byron78 Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Insane said: Put the Race Card away it has been declined. You're welcome to the race card if it keeps you happy tbh. Poor proles who punch down not up are perfect in my old Tory eyes. Edited October 2, 2021 by byron78 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markyh Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 On 01/10/2021 at 07:12, hotblack42 said: BBC yesterday gave Gatwick a lot of coverage. Still little going on despite restrictions easing a lot & travel insurance now covering Covid. This suggests that many people with cash are seeing the palava involved in flying and shrugging, "we'll wait". Many may just get out of expensive habits, realising they didn't bring happiness. Others already can't pay or will be worried about the rising cost of necessities so are sitting on their hands. So if discretionary spending goes, has gone?, off a cliff & inflated goods & services sit unsold on the shelves. What will happen? prices for flights and holidays for those that can afford it will drop due to lack of demand, which comes back to "the rich getting richer" as they have to pay less for the things the rich do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insane Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 7 minutes ago, byron78 said: You're welcome to the race card if it keeps you happy tbh. Poor proles who punch down not up are perfect in my old Tory eyes. Your not you use it inappropriately. Anyway what are you doing on here this morning you are meant to be on your way to Dover ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
byron78 Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 30 minutes ago, Insane said: Your not you use it inappropriately. Anyway what are you doing on here this morning you are meant to be on your way to Dover ? No fuel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insane Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 40 minutes ago, byron78 said: No fuel. Always an excuse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
byron78 Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 44 minutes ago, Insane said: Always an excuse. Have you been out there lately? Country is crumbling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GregBowman Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 19 hours ago, Insane said: The message I got from the Labour Conference this week was :- The New Policy's are as follows :- The Tory's are Scum. The next James Bond should be female. Then there was a lady who could not attend ( forgotten her name) she is a Labour Party member but due to her Tweets on Transgender issues not being the party policy line she was receiving Death Threats. Now I wonder which part of the message I Heard Wrong 🤣🤣🤣 I am conservative with a small c and would agree some tory grandees are - so old message LOL Even Daniel Craig doesn't think that The cervix was a central point of policy which alienates me a little...😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GregBowman Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 16 minutes ago, byron78 said: Have you been out there lately? Country is crumbling. I think you will find its nearer to 20k according to the RHA and IR 35 has had a bigger impact but hey don't let that get in the way of living in the past Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GregBowman Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 2 hours ago, markyh said: prices for flights and holidays for those that can afford it will drop due to lack of demand, which comes back to "the rich getting richer" as they have to pay less for the things the rich do. Like you Mr Bitcoin ? you are in the top 5% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insane Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 23 minutes ago, byron78 said: Have you been out there lately? Country is crumbling. The EU has a shortage as well So are you saying the EU is crumbling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markyh Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 46 minutes ago, GregBowman said: Like you Mr Bitcoin ? you are in the top 5% No idea, had a quick tot up of Family wealth and income as of today and looking forward into 2022 , net worth House, pensions, cash and crypto (ignoring "stuff" i.e cars, jewellery, electronics, furniture, etc) is about £2.3m , family income is now currently about £130k p/a gross. Where that puts us worldwide or just UK not sure, maybe top 5%? If we get 21st century GFC 2 that could all easily drop by 50-70% quickly though, as very little wealth is in cash. But then not being in cash means the wealth rises very nicely with inflation and money printing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
byron78 Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 1 hour ago, GregBowman said: I think you will find its nearer to 20k according to the RHA and IR 35 has had a bigger impact but hey don't let that get in the way of living in the past I'm living in the past right now. Specifically the 1970s. Thanks Farage! RHA laying it out here (not just 20K): https://www.rha.uk.net/news/news-blogs-and-press-releases/news-updates/detail/-it-will-take-at-least-18-months-to-train-100-000-hgv-drivers- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
byron78 Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Insane said: The EU has a shortage as well So are you saying the EU is crumbling. They're so short Hoyer have just sent over 5K EU drivers to help us out. And the EU army we were all warned about is doing deliveries out there, as well. Right? Jesus wept. The shambles of a government's propaganda isn't going to save us now. Why keep swallowing it? Edited October 2, 2021 by byron78 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winkie Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 1 hour ago, Insane said: The EU has a shortage as well So are you saying the EU is crumbling. Never enough, by them 'crumbling' does that make you feel better?.....no shortage of petrol or food, shops full of everything could want for and more.......the UK should be exactly the same, no reason why there should be problems with supply..... industry has been warning in recent weeks that the situation will deteriorate if there was no plan of action to mitigate loss of workers in all sorts of occupations.....I would like to think we did not sit back and do nothing until we were forced to do something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenelby Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 Regardless of the shambles of this current government the crisis is a result of panic buying. Like a ‘run on a bank’ no country could cope with everyone filling up their cars at the same time. It’s not how the system works. I haven’t seen many shortages in the shops round here but I’ve had problems getting hold of laptops, deliveries being put back by another 3 months. But I think that is a global issue. Germany has closed one of its car factories until 2022 due to shortages and I doubt that is down to their Government or Brexit. You cannot solve problems unless you try to identify the causes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insane Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 27 minutes ago, byron78 said: Jesus wept. The shambles of a government's propaganda isn't going to save us now. Why keep swallowing it? Well you have swallowed the made up crisis , then again go on to tell others not to do the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insane Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 13 minutes ago, winkie said: Never enough, by them 'crumbling' does that make you feel better?.....no shortage of petrol or food, shops full of everything could want for and more.......the UK should be exactly the same, no reason why there should be problems with supply..... industry has been warning in recent weeks that the situation will deteriorate if there was no plan of action to mitigate loss of workers in all sorts of occupations.....I would like to think we did not sit back and do nothing until we were forced to do something Have you been across all the EU nations and checked in every shop to make sure there are no shortages ? NO. There are no shortages in the UK the Petrol Problem is a made up Panic see the post from Lenelby above. You say " industry has been warning in recent weeks that the situation will deteriorate if there is no plan to action to mitigate loss of workers in all sorts of occupations " You mean Industry wants Cheap Labour to flood back into the UK. Yes we need to do something about the shortage of workers , let me give you an idea Maybe we should stop people with children working part time and making their wages up with over generous tax credits , at present in so many cases two people fill one job. We could fill two jobs with those two people. I don't think you would go for that though would you as your quite happy to let single Mums kick out six kids live on Benefits and then complain that we have not got enough workers. As you asked the situation in the EU does not make me fell better , but I will ask you are you feeling better that we have a few problems right now and Industry is calling for imported Cheap Labour. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winkie Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 5 minutes ago, Lenelby said: Regardless of the shambles of this current government the crisis is a result of panic buying. Like a ‘run on a bank’ no country could cope with everyone filling up their cars at the same time. It’s not how the system works. I haven’t seen many shortages in the shops round here but I’ve had problems getting hold of laptops, deliveries being put back by another 3 months. But I think that is a global issue. Germany has closed one of its car factories until 2022 due to shortages and I doubt that is down to their Government or Brexit. You cannot solve problems unless you try to identify the causes. Come on.....it is worry that will not be able to get to work, go about doing own business, have sufficient for the job in hand, get somewhere and get back....thousands of litres must have been wasted by people searching and queuing for petrol, that is not good for the economy thousands wasting time waiting to fill up in the only station they see might have some by the time they reach the pump.....a proper shambles indeed. During lockdown less fuel was used, coming out of lockdown millions more litres will be used, more deliveries required.....common sense. Lack of training since 2016 when we chose to leave the EU, dvla not up to capacity and no driving tests available...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winkie Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 5 minutes ago, Insane said: Have you been across all the EU nations and checked in every shop to make sure there are no shortages ? NO. There are no shortages in the UK the Petrol Problem is a made up Panic see the post from Lenelby above. You say " industry has been warning in recent weeks that the situation will deteriorate if there is no plan to action to mitigate loss of workers in all sorts of occupations " You mean Industry wants Cheap Labour to flood back into the UK. Yes we need to do something about the shortage of workers , let me give you an idea Maybe we should stop people with children working part time and making their wages up with over generous tax credits , at present in so many cases two people fill one job. We could fill two jobs with those two people. I don't think you would go for that though would you as your quite happy to let single Mums kick out six kids live on Benefits and then complain that we have not got enough workers. As you asked the situation in the EU does not make me fell better , but I will ask you are you feeling better that we have a few problems right now and Industry is calling for imported Cheap Labour. My observations are that there is nothing in the news or media to say there is any problems with shortage of supply in shops or in fuel stations......if you know otherwise be interested. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
byron78 Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 26 minutes ago, Insane said: Well you have swallowed the made up crisis , then again go on to tell others not to do the same. It's not made up. Someone has made up that it's made up. Not sure why you'd believe it was made up mind. Only have to queue for traffic or chat to someone working in a petrol station to know how bad it is. Army to the rescue, apparently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insane Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 1 minute ago, winkie said: My observations are that there is nothing in the news or media to say there is any problems with shortage of supply in shops or in fuel stations......if you know otherwise be interested. My observations are that there was no shortage of Petrol here but the Petrol Stations ran out due to panic buying. Last night 5 Petrol Stations I visited had no fuel today they all have plenty and there are no queues as everyone topped up which created the panic today no one needs to buy Petrol. PANIC NOW OVER. Do you think our Anti - Brexit Media is going to tell us if the EU were having problems , give you a tip take what the news and media say with a pinch of salt. One or two items have been missing in the shops recently , a few supply chains have broken due to Covid, creating havoc , overall the UK has handled the situation well but some people do like to make a crisis out of a first world problem and scream the Sky is Falling in I would put you in that category. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
byron78 Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 28 minutes ago, Lenelby said: Regardless of the shambles of this current government the crisis is a result of panic buying. Like a ‘run on a bank’ no country could cope with everyone filling up their cars at the same time. It’s not how the system works. I haven’t seen many shortages in the shops round here but I’ve had problems getting hold of laptops, deliveries being put back by another 3 months. But I think that is a global issue. Germany has closed one of its car factories until 2022 due to shortages and I doubt that is down to their Government or Brexit. You cannot solve problems unless you try to identify the causes. Absolutely ENORMOUS increase in import costs, apparently. I'm told it's been above five fold. Huge inflation incoming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insane Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 Just now, byron78 said: Not sure why you'd believe it was made up mind. Only have to queue for traffic or chat to someone working in a petrol station to know how bad it is. Five Petrol stations visited last night none had Petrol , today all five have Petrol no queues as everyone topped up in the made up panic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insane Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 1 minute ago, byron78 said: Absolutely ENORMOUS increase in import costs, apparently. I'm told it's been above five fold. Increases of five fold for what ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
byron78 Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 1 minute ago, Insane said: Increases of five fold for what ? Shipping containers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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