The Masked Tulip Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 Obviously the police are in on it. Only if you are a whack-job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happy_renting Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 And they called the Police station that the woman rang just in case she made a phone call? Sounds reasonable. Let's wait to see Alex Jones' definitive take on the matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
libspero Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 They've got the black box apparently so we'll probably know quite soon what was the likely cause. In the mean time, since we're guessing, I'm going to go with either deliberate event caused by one of the pilots, or total engine failure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccc Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 There is nothing to indicate that the aircraft was intact during its 8 minute descent. Did it not send accurate signals to enable the nice graphs to be produced everyone is looking at ? That's not going to happen if the plane is in pieces. And if so - whatever was sending them would be falling at a rather faster rate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccc Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 Another thing - there will always be at least 5 people on a plane like that with their phones on. Would they get a signal to send a message ? 8 minutes is lots of time if you know something is happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Masked Tulip Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 Did it not send accurate signals to enable the nice graphs to be produced everyone is looking at ? That's not going to happen if the plane is in pieces. And if so - whatever was sending them would be falling at a rather faster rate. Could have been big pieces. But who knows. Time will tell. As for now, 150 people who were alive this morning are dead now - and their loved ones are in a world of grief. Awful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thecrashingisles Posted March 24, 2015 Author Share Posted March 24, 2015 This is how it went down. http://m.lavenir.net/cnt/dmf20150324_00622713 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnionTerror Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 They've got the black box apparently so we'll probably know quite soon what was the likely cause. In the mean time, since we're guessing, I'm going to go with either deliberate event caused by one of the pilots, or total engine failure. Even if it was total engine failure, surely they'd still have enough height to glide to a nearby airport.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
libspero Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 Even if it was total engine failure, surely they'd still have enough height to glide to a nearby airport.. Honestly don't know.. But my logic was a fully fuelled, fully loaded passenger jet probably doesn't have great glide characteristics, but might explain the "controlled" descent while they tried to get them restarted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnionTerror Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 Honestly don't know.. But my logic was a fully fuelled, fully loaded passenger jet probably doesn't have great glide characteristics, but might explain the "controlled" descent while they tried to get them restarted. An empty plane (such as the Gimli Glider) had a ratio of 12:1... This plane wouldn't be fully laden.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gimli_Glider The aircraft lost 5,000 feet (1,500 m) in 10 nautical miles (19 km; 12 mi), giving a glide ratio of approximately 12:1. It could have possibly made Marseille..but hey, its all circumstantial... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccc Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 Could have been big pieces. But who knows. Time will tell. As for now, 150 people who were alive this morning are dead now - and their loved ones are in a world of grief. Awful. Even a plane in big pieces is going to fall mighty fast though. But yes pretty brutal for all involved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuG III Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 Putin did it with his new bombers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccc Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 Honestly don't know.. But my logic was a fully fuelled, fully loaded passenger jet probably doesn't have great glide characteristics, but might explain the "controlled" descent while they tried to get them restarted. They can glide for hundreds of miles with no engines on. Its a actually pretty interesting that a plane which has both engines breaking down at the same time - offers a pretty decent chance of walking away from. (See Azores as an example) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnionTerror Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 They can glide for hundreds of miles with no engines on. Its a actually pretty interesting that a plane which has both engines breaking down at the same time - offers a pretty decent chance of walking away from. (See Azores as an example) Indeed, that was another one I could have cited...although different model planes will have different characteristics, so its not always that cut & dried... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccc Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 Indeed, that was another one I could have cited...although different model planes will have different characteristics, so its not always that cut & dried... Yes I am far from an expert !! I am pretty sure any large plane can glide for a pretty long way from a high altitude though. I am actually quite staggered how few planes crash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuggets Mahoney Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 Not a subject I claim to know very much about but aren't A320s Fly-by-Wire, no manual alternative? If the computer/ sensors suffer a catastrophic fault there wouldn't be very much the crew could do, would there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happy_renting Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 A quite different data profile from another online source. Which makes me question the veracity of any 'live' onlie flight data source. Edit: 'onlie'. Perhaps an apposite Freudian slip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Eagle Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 The A320 is fully fly-by-wire. An EMP like event would have disabled all electrics, shut off all engines and made the plane completely uncontrollable, therefore causing it to glide towards the ground. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Eagle Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 If the computer/ sensors suffer a catastrophic fault there wouldn't be very much the crew could do, would there? On an A320 there are 7 computers controlling each other (7 times redundancy) so such a thing should never happen, unless caused by an external EMP-like event... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnionTerror Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 Yes I am far from an expert !! I am pretty sure any large plane can glide for a pretty long way from a high altitude though. I am actually quite staggered how few planes crash. A quite different data profile from another online source. Which makes me question the veracity of any 'live' onlie flight data source. So it hit the ground at 400 knots? I wonder if its a rudder problem...although it would most likely go into a spiral dive... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happy_renting Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 The A320 is fully fly-by-wire. An EMP like event would have disabled all electrics, shut off all engines and made the plane completely uncontrollable, therefore causing it to glide towards the ground. Why are you positing EMP as a cause? Bizarre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Eagle Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 Why are you positing EMP as a cause? Bizarre. Can you think of any other cause that could take out the whole fly-by-wire system all at once (with 7-fold redundancy)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happy_renting Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 Can you think of any other cause that could take out the whole fly-by-wire system all at once (with 7-fold redundancy)? But there is no evidence that the whole fly-by-wire system was taken out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Eagle Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 But there is no evidence that the whole fly-by-wire system was taken out. Sure, but the way the plane descended makes it look like a strong possibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Masked Tulip Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 Eyewitnesses, according to various media reports, say that the aircraft flew towards the mountain. That implies horizontal, or near enough horizontal, flight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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