babesagainstmachines Posted June 28, 2009 Share Posted June 28, 2009 This is a bit of an econophilosophical point, but .... There are lots of people on here who are willing to give benefit scroungers a good verbal bashing. Possibly rightly so. But hardly anyone ever suggests anything which will actually cure the problem. Kicking people off the dole or long term sick won't create any jobs. What are these people going to do for a living if you remove their benefits? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HPC001 Posted June 28, 2009 Share Posted June 28, 2009 This is a bit of an econophilosophical point, but ....There are lots of people on here who are willing to give benefit scroungers a good verbal bashing. Possibly rightly so. But hardly anyone ever suggests anything which will actually cure the problem. Kicking people off the dole or long term sick won't create any jobs. What are these people going to do for a living if you remove their benefits? Take a stroll over to a certain UK computer forum and you'll see it is much worse than here. As for removing benefits... maybe they should go ahead, a portion will become homeless and then the true extent of the problems will be revealed. At least there won't be a cop-out excuse for the council and charities this time... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minos Posted June 28, 2009 Share Posted June 28, 2009 Turn them into old fashioned Gladiators who fight to the death. We need our bread and circuses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minos Posted June 28, 2009 Share Posted June 28, 2009 Take a stroll over to a certain UK computer forum and you'll see it is much worse than here.As for removing benefits... maybe they should go ahead, a portion will become homeless and then the true extent of the problems will be revealed. At least there won't be a cop-out excuse for the council and charities this time... God will take care of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikhail Liebenstein Posted June 28, 2009 Share Posted June 28, 2009 This is a bit of an econophilosophical point, but ....There are lots of people on here who are willing to give benefit scroungers a good verbal bashing. Possibly rightly so. But hardly anyone ever suggests anything which will actually cure the problem. Kicking people off the dole or long term sick won't create any jobs. What are these people going to do for a living if you remove their benefits? Salt mines and gulags Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m4rk Posted June 28, 2009 Share Posted June 28, 2009 This is a bit of an econophilosophical point, but ....There are lots of people on here who are willing to give benefit scroungers a good verbal bashing. Possibly rightly so. But hardly anyone ever suggests anything which will actually cure the problem. Kicking people off the dole or long term sick won't create any jobs. What are these people going to do for a living if you remove their benefits? this is the problem. the system is the wrong way round. same as young teen mums getting houses and life paid for because they have a kid. they wouldnt have a kid if a house and the benifits wern't available. *obviously there are exceptions before someone comes on here and says blah blah blah im a single teen mum etc* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJJ Posted June 28, 2009 Share Posted June 28, 2009 I think the key to that will be in understanding where jobs come from. If we have people actually in need of an income, and things that people with money want done, the jobs miraculously blossom. Not saying I know how to facilitate this, but if someone with money (or some other transferable wealth) is willing to pay for something to be done, jobs exist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garry AKA Pod Posted June 28, 2009 Share Posted June 28, 2009 Take a stroll over to a certain UK computer forum and you'll see it is much worse than here.As for removing benefits... maybe they should go ahead, a portion will become homeless and then the true extent of the problems will be revealed. At least there won't be a cop-out excuse for the council and charities this time... Which one? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HPC001 Posted June 28, 2009 Share Posted June 28, 2009 (edited) God will take care of them. Ok, now the serious answer please? Given that there are 1 million people in temporary housing, eg B&B type places or hostels, and that their rent\living costs are either partially or fully covered by benefits... thats quite a large underclass emerging onto the streets. Which forum? Try here: http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/forumdisplay.php?f=12 Unfortunately they're too nazi to let you register with a hotmail\yahoo\etc email account so you'll need something like a work email in order to use the search function. Edited June 28, 2009 by HPC001 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cashinmattress Posted June 28, 2009 Share Posted June 28, 2009 This is a bit of an econophilosophical point, but ....There are lots of people on here who are willing to give benefit scroungers a good verbal bashing. Possibly rightly so. But hardly anyone ever suggests anything which will actually cure the problem. Kicking people off the dole or long term sick won't create any jobs. What are these people going to do for a living if you remove their benefits? I know that this social engineering project has been very well thought out, so... Cutting the dole off would create a huge crime wave, which would force the state to create many more police positions, enforcement regimes, bureaucracy and prisons. Putting a couple of packs of fags, cheap cider, and drugs in the hands of the majority scroungers is a heck of a lot cheaper than the aforementioned. It sucks, but the maths make sense. In previous ages, the state would just round up this rabble and send them off as front line soldiers and cannon fodder. We are stuck with them in our age unfortunately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minos Posted June 28, 2009 Share Posted June 28, 2009 this is the problem. the system is the wrong way round.same as young teen mums getting houses and life paid for because they have a kid. they wouldnt have a kid if a house and the benifits wern't available. *obviously there are exceptions before someone comes on here and says blah blah blah im a single teen mum etc* You be careful. A single mum will accuse you of being a supporter of men battering women. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HAMISH_MCTAVISH Posted June 28, 2009 Share Posted June 28, 2009 What are these people going to do for a living if you remove their benefits? Work???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babesagainstmachines Posted June 28, 2009 Author Share Posted June 28, 2009 Work???? Doing what? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Hovis Posted June 28, 2009 Share Posted June 28, 2009 Speaking as a single mother.... It is simple. Don't give money, give vouchers for speciifc things (clothes, food) that can only be used with photo id. This will cost more to administer short term but it will mean that a life on benefits becomes a lot less attractive. No booze, no fags, no drugs, no mobile phone, no downloads, no nightclubs. Still fancy it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minos Posted June 28, 2009 Share Posted June 28, 2009 Doing what? Wiping the asses of boomers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Britney's Piers Posted June 28, 2009 Share Posted June 28, 2009 Doing what? BTL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minos Posted June 28, 2009 Share Posted June 28, 2009 Speaking as a single mother....It is simple. Don't give money, give vouchers for speciifc things (clothes, food) that can only be used with photo id. This will cost more to administer short term but it will mean that a life on benefits becomes a lot less attractive. No booze, no fags, no drugs, no mobile phone, no downloads, no nightclubs. Still fancy it? Do you work? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babesagainstmachines Posted June 28, 2009 Author Share Posted June 28, 2009 Speaking as a single mother....It is simple. Don't give money, give vouchers for speciifc things (clothes, food) that can only be used with photo id. This will cost more to administer short term but it will mean that a life on benefits becomes a lot less attractive. No booze, no fags, no drugs, no mobile phone, no downloads, no nightclubs. Still fancy it? So when they decide that a life on the dole isn't great, what are they going to do for a living? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olebrum Posted June 28, 2009 Share Posted June 28, 2009 Doing what? +1 Guess we could open some slave factories like China. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eightiesgirly Posted June 28, 2009 Share Posted June 28, 2009 So when they decide that a life on the dole isn't great, what are they going to do for a living? Sadly a black market will develop within hours, I know women who used to sell the kids baby milk for fags. The other option open to them is robbery, prositution and lots of other anti social behaviours. We need to change the thinking behind not working and that's nearly impossible when many of our jobs are going to the far east. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winkie Posted June 28, 2009 Share Posted June 28, 2009 As a single mum, never married, never claimed a penny apart from child allowance...have never claimed a penny in benefits, and when I required some help from the council for childminding 10 years ago was told to give up my job and claim benefits....says it all IMO....needless to say I am thankful I declined to follow their advise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Parry Posted June 28, 2009 Share Posted June 28, 2009 Can I just make a point that those of us being branded 'scrounger bashers' are talking about the abuse of the system and not the use of the system. Critical difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Executive Sadman Posted June 28, 2009 Share Posted June 28, 2009 Just balance the budget. If govt was honest with people and set taxes to reflect spending people would vote for services to be restricted from what they want to what they need. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stormymonday_2011 Posted June 28, 2009 Share Posted June 28, 2009 Turn to crime which is the fastest, most direct and longest established means of redistributing wealth. Fact is the people who will be hit will not be burly young dole scroungers and their molls but the weak, the sick and the elderly. The British state is a coward at heart and always picks on those least likely to fight back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babesagainstmachines Posted June 28, 2009 Author Share Posted June 28, 2009 Can I just make a point that those of us being branded 'scrounger bashers' are talking about the abuse of the system and not the use of the system.Critical difference. That's why I called them scroungers. I agree. They are scrounging. But what jobs will magically appear when they stop? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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