interestrateripoff Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 Not a complete list on my part For example, the claim that he was the holy begotten Son of God sent to Earth to redeem us from our collective guilt for someone eating an apple at the beginning of time slipped my mind for some reason. And yet Americans love Apple pie.. That story has always puzzled me, why would gaining knowledge be seen as bad? I think you can easily twist the story around and it was God encouraging man to seek knowledge and break out of jail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloo Loo Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 snip As it happens, many religious folk, Christian or otherwise, seem to actually like believing internally inconsistent things and four internally inconsistent gospels are just fine. course they do. rather than a god that gave Adam total freedom EXCEPT to eat from the tree, they think God made it hard to understand what it wants us to do god wouldnt do such a thing...he gave 10 commandments...The Church turned that into a book 10,000 tablets long and made it a cause for lifelong careers study and devotion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichM Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 Bart Ehrman, an atheist/agnostic NT historian is pretty clear that Jesus was a historical character. As Jesus makes very regular references to the "OT" scripture and moral code, his teaching probably isn't that "radical"; the golden rule is taken from the OT, and most prophets accuse Judah or Israel of being too greedy or showing insufficient care for the poor. Most OT "heroes" are morally compromised in many ways - David of course, but also Solomon, Moses, etc etc. The universality of sinfulness, the appeals to a sincere humble non-judgemental faith are The radical departure that Jesus makes is his description of himself as "the Son of Man", a clear reference to the vision of the Messiah given in Daniel, several centuries BC. The Roman and Jewish authorities may well have been threatened by his ministry, but this is hardly a hidden message, the gospels and acts are all about this. The big problem is why did an otherwise utterly monotheistic middle Eastern cult - i.e. Judaism - suddenly embrace a divine Son of God in reasonable numbers, rather than simply writing Yeshua off as a prophet, murdered like so many others (e.g. John the Baptist, Isaiah)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuggets Mahoney Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 And yet Americans love Apple pie.. That story has always puzzled me, why would gaining knowledge be seen as bad? I think you can easily twist the story around and it was God encouraging man to seek knowledge and break out of jail. Bear in mind that for fundamentalist Christians the Bible is a 100% factually accurate document, proof-read by God, and not allegorical in any way. So, in their case, we really are talking about an apple (edit: OK, strictly speaking, not necessarily an apple, but a piece of unspecified fruit) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DTMark Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 Bear in mind that for fundamentalist Christians the Bible is a 100% factually accurate document, proof-read by God, and not allegorical in any way. So, in their case, we really are talking about an apple (edit: OK, strictly speaking, not necessarily an apple, but a piece of unspecified fruit) I feel sure I read once, but cannot cite the source, that 57% of Americans (Catholic?) believe everything in the Bible to be true; that it is, in essence, a non-fiction reference work of fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuggets Mahoney Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 I feel sure I read once, but cannot cite the source, that 57% of Americans (Catholic?) believe everything in the Bible to be true; that it is, in essence, a non-fiction reference work of fact. Hell, no. Catholicism is much is much more complicated and ****ed up than that. Evangelical protestants mostly. Baptists, that sort of thing. The big problem is why did an otherwise utterly monotheistic middle Eastern cult - i.e. Judaism - suddenly embrace a divine Son of God in reasonable numbers, rather than simply writing Yeshua off as a prophet, murdered like so many others (e.g. John the Baptist, Isaiah)? The bodily resurrection thing does give the Jesus as a murdered prophet narrative a little extra je ne sais quoi. Acknowledge him as a non-divine murdered prophet and then we're talking Islam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newbonic Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 Seems unlikely ... But the Romans - principally Constantine in the 4th century AD - did invent a lot of the bible story, notably the fairytale elements like the Christmas story we know today. It was (it seemed at the time) a stroke of political genius, turning a very dangerous cult into something cuddly and bringing it in from the cold to the mainstream.... As Seneca the Younger wrote in the 1st century BCE: "Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by rulers as useful" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrPin Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 As Seneca the Younger wrote in the 1st century BCE: "Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by rulers as useful" Blessed are the Ammonites, for they are wise! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happy_renting Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 Gosh, I used to work directly for God, no Church or Bishops in the way! You worked for Goldman Sachs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happy_renting Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 And yet Americans love Apple pie.. That story has always puzzled me, why would gaining knowledge be seen as bad? I think you can easily twist the story around and it was God encouraging man to seek knowledge and break out of jail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccc Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 So is the Bible a sort of old school Homes under the hammer ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happy_renting Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 I thought the jehovahs were the modern day version of the Romans, much like birds are modern day dinosaurs. Dinosaurs... dem fun-da-mentalists have an an answer (and sign) for everything... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrPin Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 Dinosaurs... dem fun-da-mentalists have an an answer (and sign) for everything... Could that possibly because, even Noah was a bit too young to see dinosaurs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happy_renting Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 Could that possibly because, even Noah was a bit too young to see dinosaurs? But in Biblical times, dinosaurs were farmed and milked for their oil! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccc Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 Burds are a bit like dinosaurs. Especially that Rex one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest eight Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 I defy anybody to argue with that logic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrPin Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 You worked for Goldman Sachs? Fraid not! I worked in "bonking", not in "banking"! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuggets Mahoney Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 On the subject of making Jesus who you want him to be... A scene from the Gospel of Luke... While he was still speaking a crowd came up, and the man who was called Judas, one of the Twelve, was leading them. He approached Jesus to kiss him, but Jesus asked him, “Judas, are you betraying the Son of Man with a kiss?”. When Jesus’ followers saw what was going to happen, they said, “Lord, should we strike with our swords?” And one of them struck the servant of the high priest, cutting off his right ear.But Jesus answered, “No more of this!” And he touched the man’s ear and healed him. The Saxon version, as told in the Heliand... ‘Christ the chieftain is captured, Peter the mighty soldier defends him boldly’.‘Christ’s warrior companions saw warriors coming up the mountain making a great din Angry armed men. Judas the hate filled man was showing them the way. The enemy clan, the Jews, were marching behind. The warriors marched forward, the grim Jewish army, until they had come to the Christ. There he stood, the famous chieftain. Christ’s followers, wise men deeply distressed by this hostile action Held their position in front. They spoke to their chieftain, ‘My Lord chieftain’, they said, ‘if it should now Be your will that we be impaled here under spear points Wounded by their weapons then nothing would be so good to us as to die here Pale from mortal wounds for our chieftain’. Then he got really angry Simon Peter, the mighty, noble swordman flew into a rage. His mind was in such turmoil he could not speak a single word. His heart became intensely bitter because they wanted to tie up his Lord there. So he strode over angrily, that very daring Thane, to stand in front of his commander Right in front of his Lord. No doubting in his mind, no fearful hesitation in his chest he drew his blade And struck straight ahead at the first man of the enemy with all the strength in his hands So that Malchus was cut and wounded on the right side by the sword. His ear was chopped off. He was so badly wounded in the head that his cheek and ear burst open with the mortal wound Blood gushed out, pouring from the wound. The men stood back; they were afraid of the slash of the sword. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrPin Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 On the subject of making Jesus who you want him to be... A scene from the Gospel of Luke... The Saxon version... I do like a Fighting Jesus! That's far better than the *****y one that did ****** all! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
porca misèria Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 I do like a Fighting Jesus! That's far better than the *****y one that did ****** all! The language appears to affirm its authenticity! But bear in mind, even the boring bible portrays Jesus as violent, when he took offence at the gift shop in the temple. I wonder how He would fare in a modern cathedral? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuggets Mahoney Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 I do like a Fighting Jesus! That's far better than the *****y one that did ****** all! Could it be that you are descended from Saxon Thanes MrPin? The Mongol Jesus is on record as saying '…to crush your enemies, to see them fall at your feet to take their horses and goods and hear the lamentation of their women. That is best.' OK, I made that last one up, but that appears to be permissible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrs Bear Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 Dinosaurs... dem fun-da-mentalists have an an answer (and sign) for everything... I remember the Saudi oil minister saying (back in the 70s?) that Allah had given them all that oil to reward them for being such good Muslims. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newbonic Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 I remember the Saudi oil minister saying (back in the 70s?) that Allah had given them all that oil to reward them for being such good Muslims. I wonder what he thought he'd given them all that sand for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest eight Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 I wonder what he thought he'd given them all that sand for? What do you think they make the oil out of? They've got like this big turbine thing, shovel sand in one end, oil comes out the other. They mature it underground then suck it back up a few months later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrPin Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 Could it be that you are descended from Saxon Thanes MrPin? The Mongol Jesus is on record as saying '…to crush your enemies, to see them fall at your feet to take their horses and goods and hear the lamentation of their women. That is best.' I am descended from Vikings, but not recently! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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