Charlie The Tramp Returns Posted March 6, 2012 Share Posted March 6, 2012 Where the hell is he now Another conspiracy The fate of Osama bin Laden's remains have been called into question after emails leaked from an intelligence analysis firm say the body of the terror leader was actually sent to the U.S. for cremation.Terrorist: Osama bin Laden was killed on May 1, 2011 in the now-famous raid by Navy SEAL Team Six at his secret Pakistan compound. According to the emails, the Al Qaeda boss was shot and killed during the famous Navy SEAL Team Six raid on his compound in Abbottabad, Pakistan, was transported back to the U.S. and cremated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Game_Over Posted March 6, 2012 Share Posted March 6, 2012 Generally I don't hold with conspiracy theories and when people first claimed the the guy was not Bin Laden my initial reaction was 'yeah right' However, having thought about it I think it is highly likely that the guy killed by the Americans was not Bin Laden. Bin Laden probably died of kidney failure in a cave somewhere in the border regions of Pakistan/Afganistan many years ago. Al-Qaeda would never have admitted this at the time and probably thought it would be a good idea to have a double for propaganda purposes. I suspect the US knew this guy was a fake but a live Bin Laden was far more use to the US than a dead Bin Laden at the time. Eventually however the guy just became an embarrassment to all concerned so the Pakistanis tipped off the US and looked the other way while they took the guy and disposed of his body. Not going to argue with anyone about this because no one will ever know the truth Just thought it is something interesting to consider. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccc Posted March 6, 2012 Share Posted March 6, 2012 ******** - He is now living in Dundee working in farmfoods Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie The Tramp Returns Posted March 6, 2012 Author Share Posted March 6, 2012 Just thought it is something interesting to consider. Did they not take his DNA and confirmed his identity through comparing it with family members. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milton Posted March 6, 2012 Share Posted March 6, 2012 When you have a read about the past operations of the CIA and our own intelligence services, you must have a brain the size of a baked bean, if you believe anything they say. Im actually now, more inclined to believe some Iranian, who refutes the fact that they did a nuke test in 2010 in North Korea than anyone from my own side. Our Guys have absolutely zero credibility. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- What would you say If I told you that Western European Governments were spree killing their own citizens? [sound like a nutter now dont I?] Planting terrorist bombs, on trains, and blowing up and killing their own citizens, and making it appear that this was being done by hardcore Left Communist style Groups? And the only reason this was being done, was so that these western European citizens would turn to their governments and plead for help? Sounds unbeliveable doesnt it? Yet its absolutely true. The staging of terror and killing our own innocent civilians to gain control. It was investigated at the highest levels, by parliamentary authorities. And it happened in our lifetimes. [The last 30 years] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJJ Posted March 6, 2012 Share Posted March 6, 2012 no one will ever know the truth That doesn't stand up to analysis. It's almost certain that someone knows the truth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie The Tramp Returns Posted March 6, 2012 Author Share Posted March 6, 2012 Planting terrorist bombs, on trains, and blowing up and killing their own citizens, and making it appear that this was being done by hardcore Left Communist style Groups? And the reason this was being done, was so that the citizens would turn to their government and plead for help? Sounds unbeliveable doesnt it? Yet its absolutely true. It was investigated at the highest levels, by parliamentary authorities. And it happened in our lifetimes? [The last 30 years] Could you elaborate on this with the appropriate links. Ta in advance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milton Posted March 6, 2012 Share Posted March 6, 2012 There is a full documentary about Operation Gladio, which used to be available on Google Videos. Ex Members are interviewed and admit to carrying out these bombings. Every country had a 'stay behind network', in case the Soviets invaded after WW2. But the roles and responsibilities of these goverment networks were increased in subsequent decadres, until they began bombing their own citizens. I'll try and locate the full documentary. Heres a few links. But have a google its all over the web. It most definitely occured and is probably still occuring. Operation 'Gladio'. Prime Minister Giulio Andreotti admitted to the existence of Gladio, a NATO stay-behind anti-communist organization in 1990. Investigations on bombings committed and a list of secret Gladio members in Italy was released. Among the bombings being investigated were the 1969 Piazza Fontana bombing, 1972 Pateano massacre and 1980 Bologna massacre. While such 'stay behind' anti-communist networks existed in all NATO countries, Italy's Gladio was the first to be formally recognized. Strategy Of Tension: http://en.wikipedia....tegy_of_tension The strategy of tension (Italian: strategia della tensione) is a theory that describes how to divide, manipulate, and control public opinion using fear, propaganda, disinformation, psychological warfare, agents provocateurs, and false flag terrorist actions.[1] Operation Gladio: http://en.wikipedia....peration_Gladio The first academic examination of Gladio was published in 2005 by Swiss historian Daniele Ganser. Mr. Ganser is currently a Senior Researcher at the Center for Security Studies at the Federal Institute of Technology in Zurich, Switzerland. His book, NATO's Secret Armies: Operation Gladio and Terrorism in Western Europe, Gladio has been accused of trying to influence policies through the means of "false flag" operations: a 2000 Italian Parliamentary Commission report from the Olive Tree left-wing coalition concluded that the strategy of tension used by Gladio had been supported by the United States to "stop the PCI (Italian Communist Party), and to a certain degree also the PSI (Italian Socialist Party), from reaching executive power in the country".Propaganda Due (also known as P2), a quasi-freemasonic organization, whose existence was discovered in 1981, was said closely linked to Gladio http://en.wikipedia....Gladio_in_ItalyWhile "stay-behind" anti-communist networks existed in all NATO countries, the Italian branch of Operation Gladio was the first one to be discovered. It was set up under Minister of Defense (from 1953 to 1958) Paolo Taviani's supervision.[1] Prime minister Giulio Andreotti (DC) publicly recognized it on 24 October 1990, speaking of a "structure of information, response and safeguard", with arms caches and reserve officers. Operation Gladio was organised by 'fascists' within the security services of the West. Reportedly, the idea was to kill innocent people and then blame this on others. Gladio was about keeping the right-wing elite in power. Gladio agent Vincenzo Vinciguerra stated, in sworn testimony: 'You had to attack civilians, the people, women, children, innocent people, unknown people far removed from any political game. The reason was quite simple: to force ... the public to turn to the state to ask for greater security." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quiet Guy Posted March 6, 2012 Share Posted March 6, 2012 Where the hell is he now Another conspiracy Nope, he definitely finished up at sea. Here's the proof: http://www.youtube.c...h?v=Kb7NxLLwLco Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuggets Mahoney Posted March 6, 2012 Share Posted March 6, 2012 Where the hell is he now Another conspiracy That would be one of those 'bad' conspiracy theories. Unlike the ones about Russians which would be 'good' conspiracy theories? Oh, hang on that bloke Putin was supposed to have killed accused the Russian government of blowing up tower blocks and blaming it on terrorists. If you think about that too hard that might get quite confusing Could you elaborate on this with the appropriate links. Ta in advance. Outstanding irony You can start here maybe... Strategy of Tension - References And if a list of wikipedia references is a little too low brow for you Bologna Massacre - Timeline It's in Italian though but I'm sure that will be no obstacle Or how about watching the BBC's take on the story... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fB6nViwJcM Apparently, it's an impeccable source Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie The Tramp Returns Posted March 6, 2012 Author Share Posted March 6, 2012 There is a full documentary about Operation Gladio, which used to be available on Google Videos. Ex Members are interviewed and admit to carrying out these bombings. Every country had a 'stay behind network', in case the Soviets invaded after WW2. Anything to do with Italian Politics and Politicians I am not surprised at, after all they have had for 80 years unstable Governments and Leaders. The latest being dear old Berlusconi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinker Posted March 6, 2012 Share Posted March 6, 2012 Hard to believe anything coming from Government sources. Didn't Benazir Bhutto state that OBL had died in 2001 before she met her demise (2007). Always useful to have a bogeyman and/or a fiendish organisation to fight like SPECTRE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milton Posted March 6, 2012 Share Posted March 6, 2012 Anything to do with Italian Politics and Politicians I am not surprised at, I was gobsmacked. Still Am. If the Italian government were blowing their own citizens up in the 1980's it makes you question everything. It's impossible to believe any MSM news Story on any Terrorist Bombing or Spree Killing thereafter. its not just this either. Theres a lot of other stuff. Some of it involving UK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted March 6, 2012 Share Posted March 6, 2012 Are you sure he wasn't flown to Kent? I bet you've been telling this to everyone you've spoken to today! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie The Tramp Returns Posted March 6, 2012 Author Share Posted March 6, 2012 Outstanding irony >And if a list of wikipedia references is a little too low brow for you Really, the mind boggles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LC1 Posted March 6, 2012 Share Posted March 6, 2012 When you have a read about the past operations of the CIA and our own intelligence services, you must have a brain the size of a baked bean, if you believe anything they say. Im actually now, more inclined to believe some Iranian, who refutes the fact that they did a nuke test in 2010 in North Korea than anyone from my own side. Our Guys have absolutely zero credibility. +1 We're manipulated and lied to on a regular basis. We are spoon fed a more palatable version of reality in order to give us the illusion that our so called leaders are forces for good in the world and have our best interests at heart. The sooner we wake up to that fact the better. Be discerning about everything you read, hear or see. Think for yourself. Question whose view it is you're being given, and what they're purposefully not telling you. And give more credibility to 'conspiracy theories' - chances are more than half of them will be mostly true Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milton Posted March 6, 2012 Share Posted March 6, 2012 The uk secret services were plotting an Itlalian coup in the 1970's, it came out recently. Callaghan's government I believe. Information that surfaced in recent years suggests that the “Stay Behind” concept first arose in Britain. Senior military sources told the Guardian newspaper in December 1990, that a British guerrilla network was already in place following the fall of France in 1940. Numerous arm “caches” were buried for later use by a special forces ski battalion of the Scots Guards under the leadership of Brigadier “Mad Mike” Calvert. After the war, the decision was taken to create new units throughout Europe. The plan was conceived by the US Joint Chiefs of Staff and spearheaded by the newly formed CIA. Britain’s “Stay Behind” unit was modified after the war, for a “secondary use.” This was to combat “the takeover of civil government by militant leftwing groups.” The network was operated by Britain’s intelligence services and selected members of the armed forces. Rumours persist that Harold Wilson’s Labour government was the target of a Gladio type campaign not dissimilar to that of Italy. Wilson’s surprise resignation has been credited to a dirty tricks campaign operated by British intelligence at the behest of the US. Known as operation “Clockwork Orange” Army psyops personnel began “fabricating” evidence that showed that senior members of the Wilson Cabinet, including the Prime Minister himself, were Soviet dupes. Waiting in the wings were senior military and other rightwing figures alleged to be planning a military style “Coup D’Etat” in the event that the Labour government won the forthcoming election. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuggets Mahoney Posted March 6, 2012 Share Posted March 6, 2012 Be discerning about everything you read, hear or see. Think for yourself. Question whose view it is you're being given, and what they're purposefully not telling you. And give more credibility to 'conspiracy theories' - chances are more than half of them will be mostly true By their nature, most alternative conspiracy theories are even less well supported than the official conspiracy theories. Personally, I'm suspicious of anyone who claims to definitively know what's going on - whether they're parroting the BBC or Alex Jones On the subject of OBL, I've never been able to quite get over the fact that the Bin Laden and Bush families were/ are business partners or that Binladen Group contracts for the Pentagon. I don't pretend to understand the significance of it all but shrugging your shoulders and saying 'phh, small world isn't it' doesn't strike me as an adequate explanation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happy_renting Posted March 6, 2012 Share Posted March 6, 2012 It's amazing how often the USA comes up! (Unlike Kent - until now.) Exactly. Follow the money. It always leads back to Ramsgate DC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Masked Tulip Posted March 6, 2012 Share Posted March 6, 2012 Has anyone given the response "Who gives a f*ck?" yet. The guy was an evil murderer who plotted, planned and organised the killing of innocent people. Where, how and when he was buried is immaterial. The fecker is dead - end of. I hope his life review makes him realise of all the hurt he has caused. Basically, he was the pampered son of a super rich man, was brought up in a pampered existence and basically did the fast cars, booze and high class hooker thing in London, Paris and elsewhere... then he got guilt, got religion and decided to blame his wandering pr*ck on the West so set out to kill as many people as possible. The guy was a feck up. Threads like this - I have not even bothered to read it - insult the memories of the thousands of innocents whom he killed directly or indirectly. He is not worth this thread. The best thing to do about Bin Laden is to forget that the fecker even existed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichB Posted March 6, 2012 Share Posted March 6, 2012 +1 We're manipulated and lied to on a regular basis. We are spoon fed a more palatable version of reality in order to give us the illusion that our so called leaders are forces for good in the world and have our best interests at heart. The sooner we wake up to that fact the better. Be discerning about everything you read, hear or see. Think for yourself. Question whose view it is you're being given, and what they're purposefully not telling you. And give more credibility to 'conspiracy theories' - chances are more than half of them will be mostly true btw... if our secret services and governmental underhand agencies aren't conspiring on a grand scale on a daily basis - what are we paying them for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Masked Tulip Posted March 7, 2012 Share Posted March 7, 2012 We're manipulated and lied to on a regular basis. We are spoon fed a more palatable version of reality in order to give us the illusion that our so called leaders are forces for good in the world and have our best interests at heart. The sooner we wake up to that fact the better. Be discerning about everything you read, hear or see. Think for yourself. Question whose view it is you're being given, and what they're purposefully not telling you. And give more credibility to 'conspiracy theories' - chances are more than half of them will be mostly true Or maybe you were born in a cushy part of the planet and are ignorant of just how much evil there is elsewhere in the world? That good people in our country have to do bad things so that you can sit at home typing sanctimonious stuff on the internet? Just asking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuggets Mahoney Posted March 7, 2012 Share Posted March 7, 2012 Or maybe you were born in a cushy part of the planet and are ignorant of just how much evil there is elsewhere in the world? That good people in our country have to do bad things so that you can sit at home typing sanctimonious stuff on the internet? Just asking. I think the original Orwell quote went something like... "People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf" Here's another... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Executive Sadman Posted March 7, 2012 Share Posted March 7, 2012 Cremations what they do to zombies, maybe they were worried he'd re-animate otherwise. Personally, id turn him into kebabs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNACR Posted March 7, 2012 Share Posted March 7, 2012 In a January 2002 interview with CNN, Pakistan President Gen. Pervez Musharraf said bin Laden had probably died of kidney failure, and that he'd taken two dialysis machines into Afghanistan with him. Should have kept the body for medical research. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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