Guest Shedfish Posted September 3, 2006 Share Posted September 3, 2006 brilliant, quality rant! best i can do on a solpadeine sunday: ... most popular pub in my home town is basically a licensed corridor 8 feet wide. the older tuskers have consolidated here in the hope of getting a seat near the loo so as to save on colostomy apparatus. wetherspoons - no anything at the bar apart from pushing. no music. my town centre local of 20 years plus has signed a deal with Satan's Karaoke Company... CCTVs, music scene equivalent to local radio in quality, sadly not in volume... two dire clubs. always been dire to be fair... then there's kebab alley... girls fighting, pierced fat wobbling... saxos with cardboard intakes... sick and chips become indistinguishable. i amuse myself by snapping the mobile CCTV vans on my phone (in a watching you watching me kind of way) and go home, which is yards away... they don't follow me. too busy keeping their dogs off the kebabs pissed and replete kebab shop victims file past for hours... sirens... fights... hey um ma ma wey life in a northern (ish) town (which is twinned with at least three others, that's just greed and social climbing) i've spent a lot of time in Italy over the last couple of years. opened my eyes. off to France and Germany with luck next weekend. might end up somewhere like that, if i can get a babelfish. and a job. might not ever look back. but i will need to find a good expat hamper site! (curry, crap squash, salty pepper spare ribs, various sauces, flapjacks, but not kebabs). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crash-and-burn Posted September 3, 2006 Share Posted September 3, 2006 I moved to the north-west from the midlands 6 months ago, and the chav's have increased 10 fold in number. I think some parts of Britain are better than others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pioneer31 Posted September 3, 2006 Share Posted September 3, 2006 (edited) Fred, Well I sympathise I really do, but I can't help but think that perhaps you would feel a bit happier down in Devon - as far as I am concerned it really is 'grim up north'...the South West of England is pretty special IMO, and not like the rest of England - just like Northern and Southern France are different. ...come down to Devon Fred...you would always be welcome at mine. Try and ignore the influx of moneyed-shits from London, and instead enjoy a still very real sense of locality and community. Remember, we may be Southerners, but we are as far away from London as you are. Unfortunately Devon and the South West is under assault from a gaggle of 'lifestyle' seeking sh1ts from the South East who are hell bent on destroying the very things they are coming down to Devon for (community, quiet, nice countryside etc..)...clutching their brand new 800 quid surfboards as they clog up the beaches, sending prices sky-high in housing as they greedily snap up properties in formerly quiet country villages. I'm from the NW and have moved to Devon in the last 12 mths. 'Grim up north' is a silly cliche. It depends where you go. Built up city areas ARE crap but places like the Lake District are a match for Devon any day of the week. What makes Devon attractive for me is the population density (the lack of it compared to the NW) and the fact that it doesn't rain every day. Sadly, the fact that this place isn't quite as ruined as some other parts of the UK means that House Prices are even more astronomical. SW wages are low, so you get all the London tossers buying 2nd,3rd,4th,5th,6th homes here. I always find it funny when Brits joke about how America has no culture. What is British culture in the 21st century? - getting drunk in 'bars' - Premiership football - obsessing over property and interior design - buying goods to boost ones 'status' That is it. Spot on Edited September 3, 2006 by pioneer31 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pioneer31 Posted September 3, 2006 Share Posted September 3, 2006 (edited) The govt wants a nation of chavs because they know that scumbag thickos display predictable behaviour - they all do the same thing This, for me, is what defines a chav. No originality, just a flock of ill mannered sheep. Notice how they: All stick V's up at the camera All start smoking at the age of 6 All swear like troopers All pierce every part of their anatomy All dress like rap stars All have 'a no.1 all over' haircut All wear lots of rings and jewellry (even when they are still at school) All hang about outside the Co-op on Friday nights (gosh, how exciting) All drink from the 'can' - coz its hard! Controlling them is a walk in the park for any dictatorship Edited September 3, 2006 by pioneer31 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Pumpkin Posted September 3, 2006 Share Posted September 3, 2006 Folk music and real ale? I'll get me coat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Shedfish Posted September 3, 2006 Share Posted September 3, 2006 coarse fishing recognition silhouettes home made bagpipes blue john mines mad jack churchill morris dancing jam objects of desire... (hopefuly this'll flip the page so i don't have to see the pissed bloke in the burberry twin set again..) didn't work.... rope taunting the pie swimming the channel covered in lard lard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diddad Posted September 3, 2006 Share Posted September 3, 2006 I could add pages to this discussion, so many interesting issues have been touched on. Instead I'll go for bullet points - * Chavs, fascinating........... They know they are in the cr*pper - cr*p jobs or cr*p benefits, cr*p housing/schooling, cr*p social life, cr*p diet, cr*p prospects. They seem to have lost any real relationship with the rest of society, certainly any mutually beneficial relationship, and just fling themselves into a hedonistic orgy of trying to outdo other chavs. They strut around town centres trying to outdo each other - how much branded sportswear they can wear at once, their cr*p tattoos, piercings, gold jewellery, alcohol etc. How can a civilised nation have so many people who aspire to the lowest common denominator of lifestyles. Incredible and what a powerful indicator of how rotten this country is. * New Labour. I was 13 in 1979 when Thatcher came to power. I waited all those long (18) years for Labour to get in because I was from a naturally Labour voting background and I REALLY wanted to see if they could make a difference. I think the fact that they have come into power and been more like New Tory than New Labour is the nightmare scenario. How many people are like me now, wanting to vote for all the right reasons - like the fact we can vote - but knowing how futile the whole process is because in reality the electorate is powerless to change anything. * As someone else has said, where the hell does all the money go? It seems to me this country should have a world-class standard of living but unfortunately all those hard earned tax pounds just end up down the friggin toilet. It's strange because we hear huge figures bandied about every single day but when you sit down and actually THINK about the figures..... £800 million on the Dome (eight hundred million pounds), £3 billion on the war in Iraq (three BILLION pounds) etc etc. F*CK ME, whoever is spending figures like that SHOULD BE more answerable for their decisions. It is truly obscene that self serving, slippery chancers like Prescott can be in charge of the lives of millions and be utterly unanswerable to anyone. * Unfortunately I feel there has been a fundamental breakdown in the way many people now preceive our welfare system. For many years probably up to about 15 years ago people generally worked hard and contributed to the welfare state, thus felt some entitlement to the benefits of the system when they needed it. At some point that link seems to have been broken and now huge numbers of people seem to think the system owes them everything whether they have contributed to the system or not. It's become a free for all and those with no social conscience or charm seem to be able to get the pick of the crop. I could go on but maybe another day. Suffice to say I really dislike this society and what it has become. I worry about what sort of future my daughter will face and god alone knows what it's going to be like in 25 years when I reach the age of 'retirement' - ha, ha, ha! Anyone been to Switzerland? I'm not saying it's nirvana but puts this country to utter utter utter shame. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest AuntJess Posted September 3, 2006 Share Posted September 3, 2006 I also would like to congratulate fred on a sizzling opening post! I hail from the North west and I agree that a lot of it IS a dump. Stockport... Salford.. as I have worked in both places and found them amazingly depressing. One girl I knew used to travel in from Sheffield to study in Salford and she hated it. Went home every weekend! I checked on a census rating a while ago, and the different boroughs throughout the country (354 of them) are rated for deprivation with 1 the most deprived and 354 utopia. Manchester is ranked at 2.....2! If memory serves, out of the top 50 worst areas, 3/4 were in the North West. I feel bound to point out tho' that the Ribble Valley, Lakes and the Peak District take some beating. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hankdd Posted September 4, 2006 Share Posted September 4, 2006 Ian Dury wrote a song callled "blockheads" in 1977. It is on "new boots and panties " (the only things he would not buy in a second hand shop) I loosely quote "you must have seen parties of blockheads with blotched and lagered skin ....what a terible state they are in" he finishes with "we are all just blockheads to" My point being this angst is nothing new. We can always look around and see negative shit. Just remember ordinary folk are generally decent and hard working, their modest contributions dont make the headlines as they are not excelling or hurting. Get out and meet people they might suprise you with their modest decency- it still exsists. If you are so down, join something, help others make a difference, change things. There is no great plan, or conspiracy, just a lot of grotty little compromises, people trying to get by. Make a differnece and cheer up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diddad Posted September 4, 2006 Share Posted September 4, 2006 Ian Dury wrote a song callled "blockheads" in 1977. It is on "new boots and panties " (the only things he would not buy in a second hand shop) I loosely quote "you must have seen parties of blockheads with blotched and lagered skin ....what a terible state they are in" he finishes with "we are all just blockheads to" My point being this angst is nothing new. We can always look around and see negative shit. Just remember ordinary folk are generally decent and hard working, their modest contributions dont make the headlines as they are not excelling or hurting. Get out and meet people they might suprise you with their modest decency- it still exsists. If you are so down, join something, help others make a difference, change things. There is no great plan, or conspiracy, just a lot of grotty little compromises, people trying to get by. Make a differnece and cheer up Of course, there are always things you can do and there are always lovely, amazing people as well as the nasty ones. However, there has been a shift in recent years. The baddies are getting away with more and more erosion of the standards of decent people. In turn decent people are not getting the support of the government, judicary and police that they have generally relied upon to keep the hoardes at bay. Rome is burning and the state is fiddling! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
northern numpty Posted September 4, 2006 Share Posted September 4, 2006 To Tony's cronies. We've had nine years of economic looting by NuLab, stealing money from the middle class to give to chavs, 'safety camera partnerships' and 'diversity consultants'. Not arguing with that....but why is it the middle class thats carried the costing.....who are the working class paying for? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laurejon Posted September 4, 2006 Share Posted September 4, 2006 I agree, there is no such thing as the middle classes. Anyone who works for a living is working class in my book. And every single one of them is paying for something they are unlikely to ever get the benefit of. Roll on the elections, and hopefully Roll on a new political party that has the balls to tackle the real issues we see today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hankdd Posted September 4, 2006 Share Posted September 4, 2006 (edited) Of course, there are always things you can do and there are always lovely, amazing people as well as the nasty ones. However, there has been a shift in recent years. The baddies are getting away with more and more erosion of the standards of decent people. In turn decent people are not getting the support of the government, judicary and police that they have generally relied upon to keep the hoardes at bay. Rome is burning and the state is fiddling! No! the state fiddles and Gordon Burns, sorry! I can understand the feeling hard work is not rewarded or property protected. I just dont like the simplistic labelling of Chavs etc. ( that has become prevelant on this site. ) as the root of our problems. Also there seems tro be a view that we used to live in a "heartbeat" rural arcadia. Sentimental b~~~t Social mobility has halted. We are not using the potential of all of our citizens, are they just lazy? that would be an easy answer. The rulling classes were humbled during two world wars, why were these people they had feared and reviled so bloody decent and willing to live in shit and leg it at machine guns? the present ruling class ( most people with a big house bought before 01-02) have raised a bunch of elitist chauffered small minded prigs who look down in contempt on anyone who does not have en -suite and 9 cars in the drive. If you want to get sentimental about the past and its values address the contempt for the working class , respect cuts both ways. Edited September 4, 2006 by hankdd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laurejon Posted September 4, 2006 Share Posted September 4, 2006 The Chavs of today are the net result of the liberal values of yesterday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hankdd Posted September 4, 2006 Share Posted September 4, 2006 (edited) The Chavs of today are the net result of the liberal values of yesterday. which ones? Ps sorry about the BNP bollocking, that belonged to another thread I am new Edited September 4, 2006 by hankdd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diddad Posted September 4, 2006 Share Posted September 4, 2006 http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/5310016.stm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laurejon Posted September 4, 2006 Share Posted September 4, 2006 which ones?Ps sorry about the BNP bollocking, that belonged to another thread I am new Those Chavs we see today, are the product of the ex pot smoking flower power, free love, generation of teachers and social workers of yesteryear. Even the Cabinet and the Prime Minister are the ex pot smoking hippies. Every Civilisation that has been decimated, can attribute its demise to liberal values. Today we live a lifestyle that was built by Giants, the industrial revolution, innovation, true sacrifice, all from our ancestors of yesteryear. People talk about the Empire, how wrong it was for England to do such a thing, they neglect to mention the British Workers and Servicemen that made it all possible. In todays society looking back it was a mistake, but surely we can learn from it. Why on earth we are party to yet another empirical encarnation thinly disguised under the veil of Globalisation I just cannot understand. To say it is going to end in tears is a gross understatement, its going to be apocoliptic on a grand scale. Yet we ridicule their way of life, we think we are better, wiser, and more advanced. Yet in reality we fail in the simplest of tasks for the preservation of mankind. And that task is to learn from history, learn from past mistakes, and go forward by looking back. Its obvious when you think about it, but we miss it each and every time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hankdd Posted September 4, 2006 Share Posted September 4, 2006 Those Chavs we see today, are the product of the ex pot smoking flower power, free love, generation of teachers and social workers of yesteryear. Even the Cabinet and the Prime Minister are the ex pot smoking hippies. Every Civilisation that has been decimated, can attribute its demise to liberal values. Today we live a lifestyle that was built by Giants, the industrial revolution, innovation, true sacrifice, all from our ancestors of yesteryear. People talk about the Empire, how wrong it was for England to do such a thing, they neglect to mention the British Workers and Servicemen that made it all possible. In todays society looking back it was a mistake, but surely we can learn from it. Why on earth we are party to yet another empirical encarnation thinly disguised under the veil of Globalisation I just cannot understand. To say it is going to end in tears is a gross understatement, its going to be apocoliptic on a grand scale. Yet we ridicule their way of life, we think we are better, wiser, and more advanced. Yet in reality we fail in the simplest of tasks for the preservation of mankind. And that task is to learn from history, learn from past mistakes, and go forward by looking back. Its obvious when you think about it, but we miss it each and every time. I think the tory childrens act ,although laudible in many ways, handed a lot of power and no responsibility to the young. Communities are unable to police themselves the young have become untouchable. Add to this the decimation of the industrial base in the70's and 80's were entire communities lost their reason to exsist, the vacuum was filled by crime and drug dealing . In other words communities watched in horror as their areas became hell holes all the levers they had to socialise and contain their decent lives had vanished. The majority of people in terrible areas are still decent and despair at the lack of censure for violent lawless gangs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OverInflated Posted September 4, 2006 Share Posted September 4, 2006 What is a Chav? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DabHand Posted September 4, 2006 Share Posted September 4, 2006 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chav Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OLDFTB Posted September 4, 2006 Share Posted September 4, 2006 I have just got back from Florida. I am amazed at how clean the place is. Is it a swear free zone? Didn't hear a single cuss word in public the whole time i was there. And the people are friendly and helpful. Wherever i stopped, garages, 7-11's etc, they were always helpful.Hispanics, black Americans, all creeds and colours.Even the immigration staff were not the ogres they are made out to be. And customer service with a capital "C"! Puts us to shame and really makes you think doesn't it? Whats happening to our country folks? My Dad was one of the wartime generation. Just before he passed away, in 2002,I remember him expressing his dismay at how his beloved country had turned out and the way politicians have let down generations of our people. I can still see the tears in his eyes as he told me his feelings . An archetypal northerner & a strong man all his life and not often given to expressing his emotions. It made me so upset and ashamed that his country had let him & his generation down so badly. And it made me fear for my childrens future and quality of life. I wonder if we can ever turn it around and make things more bearable again. Whats the answer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GCS15 Posted September 4, 2006 Share Posted September 4, 2006 I have just got back from Florida. I am amazed at how clean the place is. Is it a swear free zone? Didn't hear a single cuss word in public the whole time i was there. And the people are friendly and helpful. Wherever i stopped, garages, 7-11's etc, they were always helpful.Hispanics, black Americans, all creeds and colours.Even the immigration staff were not the ogres they are made out to be. And customer service with a capital "C"! My Dad was one of the wartime generation. Just before he passed away, in 2002,I remember him expressing his dismay at how his beloved country had turned out and the way politicians have let down generations of our people. I can still see the tears in his eyes as he told me his feelings . An archetypal northerner & a strong man all his life and not often given to expressing his emotions. It made me so upset and ashamed that his country had let him & his generation down so badly. And it made me fear for my childrens future and quality of life. I wonder if we can ever turn it around and make things more bearable again. Whats the answer? Americans UNDERSTAND about customer service. UK has no idea. One generation builds it up, the next rides the good times but contribute nothing, the third generation model themselves on the second and the whole thing collapses. Gen-Y are our next hope. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Shedfish Posted September 4, 2006 Share Posted September 4, 2006 (edited) One generation builds it up, the next rides the good times but contribute nothing, the third generation model themselves on the second and the whole thing collapses. a bit like pop music (duck) Edited September 4, 2006 by Shedfish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Shedfish Posted September 4, 2006 Share Posted September 4, 2006 ...Cheese rolling Steam powered aircraft Potato growing competitions (won by one of two families, since Danelaw) SubBurberry (see torpor in Taupe, or Beige rage) Octopus' Garden Centres Gristle The Clangers... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Shedfish Posted September 5, 2006 Share Posted September 5, 2006 (edited) sorry oldFTB, a valid point. didn't read it properly, and didn't mean to walk all over it Edited September 5, 2006 by Shedfish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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