Everyone Will Get Vaccine Against Swine Flu

[Blue Warwick]

I was contacted today by our occupational health people and told that the company were as every year offering flu jabs to anyone who wants them. I asked the cost and was told around £5.

I then asked if they would protect from swine flu ( I did know the answer) and it was confirmed that it did not. I then asked sbout the swine flu vaccine. They told me that this will not be available privately. They have been told by the 'government' that it will only be available to front-line services and the extreme at risk groups. When and if it is given out more generally is unknown.

More worryingly, I then asked about the effects of having the normal jab followed by the swine flu one. Could there be any consequences of doing so? The reply was "I am only a nurse I will have to go and see a doctor to get that information, but we ususlly do not like giving vaccinations too close together as there can be complications".

One to ponder.

[MOP]

The latest from Swine-flu Villas is I now have my antivirals - Relenza, not Tamiflu because I am pregnant.

It has taken three and a half days, about 8 phone calls and me threatening to call the papers to get it.

Reading the blurb, there is actually now little point in taking it as the virus has peaked and it is unlikely to help.

We are one month into this and I am a high-priority patient so come December, all the rest of you are on your own - I expect to see a high death rate and complete collapse in all health services and intend stock-piling asthma medication etc to deal with it and plenty of old towels for a home birth.

If any of you aren't scared yet you bloody well should be; what I've seen and heard this last 3 days has scared the pants off me.

I wonder if they are struggling in certain areas more than others? Or is this happening across the country?

[pete.hpc]

what I've seen and heard this last 3 days

wossat then?

[Seydel]

It is widely reported that the government has signed contracts with Glaxo SK and Baxter.

Baxter sent out a contaminated vaccine in February. A fact that's been suppressed, if not completely ignored (censored) by the UK mainstream media.

It's also widely reported that a swine flu vaccine produced by those cowboys will be tested for just five days. It'll be of no consequence to Peter Hun and other Daily Sport readers who'll hurry to be amongst the first in the queue for a jab but I think the rest of us need to exercise more than a little caution.

http://www.torontosun.com/news/canada/2009...27/8560781.html

Baxter: Product contained live bird flu virus

The company that released contaminated flu virus material from a plant in Austria confirmed Friday that the experimental product contained live H5N1 avian flu viruses.

And an official of the World Health Organization’s European operation said the body is closely monitoring the investigation into the events that took place at Baxter International’s research facility in Orth-Donau, Austria.

[Peter Hun]

all the rest of you are on your own - I expect to see a high death rate and complete collapse in all health services and intend stock-piling asthma medication etc to deal with it and plenty of old towels for a home birth.

If any of you aren't scared yet you bloody well should be; what I've seen and heard this last 3 days has scared the pants off me.

I totally agree with about the collapse of the health service. It will not and is not expected to be able to function in a pandemic Flu situation. Do not expect any sort of health service for several months.

Complaining now or later will make no difference, its impossible to build enough hospitals for the number of patients expected.

[Peter Hun]

It is widely reported that the government has signed contracts with Glaxo SK and Baxter.

Baxter sent out a contaminated vaccine in February. A fact that's been suppressed, if not completely ignored (censored) by the UK mainstream media.

It's also widely reported that a swine flu vaccine produced by those cowboys will be tested for just five days. It'll be of no consequence to Peter Hun and other Daily Sport readers who'll hurry to be amongst the first in the queue for a jab but I think the rest of us need to exercise more than a little caution.

http://www.torontosun.com/news/canada/2009...27/8560781.html

Baxter: Product contained live bird flu virus

The company that released contaminated flu virus material from a plant in Austria confirmed Friday that the experimental product contained live H5N1 avian flu viruses.

And an official of the World Health Organization’s European operation said the body is closely monitoring the investigation into the events that took place at Baxter International’s research facility in Orth-Donau, Austria.

Can you count?

Don't take the vaccine, don't take Tamiflu, good luck Sun readers.

[MOP]

Can you count?

Don't take the vaccine, don't take Tamiflu, good luck Sun readers.

Who said don't take Tamiflu? You are making stuff up again.

[Peter Hun]

Does this mean DYIV is an "idiot" doctor for questioning the vaccine before jumping in? (See post #57 for details)

It doesn't really make much difference as tens of MILLION's of people will have been vaccinated (and month's passed) before anyone here gets a choice in the matter.

A vaccine is the only real long term answer once Tamiflu becomes useless (99% of seasonal flu is now resistant). All drugs have risks so the best option is not to catch it; keep out of public places and avoid contact with anyone who doesn't.

A third of responders in the poll said they would not take a Vaccine in any circumstances. I think those can be happily classified as knuckle dragging morons, although they will probably change their mind in the future. How you could explain that a vaccine is safe to the rest is going to be difficult, even intelligent educated people seem to be unable to work out the risk factors.

Fortunately there will be plenty of opportunity to refuse vaccination, we will find which is the best option after the statistics come in next year.

[Peter Hun]

Who said don't take Tamiflu? You are making stuff up again.

12 children have committed suicide taking Tamiflu, therefore its VERY DANGEROUS.

Seriously, statistically its far more dangerous than vaccines and in fact that is one of the main reasons for the rush to a vaccine.

[Dunspeculatin]

I think a lot of you are overlooking what has become obvious to me over the past few days - it doesn't matter how many antivrals the govt has stockpiled or how quickly they get hold of a vaccine or even how many doses, they simply do not have the people needed to give the stuff out.

This weekend: NHS Direct - overwhelmed

Local doctors on call for weekend - overwhelmed

My own doctor's surgery - overwhelmed

This is July and with cases doubling, say, every month, will we even have a health service to speak of by September? Every able-bodied health professional will be bogged down in those with the virus and an equal number of frightened souls who think they might have the virus. I think worrying about side-effects of a vaccine not yet in production is a tad irrelevant.

[Guest Skinty]

I think a lot of you are overlooking what has become obvious to me over the past few days - it doesn't matter how many antivrals the govt has stockpiled or how quickly they get hold of a vaccine or even how many doses, they simply do not have the people needed to give the stuff out.

This weekend: NHS Direct - overwhelmed

Local doctors on call for weekend - overwhelmed

My own doctor's surgery - overwhelmed

This is July and with cases doubling, say, every month, will we even have a health service to speak of by September? Every able-bodied health professional will be bogged down in those with the virus and an equal number of frightened souls who think they might have the virus. I think worrying about side-effects of a vaccine not yet in production is a tad irrelevant.

I'm wondering whether there are alternative explanations here.

We know the government love to just write a cheque and set a target or two in preference to actually organising anything, words speak louder than action for them. So maybe they didn't put as much attention into making sure that the system could cope. Although we know that public institutions and offices up and down the country do have flu pandemic plans in place.

So a second alternative could be that the government actually do not have all the Tamiflu that they claim. How do we actually know?

Or maybe things are as bad as first suggested?

[MrsNoelEdmonds]

I think a lot of you are overlooking what has become obvious to me over the past few days - it doesn't matter how many antivrals the govt has stockpiled or how quickly they get hold of a vaccine or even how many doses, they simply do not have the people needed to give the stuff out.

This weekend: NHS Direct - overwhelmed

Local doctors on call for weekend - overwhelmed

My own doctor's surgery - overwhelmed

This is July and with cases doubling, say, every month, will we even have a health service to speak of by September? Every able-bodied health professional will be bogged down in those with the virus and an equal number of frightened souls who think they might have the virus. I think worrying about side-effects of a vaccine not yet in production is a tad irrelevant.

+1.

[Peter Hun]

I think a lot of you are overlooking what has become obvious to me over the past few days - it doesn't matter how many antivrals the govt has stockpiled or how quickly they get hold of a vaccine or even how many doses, they simply do not have the people needed to give the stuff out.

This weekend: NHS Direct - overwhelmed

Local doctors on call for weekend - overwhelmed

My own doctor's surgery - overwhelmed

This is July and with cases doubling, say, every month, will we even have a health service to speak of by September? Every able-bodied health professional will be bogged down in those with the virus and an equal number of frightened souls who think they might have the virus. I think worrying about side-effects of a vaccine not yet in production is a tad irrelevant.

QFT.

There will be no health service for the vast majority of suffers.

[General Melchett]

I'm wondering whether there are alternative explanations here.

We know the government love to just write a cheque and set a target or two in preference to actually organising anything, words speak louder than action for them. So maybe they didn't put as much attention into making sure that the system could cope. Although we know that public institutions and offices up and down the country do have flu pandemic plans in place.

So a second alternative could be that the government actually do not have all the Tamiflu that they claim. How do we actually know?

Or maybe things are as bad as first suggested?

LOL! Ok, so perhaps they can show invoices from the Pharma companies to show they bought it but, bearing in mind the hole the nations finances are in and other things like 2nd's equipment for the military, it's going to be like that scene from Catch 22: The nation rips open the first aid kit for it's anti-flu drugs and finds in IOU for 22 million doses of Tamiflu from Gordy Minderbender.

Cant find a clip from the film (that was ashocking scene), so, for those of you who've missed out on this essential and only know it as a 2 word catch phrase, an excerpt:

There was no morphine in the first-aid kit, no protection for Snowden against pain but the numbing shock of the gaping wound itself. The twelve syrettes of morphine had been stolen from their case and replaced by a cleanly lettered note that said: "What’s good for M & M Enterprises is good for the country. Milo Minderbinder."

[Guest portwinestain]

http://209.85.229.132/search?q=cache:bAe9w...=clnk&gl=uk

Swine flu 1976 killed 1, vaccine killed 25

Courtesy of the Los Angeles Times, a cautionary tale on pandemic panic.

As we worry about the latest outbreak of swine flu, Shari Roan of the LA Times looked back at the 1976 strain.

A soldier at Fort Dix died from that strain in March 1976. By October, there was a vaccine, which I and 40 million other Americans took.

“More than 500 people are thought to have developed Guillain-Barre syndrome after receiving the vaccine; 25 died. No one completely understands the causes of Guillain-Barre, but the condition can develop after a bout with infection or following surgery or vaccination. The federal government paid millions in damages to people or their families,†the LA Times reported.

The real problem was that there was a backlash against flu vaccinations, which may have led to the recent campaign against getting children vaccinated.

I refuse to panic, but I also refuse to dismiss the potential seriousness of this strain of flu out of hand. As Mark Twain observed: “The cat, having sat upon a hot stove lid, will not sit upon a hot stove lid again. But he won’t sit upon a cold stove lid, either.â€

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guillain-Barr%C3%A9_syndrome

[Guest portwinestain]

http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/07/11/supp...ine-flu-fiasco/

[Della]

Complaining now or later will make no difference, its impossible to build enough hospitals for the number of patients expected.

Not Impossible, it was done, there were extra hospitals to deal with infectious diseases, however they were closed in the 80s for efficiency reasons because people thought we had finally got rid of mass infectious diseases. The empty hospitals wards upkeep cost money.

[Della]

Bear-lite, two can play the conspiracy game. Your conspiracy theory against vaccination to me indicates you are a KGB/CIA/MI6/B&Q agent trying to make sure your virus planned conspiracy goes through to completion. You are probably sitting in a dungeon in the Lubianca typing into some evil CIA network laughing manically.

People who see conspiracies everywhere and in everything, like Alex Jones, are useless.

[MOP]

Not Impossible, it was done, there were extra hospitals to deal with infectious diseases, however they were closed in the 80s for efficiency reasons because people thought we had finally got rid of mass infectious diseases. The empty hospitals wards upkeep cost money.

I'm not sure if i've got this right, but from what I've heard we only have around 3300 intensive care beds in the UK, but around half are unsuitable for respiratory patients.

Anyone know more about this?

[Peter Hun]

Not Impossible, it was done, there were extra hospitals to deal with infectious diseases, however they were closed in the 80s for efficiency reasons because people thought we had finally got rid of mass infectious diseases. The empty hospitals wards upkeep cost money.

Ok, replace 'impossible' with 'economically unviable'.

I'm not sure if i've got this right, but from what I've heard we only have around 3300 intensive care beds in the UK, but around half are unsuitable for respiratory patients.

http://www.performance.doh.gov.uk/hospital...l_care_beds.htm

Well, there are a total of 3500 IC beds. Two thirds will be in use at one time and many are specialised use.

The number has increase since 2000 when there were 2500

[Tomlad]

This forum gets crazier and crazier.

It's quite ironic really. It started off as the place where the most sane went. It's now the reverse.

The consenus on this forum seems to be:

1)The chance of swine flu mutating, in the same way every other major flu pandemic has is nill.

2)The chances of the government being involved in some kind of conspiracy is very high.

That my friends, is not a sane consensus.

Someone earlier mentioned they / their kids had never had a vaccine for MMR and were fine. That person needs to look up herd immunity. Lucky for you the most of us had the jab.

The girls at my school have been given a HPV vaccine, which reduces the risk of cervical cancer greatly. One girl told me she was not having it. I asked her why, she said "my mum says its all just a big scam from the government, so I'm not getting it. I never get any jabs, they're a waste of time". What a risk to take with a young life.

[Johnny Storm]

The girls at my school have been given a HPV vaccine, which reduces the risk of cervical cancer greatly. One girl told me she was not having it. I asked her why, she said "my mum says its all just a big scam from the government, so I'm not getting it. I never get any jabs, they're a waste of time". What a risk to take with a young life.

Good example!!

http://www.naturalnews.com/report_HPV_Vaccine_0.html

(NaturalNews) For the last several years, HPV vaccines have been marketed to the public and mandated in compulsory injections for young girls in several states based on the idea that they prevent cervical cancer. Now, NaturalNews has obtained documents from the FDA and other sources (see below) which reveal that the FDA has been well aware for several years that Human Papilloma Virus (HPV) has no direct link to cervical cancer.

Didnt you know everything is a scam?

[Tomlad]

Good example!!

http://www.naturalnews.com/report_HPV_Vaccine_0.html

Didnt you know everything is a scam?

Right....because thats a valid source. There are masses of studies showing its effectivness:

http://www.cancerhelp.org.uk/help/default.asp?page=2755

http://www.ajc.com/health/content/shared-a...cer/628761.html

http://womenshealth.about.com/cs/cervicalc...ervcancercn.htm

plus loads more

[Johnny Storm]

Well you can equally find more that say its bad:-

http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&s...ccine&meta=

Its all a money thing. You wouldnt believe vested interests that house prices will go up again. But you'd believe drug companies that their latest drug is the best thing since sliced bread.

Anyway, Im sure the people here who dont want the vaccine are quite happy for the sheeple herd to get it.

[Tomlad]

Well you can equally find more that say its bad:-

http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&s...ccine&meta=

Its all a money thing. You wouldnt believe vested interests that house prices will go up again. But you'd believe drug companies that their latest drug is the best thing since sliced bread.

Anyway, Im sure the people here who dont want the vaccine are quite happy for the sheeple herd to get it.

Yeah lucky the "sheeple" are providing you with herd immunity...