athom Posted October 22, 2023 Author Share Posted October 22, 2023 17 minutes ago, anonguest said: You still can't distinguish between an individual, possibly partially drunk, thug acting on his own volition and a government organised Hi literally had an armed army person guarding him. If the Palestinians had dealt with the settler they'd have been shot dead by the Israeli government goon. But thats not government sanctioned? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anonguest Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, MerchantNavy said: Not going to quote your post as it contains a graphic image. Hurt your feelings did it? Hate looking at reality and seeing dead people killed by Hamas - who you can't bring yourself to say need to be punished for their atrocity. 2 hours ago, MerchantNavy said: There is no denying, harming civilians is completely wrong. Israel has been doing it for decades. Israel has already killed 4000, including 1700 children in past two weeks. Yeah. And every single one of them was just out shopping and minding their own business when they got gunned down by a rampaging horde of Israelis acting under instructions and guidance from the government 2 hours ago, MerchantNavy said: So my proposal to occupy both countries until an agreement is made stands. You're so delusional it's beyond belief! Edited October 22, 2023 by anonguest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zugzwang Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 Helmer: Countdown to Armageddon? https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2023/10/memo-on-the-final-solution-for-one-state-israel-or-palestine.html ... 10. The Arab state supporters of the two-state solution (including Fatah and the Palestine National Authority) cannot support it when Gaza is being liquidated by the Israel Defense Forces (IDF), supplied by the Pentagon. 11. President Joseph Biden’s (lead image) recent public remarks endorse Israel’s one-state solution, adding his personal religious benediction — “may God protect our troops”. Until he said that, Biden had limited himself to invoking God’s protection of “our troops” in speeches on the Afghanistan War in April 2021 and on the war against Russia in the Ukraine in February 2023. Before Biden, it was President George Bush Jr. who claimed God on the US side when he meant self-defence – “we will defend our freedom. We will bring freedom to others and we will prevail. May God bless our country and all who defend her.” With Biden the Christian, and Secretary of State Antony Blinken declaring himself Jewish in Israel, the war of Israel against Gaza is a theocratic one, a crusade. This is how it is understood now throughout the Muslim world. 12. According to God, therefore, there is only a one-state solution – it is either Palestine or Israel The current battlefield situation 13. On the Gaza front, Hamas has fought the IDF to a standstill outside the Gaza border wall. The Israel Air Force has dropped about 4,000 tonnes of bombs per week, 8,000 tonnes to October 21; that is more than the US Air Force dropped on Afghanistan in the peak year of 2019. More than 3,500 Palestinians have been killed so far, including at least 1,030 children and hundreds of family units; more than 12,500 people have been injured, one million Palestinians displaced, and thousands of homes destroyed. About 1,200 are missing believed to be trapped under the rubble. The Israeli and US government record, reported by the Institute for the Study of War (ISW) in Washington, documents the continuing firing from Gaza into Israeli territory in what the ISW calls its “Iran updates”. A prolonged IDF siege threatens to kill several hundred thousand Palestinians by starvation, dehydration, disease, and a combination of artillery and aerial bombardment, while leaving the Hamas forces relatively unscathed and waiting to inflict a higher rate of casualties on the IDF than it has ever experienced. 14. On the northern front across the Lebanon border, there have been exchanges of missile, drone, anti-tank rocket, artillery, and mortar fire between the IDF and Hezbollah. There have been casualties on both sides. Border settlements on the Israeli side have been evacuated to the south. For a summary of the ISW reports favouring Israel, read this; For maps and summaries of military action as of October 20 on the Gaza and northern fronts, as well as the Golan and West Bank, click to open. ... Armageddon strategy 17. US Afghanistan War veteran: “Suppose Israel and the US understand they are facing an existential survival future in which they must combat swarm attacks on three or four fronts — Gaza/Hamas, North/Hezbollah, Golan/Syria/Iran, and West Bank/Jordan, and they calculate the Arabs have at least a 30 to 60–day arms supply in stock, do they calculate they can withstand a multi-front offensive for enough time, resupplied by air from the US? If they calculate that they can withstand a 30-day multi-directional swarm, they must understand that, at a minimum, Israel’s infrastructure and economy will be ruined. In a scenario like that, even if they ‘win’, they lose. In terms of airlifting and shipping supplies, we’ve already seen that the Arabs can hit Israeli military and civilian airfields, airports and seaports. Defending Israeli infrastructure with their air defence capability is the main mission of the strike groups the US is deploying in the eastern Mediterranean and in the Red Sea. 18. Moscow source. “When does the threat to Israel become so dire, they go nuclear, and when they do, against what targets will they fire – Hamas, Beirut, Damascus, Teheran?* The US won’t accept a Palestinian state so the only option left for the Palestinians, Arabs, Iranians, possibly Turks is to fight with this new kind of warfare whose objective is to cut into the flesh and bones of the Israeli adversary, and make life in that state unviable. Without a Palestinian homeland, all of Israel and the Arab territories become a battlefield. The IDF options then shrink to two – carpet bombing and mass killing of the civilian population centres on all fronts at once. If that isn’t sustainable or effective for the Israeli-American purpose, then option 2 is to attack Lebanon, Syria and Iran to stop the flow of reinforcements. But that’s regional war, and it can only be conducted by the Israelis with full US military participation. This becomes nuclear very quickly because President Putin has already placed the Kinzhal missiles in range of the US carrier fleet in the eastern Mediterranean, and the Chinese have installed their screen to protect Iran. It’s obvious that the race hatred policies of Biden and Netanyahu, and their belief that God has chosen them both as destroyers for their people, lead to the final, nuclear weapons solution. The Russians and Chinese can maximise their limited military projection by deterring, or if need be pre-empting a nuclear attack on the Arab cities or Teheran. For this to work, the Russians and the Chinese need to say more – loudly so there’s no mistaking what they mean.” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anonguest Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, athom said: Hi literally had an armed army person guarding him. If the Palestinians had dealt with the settler they'd have been shot dead by the Israeli government goon. But thats not government sanctioned? She looks like 19-year old conscript - and was clearly not guarding him. His behaviour was reprehensible. But she would have been out of her depth if she had tried to restrain him physically without backup. Watch the video and you will see she attempts to engage with him and get him to talk to her. Conscripts like this are not trained or skilled to deal with defusing/handling situation like this - anymore than a UK squaddie would have likely been able to deal with such a situation here. If the soldiers are forced to get involved then that's when things inevitably get closer to the guns being used. That's what the police are for! Edited October 22, 2023 by anonguest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MerchantNavy Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 15 minutes ago, anonguest said: Hurt your feelings did it? Hate looking at reality and seeing dead people killed by Hamas - who you can't bring yourself to say need to be punished for their atrocity. Yeah. And every single one of them was just out shopping and minding their own business when they got gunned down by a rampaging horde of Israelis acting under instructions and guidance from the government You're so delusional it's beyond belief! It's not clever jumbling up different posts to suit your agenda. I already said I don't like civilians/innocents getting killed. Does not matter where they are from. Can you say the same? No, but they were at hospitals / refugee points / safety convoy (route advised by the IDF) which were then hit by Israel air strikes. You call it delusion only because the result you want everything given to Israel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MerchantNavy Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 (edited) A bit of confusion here. Looks like some posts may have been deleted? Anon is editing multiple. Edit: Yes definitely looks like admins are active as post with multiple links to Israel crimes has vanished. Edited October 22, 2023 by MerchantNavy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MerchantNavy Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 17 minutes ago, zugzwang said: a one-state solution – it is either Palestine or Israel What about neither? Unified as one country with neither Israel nor Palestine used as name. Temporarily occupy with UN peacekeepers until things settle. Nothing else is working. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zugzwang Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 7 minutes ago, MerchantNavy said: What about neither? Unified as one country with neither Israel nor Palestine used as name. Temporarily occupy with UN peacekeepers until things settle. Nothing else is working. That temporary occupation might be permanent. It's a better idea than anything else on the table. The UN would be helping already were it not for the US veto. https://theintercept.com/2023/10/21/security-council-veto-united-nations/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anonguest Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 (edited) 29 minutes ago, MerchantNavy said: looks like admins are active as post with multiple links to Israel crimes has vanished. 'Israel crimes'! IS that what you call pictures of Israelis slain by deranged Hamas terrorists?! Not 'Hamas crimes' because that would mean having to acknowledge their wrongdoing. Edited October 22, 2023 by anonguest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anonguest Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 (edited) 50 minutes ago, zugzwang said: That temporary occupation might be permanent. It's a better idea than anything else on the table. The UN would be helping already were it not for the US veto. https://theintercept.com/2023/10/21/security-council-veto-united-nations/ Super delusional. Edited October 22, 2023 by anonguest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anonguest Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 (edited) 44 minutes ago, MerchantNavy said: I already said I don't like civilians/innocents getting killed. And what about Hamas? How would you punish them? Edited October 22, 2023 by anonguest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
athom Posted October 22, 2023 Author Share Posted October 22, 2023 4 hours ago, anonguest said: She looks like 19-year old conscript - and was clearly not guarding him. His behaviour was reprehensible. But she would have been out of her depth if she had tried to restrain him physically without backup. Watch the video and you will see she attempts to engage with him and get him to talk to her. Conscripts like this are not trained or skilled to deal with defusing/handling situation like this - anymore than a UK squaddie would have likely been able to deal with such a situation here. If the soldiers are forced to get involved then that's when things inevitably get closer to the guns being used. That's what the police are for! ********. If the palestinian picked up a rock she would have pointed her gun at him and shouted an instruction. Don't tell me you think she's a little girl with no guts who they just gave a gun to for decoration. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anonguest Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 1 hour ago, athom said: ********. If the palestinian picked up a rock she would have pointed her gun at him and shouted an instruction. Don't tell me you think she's a little girl with no guts who they just gave a gun to for decoration. So you think she should have pointed her gun and threatened lethal force at the settler, who was doing nothing more than ranting and kicking over some baskets and generally being a yob? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anonguest Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 (edited) Another 'innocent' civilian. F*ck Around Find Out. Gaza Edition. Edited October 22, 2023 by anonguest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
athom Posted October 22, 2023 Author Share Posted October 22, 2023 8 minutes ago, anonguest said: Another 'innocent'. F*ck Around Find Out. Gaza Edition. you're so hasbara its not in any doubt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anonguest Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 (edited) 7 minutes ago, athom said: you're so hasbara its not in any doubt You're so stupid it's not in any doubt! If you're going to poke sticks at a bear don't complain when it bites your head off. Edited October 22, 2023 by anonguest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpeggio Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 The cover of The Economist 2012 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
athom Posted October 22, 2023 Author Share Posted October 22, 2023 6 minutes ago, Arpeggio said: The cover of The Economist 2012 But was it in the Simpsons? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
athom Posted October 22, 2023 Author Share Posted October 22, 2023 haha the stupid israelis have ******ed themselves. https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/hezbollah-risks-dragging-lebanon-war-which-will-be-mistake-its-life-netanyahu They bombed all the buildings facing Israel and made the ground impossible for them to get over without being sitting ducks. Couldn't make it up. By bombing they turned the buildings into tank traps. 2 bulldozers and a tank taken out today and the surviving Israelis had to run back on foot. First invasion going well then. Thats why they haven't done it yet, they're not able to. Twats The problem is mentioned here but its fairly obvious when you think about it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord D'arcy Pew Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 Hamas's useful idiots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
athom Posted October 24, 2023 Author Share Posted October 24, 2023 2 hours ago, Lord D'arcy Pew said: Hamas's useful idiots. They make themselves out to be thinkers but then are clearly just biased propagandists. Apologist for zionist terrorism. Farcical. Anyone who doesn't unquestioningly parrot Israel's is a useful idiot. Goes on about isis again and again every few seconds as though determined to make people think they are linked. To say zionists are baby killers makes you a nazi? Even though thousands of children have been killed in gaza already even without the hospital bombing... any questioning of them killing children makes you a historical jew hating nazi who wants to kill all jews. DUCKING hell what a stinking pile of shity propaganda. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord D'arcy Pew Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 47 minutes ago, athom said: They make themselves out to be thinkers but then are clearly just biased propagandists. Apologist for zionist terrorism. Farcical. Anyone who doesn't unquestioningly parrot Israel's is a useful idiot. Goes on about isis again and again every few seconds as though determined to make people think they are linked. To say zionists are baby killers makes you a nazi? Even though thousands of children have been killed in gaza already even without the hospital bombing... any questioning of them killing children makes you a historical jew hating nazi who wants to kill all jews. DUCKING hell what a stinking pile of shity propaganda. Do you have a script, or make this up as you go along? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zugzwang Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, athom said: They make themselves out to be thinkers but then are clearly just biased propagandists. Apologist for zionist terrorism. Farcical. Anyone who doesn't unquestioningly parrot Israel's is a useful idiot. Goes on about isis again and again every few seconds as though determined to make people think they are linked. To say zionists are baby killers makes you a nazi? Even though thousands of children have been killed in gaza already even without the hospital bombing... any questioning of them killing children makes you a historical jew hating nazi who wants to kill all jews. DUCKING hell what a stinking pile of shity propaganda. Spiked magazine! So-called because it should have been. House organ of the UnConservative Party. Here it is in an earlier incarnation. Edited October 24, 2023 by zugzwang Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MerchantNavy Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 1 hour ago, Lord D'arcy Pew said: Do you have a script, or make this up as you go along? It was a clear response to your link. Is there an actual thought out response going to make it's way? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
athom Posted October 24, 2023 Author Share Posted October 24, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, zugzwang said: Spiked magazine! So-called because it should have been. House organ of the UnConservative Party. Here it is in an earlier incarnation. ha I didn't know that and looking at the wiki page "The magazine attracted attention for denying both the Rwandan genocide and Bosnian genocide....it ceased publication in March 2000 following a successful libel lawsuit brought by ITN over Living Marxism's criticism of ITN's coverage of the Bosnian war." denying the genocide "It was promptly resurrected as Spiked," and set about ignoring the Gazan genocide Edited October 24, 2023 by athom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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