Brighton Area

[Tired of Waiting]

What about the thousands of people living in tiny rented flats in Brighton on high private sector salaries and so bankrolling the country with families to support who cannot afford to pay £350,000 for a tiny terrace house with a small patio so their kids can play out?

I'd suggest people in the Public Sector with high mortgages put their houses on the market yesterday before the bank repo's it leaving them homeless and in debt for the rest of their lives, unless they declare bankruptcy.

People seem to be missing the point that there are NO winners in HPI, except a tiny percent of speculators (who have got out by now) and greedy johnny come latelys in their slipstream (waking up pretty soon). Either prices drop by 50% or we have a lost generation the talented of whom will emigrate relegating Britain to a 2nd world nation of the retired, unskilled and unemployed.

Good post ASE.

These "newbies" are cocky nowadays , aren't they?

[Tired of Waiting]

Yep. My brother mewed £12k to take his missus on a 6 month round the world holiday at the start of the year.

Really? You must be joking.

[s-p]

I used to think of Haywards Heath (and Burgess Hill) as a bit boring and lacking in nightlife, but I believe Haywards Heath has improved recently with a few new restaurants and pubs opening up in the centre. I think it's a pretty good place to bring up a family, and I guess the mainline station with fast trains to London is useful and will help it hold it's value better than other places. Villages like Lindfield tend to be pricey (village pond and all that).

As a resident of Lindfield, I can confirm the descriptions above. Both Haywards Heath and Burgess Hill are a little on the bland side. However, I highly suspect they're no different to any other small/medium commuter town.

Pros:

• Transport Links (Train to Brighton - 15 mins, London - 40 mins) - In fact, you'll struggle to find a better serviced station than Haywards Heath.

• Decent State Schools - At least they were 10 years ago when I was pupil!

• Quiet/Dull

Cons:

• Cost

• Quiet/Dull

It all depends on what you what from your local area though. For me personally, I wouldn't choose to live anywhere else. I have the peace and quiet when I want it (with decent pubs - only applies to Lindfield ), but I'm also within easy reach of major cities should I wish to do something a bit different. I just wish the prices of property would scale down to a reasonable level. Some of the properties in my radar are far more expensive than their 2007 peak. Damn frustrating as a FTB.

If you have any specific questions about the area, feel free to ask.

[schmunk]

As a resident of Lindfield, I can confirm the descriptions above.

And I'm in Cuckfield, just the other side of Haywards Heath. Also happy to help.

schmunk

[Tired of Waiting]

Hi guys, I've just posted this on the Forum's main section.

Landlords supported by Brighton's Green MP Caroline Lucas.

This morning, on "BBC Breakfast" TV, the Green MP from Brighton, Caroline Lucas (a supposedly "socialist" - she says so), was shown making a speech against the Government's proposed cap on Housing Benefits paid to landlords - LHA. (Sorry, I can't find a link to it on the "BBC Breakfast" page, or anywhere in that messy, cr@py BBC site.)

As most of us here know already, the previous system of paying the regional average rent (50 percentile) was in effect turning the previous average into the new floor, hence pushing up the new average. Repeat this every year, and you have a constant upward pressure on rents, to the cost of tax-payers and private tenants, and to the (great) benefit of landlords.

Very surprising then that a supposedly "socialist" MP is against the new proposed system of aiming LHA at the 30th percentile for 2 years, as the new system will reduce housing costs for millions of tenants - for both self-funding tenants, and tax-payers funded tenants.

My question is: can't she see this? Really? Is she really this thick? Or is she just playing demagogic, populist politics?

(Interestingly, I always had the same question for most Labour politicians, Brown included.)

[All Seeing Eye]

Lucas is my local MP and yes she is brain-dead. Every program she's on she espouses theories a 4 year old could see the obvious flaws in. The Groan party chop down endless trees as they deliver leaflets daily through your door full of total 100% nonsense/lies eg: claming "no cuts are needed" or how they'll stop the cuts in Brighton. Errr no you won't that'll be a central government dictat and UK is the most broke country in the G20 what you gonna do plant some magic beans to solve our trillion national debt. ROTFLMAO (if it weren't so sad, pathetic and deluded). Probably the main reason to leave Brighton as it's clearly numpty-tastic!

[i wanna house]

Lucas is my local MP and yes she is brain-dead. Every program she's on she espouses theories a 4 year old could see the obvious flaws in. The Groan party chop down endless trees as they deliver leaflets daily through your door full of total 100% nonsense/lies eg: claming "no cuts are needed" or how they'll stop the cuts in Brighton. Errr no you won't that'll be a central government dictat and UK is the most broke country in the G20 what you gonna do plant some magic beans to solve our trillion national debt. ROTFLMAO (if it weren't so sad, pathetic and deluded). Probably the main reason to leave Brighton as it's clearly numpty-tastic!

i think a large part of their winning was disillusionment with labour and fear of the tories.....

[repetitive bleats]

Really? You must be joking.

I wish i was.

[repetitive bleats]

Does anyone know anything of Haywards Heath or the villages near there ??

Really don't even think about it. if I do vaguely know you via the Bob Dobbs crew - then you're not the kind of person who will enjoy living in that suburban nightmare...

i lived in Burgess Hell and worked in Haywards Heath for almost a decade. Both are the kind of places where when you walk into a pub you get 'stared out' by kiddies who know that you are not from round there.. Just passing through the station on the way back from London is enough to make me cringe at the thought of working in Haywards Heath. In fact - you know the sign in the train toilet that says 'do not flush the toilet whilst the train is stationary'? I've had occasion to sit in quiet agony all on the train for 40 minutes just so that i could launch a turd on to the track at Haywards Heath.

[LiveAndLetBuy]

Really don't even think about it. if I do vaguely know you via the Bob Dobbs crew - then you're not the kind of person who will enjoy living in that suburban nightmare...

i lived in Burgess Hell and worked in Haywards Heath for almost a decade. Both are the kind of places where when you walk into a pub you get 'stared out' by kiddies who know that you are not from round there.. Just passing through the station on the way back from London is enough to make me cringe at the thought of working in Haywards Heath. In fact - you know the sign in the train toilet that says 'do not flush the toilet whilst the train is stationary'? I've had occasion to sit in quiet agony all on the train for 40 minutes just so that i could launch a turd on to the track at Haywards Heath.

I was briefly a bin man in both Burgess Hill and Haywards Heath 20 years ago (yes that early 90s recession was fun). I also worked in Burgess Hill for a few years in the late nineties and developed a similar hatred towards the place. I didn't find the pubs particularly threatening, just dull. However a mate drove taxis and said he regularly had to pick up p1ssed teenagers from outside The Junction in Wivelsfield at 1am, and there was always a huge ruck going on outside. The 11.30 pm train back to Burgess Hill from Brighton on a Friday night was also legendary.

Haywards Heath is more spread out and from what I rememeber even had some quite posh areas, so if you live in one of those you can be blissfully unaware of the crap areas. Not really the case in Burgess Hill. But if you're used to Brighton then both places would come as a bit of a shock.

[i wanna house]

Really don't even think about it. if I do vaguely know you via the Bob Dobbs crew - then you're not the kind of person who will enjoy living in that suburban nightmare...

i lived in Burgess Hell and worked in Haywards Heath for almost a decade. Both are the kind of places where when you walk into a pub you get 'stared out' by kiddies who know that you are not from round there.. Just passing through the station on the way back from London is enough to make me cringe at the thought of working in Haywards Heath. In fact - you know the sign in the train toilet that says 'do not flush the toilet whilst the train is stationary'? I've had occasion to sit in quiet agony all on the train for 40 minutes just so that i could launch a turd on to the track at Haywards Heath.

thanks....

i'll stay put then

but where do you go when you have had enough of brightons grime (well seagulls ripping open bin bags )

[i wanna house]

I was briefly a bin man in both Burgess Hill and Haywards Heath 20 years ago (yes that early 90s recession was fun). I also worked in Burgess Hill for a few years in the late nineties and developed a similar hatred towards the place. I didn't find the pubs particularly threatening, just dull. However a mate drove taxis and said he regularly had to pick up p1ssed teenagers from outside The Junction in Wivelsfield at 1am, and there was always a huge ruck going on outside. The 11.30 pm train back to Burgess Hill from Brighton on a Friday night was also legendary.

Haywards Heath is more spread out and from what I rememeber even had some quite posh areas, so if you live in one of those you can be blissfully unaware of the crap areas. Not really the case in Burgess Hill. But if you're used to Brighton then both places would come as a bit of a shock.

are you in this ?

http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=2661828

[whatcrash?]

Very smart guy with lots of money is trying to shift in bulk at good discount but no takers...most landlords are here to stay at any cost..but quiet a few are getting nervous again - auction should be interesting in Winter and no funny business this time all/most properties should be published no one is interested in offering a good price upfront .I'm not talking about the idiots that bought in the last four to five years - teacher, low management (they dont have the money and never really had) type they are still trying to talk up the market and not even covering the mortgage payments but think so clever - no I'm taking about clever clever money trying to shift or considering it! So I would not look outside I would stick around..it will bounce back in four to five years or the fall will not be as steep because brighton is the place to be. So if you have a nice deposit and a good job then you should be able to pick up something nice in the next couple of years or of course you could buy a palace in hastings but

But please be real prices max drop 20 -25% so if you cant afford that or earn enough then move or accept it harsh world and dont blame the landlords blame the council for not building enough and there generous housing allowance...brighton could easily do with five to ten thousand flats easily offer the next five years but all the arti type that already own there place start a facebook campaign as soon as somebody proposes to build something and if you are not happy about the high rents thats natural its called supply and demand - most of the demand does not pay the rent...YOU PAY THE RENT FOR THEM

[LiveAndLetBuy]

are you in this ?

http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=2661828

Nope (I can't play the air guitar I'm afraid - just don't have the talent)

[Tired of Waiting]

Hi guys,

I have a question regarding Rightmove.

It looks like in Brighton, out of 562 houses for sale (2 to 3 beds), only 9 were sold in the last 14 days.

But I am not sure if I am using Rightmove right. First I did this search, houses, 2-3 beds: http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/find.html?locationIdentifier=REGION^93554&minBedrooms=2&maxBedrooms=3&displayPropertyType=houses&oldDisplayPropertyType=houses . And I got 562 results. Then I limited it to the last 14 days, and got 150. Then I clicked to "Include sold STC", and it went up by 9 only, to 159.

Is this right, reliable? Any ideas?

Cheers

Edit: I mean: In the last 14 days, only 9 were sold, out of 562? Or 9 sold out of 150?

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Edit: I've just done a similar thing for Chichester (+1 mile) (my other possible target area), and got:

Total = 223. Last 14 days = 63. Include sold STC = 67.

Only 4 sold, out of 223. Is this normal?

Edited July 23, 2010 by Tired of Waiting

[LiveAndLetBuy]

Hi guys,

I have a question regarding Rightmove.

It looks like in Brighton, out of 562 houses for sale (2 to 3 beds), only 9 were sold in the last 14 days.

But I am not sure if I am using Rightmove right. First I did this search, houses, 2-3 beds: http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/find.html?locationIdentifier=REGION^93554&minBedrooms=2&maxBedrooms=3&displayPropertyType=houses&oldDisplayPropertyType=houses . And I got 562 results. Then I limited it to the last 14 days, and got 150. Then I clicked to "Include sold STC", and it went up by 9, to 159.

Is this right, reliable? Any ideas?

Cheers

___________________

Edit: I've just done a similar thing for Chichester (+1 mile) (my other possible target area), and got:

Total = 223. Last 14 days = 63. Include sold STC = 67.

Only 4 sold, out of 223. Is this normal?

I suspect it means that of the 150 properties that have gone on the market (or changed price) in the last 14 days, 9 have now gone SSTC.

[Tired of Waiting]

I suspect it means that of the 150 properties that have gone on the market (or changed price) in the last 14 days, 9 have now gone SSTC.

You mean 9 sold out of 150. And not 9 sold out of 562.

Is this it?

[5lab]

my house never appeared as 'SSTC' - it was there one day, wasn't the next. Same as next door. I'd not use it as a reliable bellweather of sold houses

however the figures aren't far off. Home.co.uk shows an average 30 houses a month sold. I'd imagine 2/3 of them are 2-3 bed? that gives 5 per week in BN2

http://www.home.co.uk/guides/house_prices_report.htm?location=bn2&lastyear=1

[LiveAndLetBuy]

You mean 9 sold out of 150. And not 9 sold out of 562.

Is this it?

Yes - although it seems rather a lot

Edited July 23, 2010 by LiveAndLetBuy

[Tired of Waiting]

Yes - although it seems rather a lot

That is my problem too. One number is too low, the other too high.

If it is only 9 out of 562, that is too low.

But if out of 150 properties listed in these past 14 days, 9 were sold already, in 14 days, that is too fast.

[LiveAndLetBuy]

That is my problem too. One number is too low, the other too high.

If it is only 9 out of 562, that is too low.

But if out of 150 properties listed in these past 14 days, 9 were sold already, in 14 days, that is too fast.

Do you use Poroperty Bee?

[Tired of Waiting]

Do you use Poroperty Bee?

Yes, I think we thought the same thing. I went through all STC that popped up in the 14 days search, and some of them were not first listed in the past 14 days, but all of them had at least something CHANGED in the past 14 days. So, unfortunately, that 14 days thing is useless. Sorry.

[LiveAndLetBuy]

Yes, I think we thought the same thing. I went through all STC that popped up in the 14 days search, and some of them were not first listed in the past 14 days, but all of them had at least something CHANGED in the past 14 days. So, unfortunately, that 14 days thing is useless. Sorry.

Yes Rightmove changed a few months back, and now when a property's price changes it appears as if it has just been added, even if it's been hanging around for ages. It's quite useful with Property Bee because if you search for "new" properties in the last few days or so, then you also get the older properies that have dropped their prices. However as you say it screws up the stats.

[5lab]

land reg is showing brighton as the fastest price growth outside of london - over 18% pa - £34,000 in a year (!) and just 5% off peak prices. 12 months to wipe out nearly 18 months of falls.

http://www1.landregistry.gov.uk/houseprices/housepriceindex/report/default.asp?step=4&locationType=0&area=Brighton+And+Hove&reporttype=1&datetype=1&from1=02%2F2007&from2=06%2F2010&image2.x=36&image2.y=1

gonna take a fair old drop to get us back down there.

[whatcrash?]

land reg is showing brighton as the fastest price growth outside of london - over 18% pa - £34,000 in a year (!) and just 5% off peak prices. 12 months to wipe out nearly 18 months of falls.

http://www1.landregistry.gov.uk/houseprices/housepriceindex/report/default.asp?step=4&locationType=0&area=Brighton+And+Hove&reporttype=1&datetype=1&from1=02%2F2007&from2=06%2F2010&image2.x=36&image2.y=1

gonna take a fair old drop to get us back down there.

You are correct...absolutly..i know somebody bought for 185 last year and sold for wait for it 245! after 1 year commited seller but still how much interest does a saver get! HOWEVER HOWEVER there is bad smell in the professional arena - everybody can smell but nobody wants to say the people that now what they are doing would not dream of buying anything! the numpties that bought in the last three to four still have a shock from last year and a few are considering selling to get out ! BUT BUT BUT THE REAL STUFF IS NOT SELLING I'M TAKING REAL MONEY ie the stuff that would never shows up on the land registery at all. So the smart money is unloading wait 3 months and they will push it on the main stream market because bulk is nice but if no takers then it gets risky. MY advise and I have made enough money not to care wait wait wait there will be a massive drop in the next 2 to 3 years I would say about 25% maximum no more because at that level professional will start to look at it again - if you think any more then that you live in fantasy world- Brighton is save due to location and everything else we are not a shity town but a major city with its fault granted but still 120K FOR A NICE FLAT1 BED WITH A SMALL GARDEN MAYBE IN A GOOD AREA BARGAIN you are a dreamer if you think it will fall lower then that or maybe you cant afford it and cant accept it! . So if you are thinking of buying and its between 20% to 25% down and you still dont buy ITS YOUR FAULT ..,..brighton will go down with the cuts but not as bad as other places! Brighton is sinking really badly..not enough children with mums and dads that pay their deposit and also no more teachers that get a buy to let mortage