FUKUSHIMA earthquake and tsunami thread and aftermath

[Tankus]

absolutely no mention of any evacuation ...but Renault make nice cars

[Scott Sando]

Don't worry thats all part of the design.

[Pent Up]

I assumed that uncovered fuel rods were a precursor to hydrogen explosions and so this 3rd reactor is actually one step behind the two that have already blown.

[chronyx]

Been interesting following this thread, but I am still none the wiser as to what's going on

[happy_renting]

Fluidized air bed very high temp powdered coal burners

Biomass burners methane burners from biomass , rapesils

Geothermal where possible

Hydro electric... loose a few more valleys

Tidal barriers....Severn wash Morecambe bay ...Tidal lagoons with wind

my fav which would also work well for Japan is a more localized small scale production linked to the national grid

Low head hydro electric micro turbines , a small weir , or in the case of Japan A reducing circumferential pipe , doesn't need an earthquake susceptible small dam

Tax incentive for small scale production , allow the sale of electricity to the national grid under a certain number of kWh 's tax free

reduction in consumption ...more things like ground heat exchange

wave ...and before you laugh look what the nuclear industry did to the results from the costings of the salter duck , some say it was a mistake , others say it was a lie over vested interests

If only half the money "invested" in the nuclear industry had gone into alternatives we would not be having this discussion , trouble is , alternatives don't give a bomb

For our immediate future , thanks to browns utter incompetence at long term planning as opposed to political short termism, Its already too late for Nucs in the UK to prevent future rationing .... Its going to have to be LPG turbines shafted to a generator in a shed , off the shelf

Tax incentive for small scale production , allow the sale of electricity to the national grid under a certain number of kWh 's tax free

Japan's lost 20% of its production capacity , brownouts and rolling blackouts are going to become standard practice for quite some time , You can be the sales of small generators are going to go up , and small scale electrical production ...

What's the bet that in 5 years they are going to be the world leader in this type of electrical production ?

The disasters were the earthquake and tsunami. The reactors containment has done what it was intended to do (so far) with some loss of low-level radioactivity.

Some of the near-hysterical posts here have already declared another Chernobyl. All power generation has inherent hazards, variously of pollution, explosion, contamination, environmental damage, etc. What is needed is an objective weighing up of the facts, not panic declarations of TEOTWAWKI that some people seem to be making.

Are you sure that hydro-electric power is safer in the same circumstances of an earthquake? Read this. It is likely to have killed a lot more people than the reactors.

[fellow]

I suggest this is what happens when a Japanese reactor melts down

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dx6IS0vrZOk&feature=player_embedded#at=14

Bye, Bye, US 7th fleet.

Anyone who thinks that was a hydrogen pressure release is deluded. It is only a matter of time before reactor 2 goes the same way.

[Scott Sando]

BBC now, reactor 2 almost empty.

[Bloo Loo]

Anyone who thinks that was a hydrogen pressure release is deluded. It is only a matter of time before reactor 2 goes the same way.

And from the moneyweek daily email:

yes its the number two article:

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[Scott Sando]

Anyone who thinks that was a hydrogen pressure release is deluded. It is only a matter of time before reactor 2 goes the same way.

Check out the black plume, its totally different to yesterdays explosion. But don't worry this reactor is designed that way.

[Tankus]

The disasters were the earthquake and tsunami. The reactors containment has done what it was intended to do (so far) with some loss of low-level radioactivity.

Some of the near-hysterical posts here have already declared another Chernobyl. All power generation has inherent hazards, variously of pollution, explosion, contamination, environmental damage, etc. What is needed is an objective weighing up of the facts, not panic declarations of TEOTWAWKI that some people seem to be making.

Are you sure that hydro-electric power is safer in the same circumstances of an earthquake? Read this. It is likely to have killed a lot more people than the reactors.

Dams only for the UK... low head micro turbines for earthquake areas don't need dams or even weirs , just a reducing pipe and some hight

my fav which would also work well for Japan is a more localized small scale production linked to the national grid

Low head hydro electric micro turbines , a small weir , or in the case of Japan A reducing circumferential pipe , doesn't need an earthquake susceptible small dam

[fellow]

Check out the black plume, its totally different to yesterdays explosion. But don't worry this reactor is designed that way.

It looks like a volcanic eruption with a huge amount of material ejected into the air. I can only think of one thing that would cause this.

[Guest_FaFa!_*]

Anyone who thinks that was a hydrogen pressure release is deluded. It is only a matter of time before reactor 2 goes the same way.

Check out the black plume, its totally different to yesterdays explosion. But don't worry this reactor is designed that way.

Out of curiosity, what expertise do either of you have regarding nuclear power plants?

[Hyperduck Quack Quack]

Watching the video of the no.3 reactor explosion, it seems there's a flash and small explosion first, in the top of the building, which could be the hydrogen explosion, followed by what appears to be an upwards steam explosion of great force.

[Once in a lifetime]

Radon is one of the biggest radiation risks in this country.

It can seep up through the ground and unless a house is ventilated properly you can get some dangerously high levels build up in your home without you knowing.

More info here from the HPA. http://ukradon.org/

Yeah, they won't build nuclear power stations in Cornwall because of it.

those people are already swimming in high dosage of radiation.

any radiational leak would energize radon gas further.

As does electric pylons.

[bogbrush]

The disasters were the earthquake and tsunami. The reactors containment has done what it was intended to do (so far) with some loss of low-level radioactivity.

Some of the near-hysterical posts here have already declared another Chernobyl. All power generation has inherent hazards, variously of pollution, explosion, contamination, environmental damage, etc. What is needed is an objective weighing up of the facts, not panic declarations of TEOTWAWKI that some people seem to be making.

Hey, some people love a drama; you can see it in the increasingly apocalyptic one-liners that have nothing to do with reports and everything to do with being the one who makes the big "announcement".

It's no lose of course, because once it all calms down there'll be plenty of internet sources showing the Pacific Ocean is now glowing in the dark.

[Scott Sando]

It looks like a volcanic eruption with a huge amount of material ejected into the air. I can only think of one thing that would cause this.

I know, and reactor 2 is empty, try flooding that with sea water and it will blow like a bit"h

Edited March 14, 2011 by Scott Sando

[mfp123]

I assumed that uncovered fuel rods were a precursor to hydrogen explosions and so this 3rd reactor is actually one step behind the two that have already blown.

it sounds worse.

if at this third one if there is no cooling, it will meltdown, and melt out of the nuclear vessel.

there is some debate about how secure the containment buidling is, but if it reaches this, make no mistake, this is the last line of defence.

any kind of breach of this means a full scale radiation leak.

Edited March 14, 2011 by mfp123

[bogbrush]

It looks like a volcanic eruption with a huge amount of material ejected into the air. I can only think of one thing that would cause this.

And what is that?

[mfp123]

can i just say its been mentioned that the outer bulding is designed to blow outwards if there is too much pressure, like they have done, so that they do not damage the inner building and reactor core.

[Scott Sando]

Hey, some people love a drama; you can see it in the increasingly apocalyptic one-liners that have nothing to do with reports and everything to do with being the one who makes the big "announcement".

It's no lose of course, because once it all calms down there'll be plenty of internet sources showing the Pacific Ocean is now glowing in the dark.

Case study in Normalcy bias

The normalcy bias refers to a mental state people enter when facing a disaster. It causes people to underestimate both the possibility of a disaster occurring and its possible effects. This often results in situations where people fail to adequately prepare for a disaster, and on a larger scale, the failure of the government to include the populace in its disaster preparations. The assumption that is made in the case of the normalcy bias is that since a disaster never has occurred that it never will occur. It also results in the inability of people to cope with a disaster once it occurs. People with a normalcy bias have difficulties reacting to something they have not experienced before. People also tend to interpret warnings in the most optimistic way possible, seizing on any ambiguities to infer a less serious situation.

[bogbrush]

Case study in Normalcy bias

The normalcy bias refers to a mental state people enter when facing a disaster. It causes people to underestimate both the possibility of a disaster occurring and its possible effects. This often results in situations where people fail to adequately prepare for a disaster, and on a larger scale, the failure of the government to include the populace in its disaster preparations. The assumption that is made in the case of the normalcy bias is that since a disaster never has occurred that it never will occur. It also results in the inability of people to cope with a disaster once it occurs. People with a normalcy bias have difficulties reacting to something they have not experienced before. People also tend to interpret warnings in the most optimistic way possible, seizing on any ambiguities to infer a less serious situation.

So basically if you don't sh1t yourself and run around hugging strangers whilst screaming "it's all over", there's something wrong with you?

And normal behaviour is to sit on an internet forum for 24 hours straight typing increasingly hysterical stuff along with another group of equally uninformed people, all the time competing to see who can capture the true essence of the panic in one, easy sentence that they think will get them remembered.

I think I'm forwarding your post to the Daily Mash.

[Guest_FaFa!_*]

Case study in Normalcy TFH bias

The normalcy TFH bias refers to a mental state people enter when facing a disaster. It causes people to underestimate overestimate both the possibility of a disaster occurring and its possible effects. This often results in situations where people fail to adequately prepare for a disaster understand what is happening, and on a larger scale, the failure of the government to include the populace in its disaster preparations get their information from youtube and random strangers on internet forums. The assumption that is made in the case of the normalcy TFH bias is that since a disaster never has occurred that it never will occur if it occurs we're all totally fecked. It also results in the inability of people to cope with a disaster once it occurs not actually been that bad, leading them to claim it is all a cover up by shape shifting lizards. People with a normalcy TFH bias have difficulties reacting to something they have not experienced before reality as it is not exciting enough for them. People also tend to interpret warnings in the most optimistic bat shit crazy way possible, seizing on any ambiguities to infer a less serious situation the coming of the four horsemen.

Let's face it. I don't know what is happening and neither do you. We are all going to have to keep our fingers crossed, wait and see.

[Scott Sando]

I don't think it is just that. It is also the fact that authorities seem to value 'calm' and 'no panic' above correct information and the actions people may take as a result.

I agree with that aswell as I've said all along the japanese government can't deal with a massive refugee crisis right now. It has to lie for the greater good.

[Scott Sando]

So basically if you don't sh1t yourself and run around hugging strangers whilst screaming "it's all over", there's something wrong with you?

And normal behaviour is to sit on an internet forum for 24 hours straight typing increasingly hysterical stuff along with another group of equally uninformed people, all the time competing to see who can capture the true essence of the panic in one, easy sentence that they think will get them remembered.

I think I'm forwarding your post to the Daily Mash.

What are you here for then. Think you'll get remembered, eh, for your normalcy bias.

[mfp123]

Good job this house is in Hastings then.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1354253/For-sale-Bungalow-sea-views-bargain-99-950-pylon-thrown-in.html

wheres the pylon.

is this one of those where wally type pictures

edit: just spotted it.....