issue you call a lawyer.

When you need help with your domestic boiler you call a plumber.

When you need help with your car you call a mechanic.

There's a good reason why you rely on the expertise of others - to ensure you use your own scarce resources to get the best possible result.

If you want the best outcome that means having to call upon the services of those best qualified to pass their opinion.

Its been 3000 years or so since Greek democracy was first founded. Since then the world has changed. People developed specialisms that became professions but our democracy has hardly changed to reflect those changes.

When it comes to an elections, besides a few exceptions, every Tom, Dick and Harry gets to vote on issues as if they were equal in every respect. a paedophile football holligan has the same right to vote in an election has say the world's leading expert in curing cancer.

When it comes to voting on individual issues the system has never entrusted that to you - you aren't good enough to have a say in the individual issues you own country faces. Besides, your presence would get in the way of some wonderful opportunities for graft - that's why the public are shut out. When was the last time you you voted in a referendum?

Moreover suppose you could vote on a single issue, something of global importance now and forever? Say, genetic research? Who do yiou think is best qualified to pass an opinion on this? A football hooligan or a professor in genetic research. Doubtless Cowell would sanctimoniously appeal to the masses by telling them they all have equal say on the subject and they would cheer and love him for it.

(While we're at it, why don't we extend this notion into the field of say brain surgery? If you're a fan of Cowell's notion of democracy then you won't mind if the nation votes for surgeon X over surgeon Y because surgeon X has better sex appeal)

Cowell is proving just how far his ambitions stretch and just how extremely dangerous he is. The thought that he is even contemplating an invement in politics means his involvement is actually very far advanced. This is how psychopaths work. He is giving formal notice of his intentions to corner the democratic process.

Cowell's new interest in politics is nothing to do with serving the best interests of the nation and upholding democracy, but in self-empowerment and controlling the masses to fulfil his evil ends. Cowell is a dangeous psychopath whose similarities to Hitler grow more frightening by the day. He must be stopped at all costs.

+100

Stop this man NOW

[Dave Spart]

As I mentioned in Off Topic yesterday, why the snobbery about this?

X Factor attracted 10+ million viewers. Getting that many people involved and talking about politics and the issues facing us would be fantastic.

Two books for you to read : Mein Kampf by A. Hitler and Propaganda by E. Bernays.

If you think education is expensive try ignorance.

Edited December 15, 2009 by Dave Spart

[Guest DissipatedYouthIsValuable]

When you need help with a legal issue you call a lawyer.

When you need help with your domestic boiler you call a plumber.

When you need help with your car you call a mechanic.

There's a good reason why you rely on the expertise of others - to ensure you use your own scarce resources to get the best possible result.

If you want the best outcome that means having to call upon the services of those best qualified to pass their opinion.

Its been 3000 years or so since Greek democracy was first founded. Since then the world has changed. People developed specialisms that became professions but our democracy has hardly changed to reflect those changes.

When it comes to an elections, besides a few exceptions, every Tom, Dick and Harry gets to vote on issues as if they were equal in every respect. a paedophile football holligan has the same right to vote in an election has say the world's leading expert in curing cancer.

When it comes to voting on individual issues the system has never entrusted that to you - you aren't good enough to have a say in the individual issues you own country faces. Besides, your presence would get in the way of some wonderful opportunities for graft - that's why the public are shut out. When was the last time you you voted in a referendum?

Moreover suppose you could vote on a single issue, something of global importance now and forever? Say, genetic research? Who do yiou think is best qualified to pass an opinion on this? A football hooligan or a professor in genetic research. Doubtless Cowell would sanctimoniously appeal to the masses by telling them they all have equal say on the subject and they would cheer and love him for it.

(While we're at it, why don't we extend this notion into the field of say brain surgery? If you're a fan of Cowell's notion of democracy then you won't mind if the nation votes for surgeon X over surgeon Y because surgeon X has better sex appeal)

Cowell is proving just how far his ambitions stretch and just how extremely dangerous he is. The thought that he is even contemplating an involvement in politics means his involvement is actually very far advanced. This is how psychopaths work. (Winston stood alone in his warnings on Nazi Germany). Cowell is giving formal notice of his intentions to corner the democratic process.

Cowell's new interest in politics is nothing to do with serving the best interests of the nation and upholding democracy, but in self-empowerment and controlling the masses to fulfil his evil ends. Cowell is a dangerous psychopath whose parallels to Hitler grow more chilling by the day. He must be stopped at all costs.

I'd wait until he starts wearing medals and grows a small moustache.

[Traktion]

When you need help with a legal issue you call a lawyer.

When you need help with your domestic boiler you call a plumber.

When you need help with your car you call a mechanic.

...

And politicians are experts in their areas!? Riiight...

I'm sure the NWO would share your views on how the "little people" aren't deemed clever/worldly enough to vote.

I'm no fan of Cowell, but I'm all for involving the public in political debate. I want people in all walks of life to share their views and become involved in politics. Give people responsibility and they will behave responsibly.

Finally, for your points, google and/or a good book can help. It is foolish to think that every area of debate can only be discussed by experts in a field - the broader points need not be.

[Dave Spart]

And politicians are experts in their areas!? Riiight...

I'm sure the NWO would share your views on how the "little people" aren't deemed clever/worldly enough to vote.

I'm no fan of Cowell, but I'm all for involving the public in political debate. I want people in all walks of life to share their views and become involved in politics. Give people responsibility and they will behave responsibly.

Finally, for your points, google and/or a good book can help. It is foolish to think that every area of debate can only be discussed by experts in a field - the broader points need not be.

All too predictably you are blissfully ignorant of the posts I have made since summer arguing for democratic reform.

Edited December 15, 2009 by Dave Spart

[Dave Spart]

I'd wait until he starts wearing medals and grows a small moustache.

By the time agents of evil drop their cloaks of deception it is already too late.

Edited December 15, 2009 by Dave Spart

[brassed off brit]

quite frankly, its hard to see how a prime minister cowell + chancellor [cheryl] cole could do significantly worse.

press conference, cowell defers to cole:

''Nooo I'm nay gonna bail ooot nooothan rook, sorry pets, its moral hazood n'all.

we'll repay them savers but after that i'm afraid you're all gonna sink or swim on ya own, ya canny lot, like.''

Get a geordie dictionary! they do exist!

" Nerr a'm nert gonna bail oot northern rerk, sorry pets it's moral hazerd n'all that like! etc.etc.

nice try though and your point is taken.

[loginandtonic]

Get a geordie dictionary! they do exist!

" Nerr a'm nert gonna bail oot northern rerk, sorry pets it's moral hazerd n'all that like! etc.etc.

nice try though and your point is taken.

i've got one of those but i cant find it!

will have to phone cheryl + ask her, but she just tells me its me who speaks funny + she has no accent at all...

Edited December 15, 2009 by loginandtonic

[Traktion]

All too predicatbly you are blissfully ignorant of the posts I have made since summer arguing for democratic reform.

Taking the above post alone on merit, my points still stand (I haven't been hanging on your every post, I'm afraid). Shutting out debate because you think that people aren't intelligent enough to take part in them is not democratic, no matter which way you cut it.

[CokeSnortingTory]

He'll probably end up as the British Burlesconi.

When it eventually dawns on people that the mainstream politicians have no ability to fix the structural economic and social problems in the UK, they'll want a charismatic and decisive individual to push them around Putin-style. I've been thinking for a while who this person could be, and it might be that Cowell is the one.

It's a shame really, I hoped we would get someone a bit better.

[R K]

If you want the best outcome that means having to call upon the services of those best qualified to pass their opinion.

Would that be lawyers, estate agents, bankers, quants, climate change scientists, Gordon Brown or Harold Shipman?

Just because the 'educated' elite spend their days cooking up ways of stealing from the 'chavocracy' who are 'too stupid to know better' doesn't make it right.

The dictatorship is all around us and it's not because of the poor and poorly educated, it's because of the very people you laud as somehow deserving.

We now know for instance that bankers cause 7 times as much wealth destruction as wealth creation and yet quants are amongst the most highly educated and qualified.

Not a single brain surgeon has prevented anyone from dying, simply delayed it for a while. So if there were no brain surgeons in the world we'd still all die. You could argue they're irrelevant and certainly not worthy of hundreds of £ks of cash extracted under threat of imprisonment.

Just because you may not get the outcome you (or a self-appointed expert) deems to be the right one doesn't mean you are entitled to prevent people choosing it.